Saturday Salon (Centennial edition!)

Yes, folks, this is the hundredth Saturday Salon thread.

(An open thread where, at your weekend leisure, you can discuss anything you like.)

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  1. 1 Enemy CombatantNo Gravatar

    Cazart! Happy ton,all.

  2. 2 Bruce Over at the GarageNo Gravatar

    Townsville Rorts

    You know I really feel sorry for those nieve loonies in the ALP Left when fat lazy bores like the AWU’s David “Piggy” Mather are able to squander ratepayers’ funds on their own promotion when he is also a candidate in the ballot for ALP State Conference delegates.

    Is it conscionable for the Mooney PR machine and the over-paid Dolan Hayes, Tony Wode, Todd Barr etc., to permit these types of despicable self-promotion? What a rort!

    Responsible use of ratepayers’ funds? Don’t bother it’s a rhetorical question!

    No wonder the Townsville City Council gets a one star rating!

    Glossy 4 page newsletter (?) distributed in Mundingburra during State Conference delegate ballot period on 16 May 2007.

    Never mind about amalgamation, what about accountability?

    Bruce Over at the Garage

  3. 3 Terry Down The RoadNo Gravatar

    Bruce, what are you yabbering about?

  4. 4 BearCaveNo Gravatar

    Hello. This following attempt to link is a test to see if I’m linking correctly:

    link

  5. 5 BearCaveNo Gravatar

    Rodney Croome’s gay advocate blog brought a newspaper article to my
    attention that was all about the history of gay characters on
    Television. You can read the article here:

    link

    The article mentions an important time in the late 1990s for gay characters in which “The successful sitcom made gay characters more acceptable and accessible. No longer were they just the comic relief, the victim, or the bad guy; they were allowed to have light and shade.”

    Yet it was in the early 1990s that I had my first experience of seeing a gay character on TV. This was a time when gay characters were far less acceptable and accessible, yet I happened to be watching this one episode of a sitcom called “Wings” I never even regularly watched.

    Abraham Benrubi made a guest appearance as the gay son of Roy (David Schramm). This meant the gay character was a young bear (big guy), with Benrubi having also played a young Dan Connor in a Halloween flashback on “Roseanne” about the same time as the Wings appearance.

    My experience of coming to terms with my own sexuality was a very lonely one, a contrast to the experience of Benrubi’s character, so this highly unusual episode of an unfamiliar comedy series I just happened to catch one day when I was 14 or 15 years old was effectively the first time a feeling of isolation was replaced by a feeling of hope.

    I remember feeling a loss when I tuned in to Wings the next week to find the gay character wasn’t in it. Benrubi’s character presented enough light and shade in a way that he seemed real and believable to me in an instant, despite that my own experience until then had felt like all shade and no light.

    The following is a newsgroup article I wrote in 2005, addressing related themes:

    link

    …From Justin

  6. 6 BearCaveNo Gravatar

    Looks like I may have try once more to give you that link about the history of gay characters on Television, in regards to the article above.

    link

  7. 7 Christine KeelerNo Gravatar

    Oh well, it looks like at least one Beluchistan columnist has decided on studying a curriculum different to that dished up by the rag’s Pundit Masterclass. Matt Price, after apparently having been given a severe belting by the reality bullies, mentions the unmentionable: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21755954-12854,00.html

    Howard was pitiful on The 7.30 Report this week. It’s very rare for the PM to exit an interview in worse shape than when he entered. Howard, usually at his sharpest when under siege, never meanders through these routine verbal exchanges. He’s usually strategic, purposeful and on message.

    This time the PM appeared gobsmacked by the batch of awful early post-budget polls. Let’s be charitable and assume the quip about people merely joshing with pollsters about their voting intentions was a lame attempt at humour. Otherwise, Howard put in an untypically blathering performance that left the impression of a Prime Minister flustered, frustrated and bamboozled by the turning political tide.

    Oh really? Pray, do continue:

    People may not be waiting impatiently on their front verandas armed with baseball bats, but brutal bludgeoning isn’t the only path to political mortality. Slow suffocation can be just as lethal.

    In politics, as in life, everybody hurts … sometimes.

    Meanwhile Paul Kelly, this week writing under the pseudonym “George Megalogenis”, serves up another turgid analysis of flyblown chicken entrails http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21755953-7583,00.html . The evidence of superior intelligence is all there: “existential dread”, “matrix”, “structural adjustment”, “obvious contradictions.”

    Musn’t forget Shazza’s Famous Tea-leaf Readings: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21756389-17301,00.html

    THE Liberal Party’s leadership succession is as settled as it will ever be. Peter Costello will take over after the next election, win or lose, without a serious challenge.

    Cossie PM? Well that’s certainly likely to put the punters minds at ease. As if he’s going to stick around for more than two seconds if they lose and the rest of the them won’t be going each other like a pack of starving dogs fighting over a dead wombat.

    But really, the true quality of the paper’s analytical arsenal is only fully revealed via Christopher Pearson who declares that Labor will lose because Gillard and Combet are communist stooges and the ABC showed Bastard Boys last week. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21755274-7583,00.html

    Go figure.

  8. 8 Lefty ENo Gravatar

    Cripes!

  9. 9 steveNo Gravatar

    Seeing the Howard Government has now become the number two advertisement creator in Australia, how long would it take to raise money to counter one of their ads?

    More correctly, the abuse of taxpayers funds to help the Liberal party has made the Howard Government the second biggest creator of ads in Australia but thankfully some of the propaganda is being opposed by generous people.

  10. 10 steveNo Gravatar

    What happened to the last person who refused to lie for the Howard Government.

  11. 11 BilBNo Gravatar

    Difference of viewpoint.

    “If you are in trouble anywhere in the world, an airplane can fly over and drop flowers, but a helicopter can land and save your life.” — Igor Sikorsky, 1947

    “However, a helicopter having the inherent aerodynamic quality of an anvil, some of its incredibly busy vital parts will eventually fly off, and uncompromising gravity will take over from there. Then an airplane can fly over and drop flowers.” — W Zeckendorf, 2002

    “Building Nuclear Power stations in Australia, the land of solar abundance, is like giving a healthy person triple heart bypass surgery simply because the operation is technically interesting and because a healthy person has excellent recovery prospects.” – WPB, 2007

  12. 12 anthonyNo Gravatar

    Get off it BilB. Everybody knows that planes blow goats.

  13. 13 Lefty ENo Gravatar

    Yes, CK, I thought Pricey might be the first HFG to withdraw the straw.

  14. 14 skepticlawyerNo Gravatar

    LP (and some other blogs and bloggers) got a nice write-up in today’s Age.

  15. 15 BilBNo Gravatar

    Anthony, what does “planes blow goats” mean?

  16. 16 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    And Malcom Farr is upset at Mcleod’s Daughters for going Left :-)

    THE industrial relations battle has reached soapie scripts, with conflict over workplace deals featuring in McLeod’s Daughters.

    The latest episode of the Channel 9 soap has Phil the mayor sacking young Patrick at the garage so he can rehire him on a “workplace agreement”.

    Phil says it involves a new title of assistant manager, more flexibility, more responsibility.

    “Less money,” snaps Patrick in the episode shown Wednesday night. “Much less money.”

    Patrick is not impressed by the promise of more pay through bonuses for hard work and rejects the workplace agreement.

    “Well it’s not actually your choice,” says Phil. “It’s either my way . . .”

    “I’ll take the highway,” says Patrick. “I quit.”

    There is no direct mention of Australian Workplace Agreements (AWAs), which Labor wants to abolish, or of the Government’s WorkChoices laws.

    However the scene sounds like a Labor Party advertisement against Government workplace laws.

    http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21753234-5005368,00.html

  17. 17 AlanNo Gravatar

    Bruce Over at the Garage, I get the impression that the Townsville City Council, or someone associated with it, did something to annoy you.

    If you would describe what happened and why you disapprove, in a logical sequence of grammatically correct sentences, we might be able to understand your point.

    This or this could assist you.

  18. 18 suzNo Gravatar

    Justin, thanks for the link. For those of us who are much older than you, it’s funny to hear that in the early 90s you thought there weren’t many gay characters around. Gay Liberation was already 20 years old by then!

  19. 19 Christine KeelerNo Gravatar

    It’s hilarious isn’t it Frank? I imagine Jokin’ Joe’s been on the blower to the poohbahs at PBL fulminating that he should be given equal time to dress up in a The Law Formerly Known As Work Choices outfit, and bust into the workshop declaring “Mr Employer, you can’t do that! Ours system is all about fairness!”

    To which Mr E replies “Listen mate, I don’t know who you are but my lawyers have been through this with a fine-tooth comb and they say it’s watertight. Why don’t you just piss off?”

  20. 20 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    Yep, It is rather ironic that the Packer Propagandists have taken this line of attack – especially after toadying with Howard over the GST.

    I believe one of the main writers on Mcleod’s Daughters is former Suburban Boy Dave Warner – a well known leftie :-)

    Oh and speaking of Stoushes Christine, have you been following the Stoush between McGinty & The West – about time someone got stuck into that pile of crap which makes the Beluchistan Bugle seem objective :-)

  21. 21 Christine KeelerNo Gravatar

    I’ve been following it very closely Frank. How did Teh Waste report it?

  22. 22 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    Teh Waste have gone on the attack and bringing in Paul Murray to do a hatchet job on Carpenter by accusing him of being a Clandestine AKP Member when Carps was at the ABC.

    Also the letters pages published more pro West than anti letters, of which one supporting The West was frm Piers Akkerman of all people. Plus they’ve got Mark “Harry Potter” Olsen accusing Neale Fong of being a “Part-Time Health Chief”.

    I have this theory that The West’s attacks go up a geor or three whenever they run one of their “Win X cars in X Weeks competitions.

    And of course they’re cheering Howard no end, and one of their dodgy “Westpolls” is also Howard Frindly, considering they only interviewed 409 people – most likely the West’s Staff and selected people from the LIberal Party Membership list :-)

  23. 23 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    Teh Waste have gone on the attack and bringing in Paul Murray to do a hatchet job on Carpenter by accusing him of being a Clandestine AKP Member when Carps was at the ABC.

    That should read ALP – not AKP – damn K & L keys being next to each other.

  24. 24 TimNo Gravatar

    Hey comrades,

    I’m gearing up for the lib/big business media blitz. Will Labour weather the storm? I hope they can do it without further compromise to the lib/business agenda.

    And now for the,

    ‘Burban Report.

    A new third world is brewing and bubbling here in the outer suburbs, this area has missed the boom like farmers have missed the rain. Rising rental costs, drought induced food costs, crazy feul costs. Us have nots are restive and things will get yukky come another liberal federal term.

  25. 25 Laura on the couchNo Gravatar

    My god, will someone please make Mark Davis a nice hot cup of stfu?

    Honestly. LAME. I blame the Age for encouraging him.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/general/its-time-to-shut-up/2007/05/17/1178995321422.html

  26. 26 Christine KeelerNo Gravatar

    My thoughts exactly Laura. I thought it was load of lightweight twaddle ten years ago. My opinion hasn’t improved with time. ‘Me! Pick me! It’s my turn to be the gatekeeper!’ FFS.

  27. 27 Ken ScottNo Gravatar

    Yairs, could have done with a snip and a tuck. I reckon a 300 word caption piece with a nice pic of Bananas in Pyjamas. On page 114. Skeptic is just too tender-hearted.

    Christine reminds me of Talmudic scholars the way she reads The Wendistanian from start to finish. Paul Kelly, believes his own bullshit, and is a pompous twit who, unlike his musical namesake, is irrelevant. He’s given, wrongly, prominence on Insiders. (But then so are Bolt and Akkers.) Denis… joke. And then there is Christopher Pearson. Why do you do it to yourself CK?

  28. 28 Gummo TrotskyNo Gravatar

    Careful folks – he might be reading us (after all we did get a menshun at the end).

    Let’s not blow our chances of getting Larvatus Prodeo – the Anthology published if he does get to be the Gatekeeper. I mean jeebers, are you people crazy?

    Don’t think the White Spiral is going to go over in print though.

  29. 29 genevieveNo Gravatar

    Laura, you have beaten me to it. Amen. One hopes he will have slightly more to say when he addresses the EWF. Not much of a warm up though.

    I would have thought a prof of editing and writing could set up his own mag if he wanted to give teh younger ‘generations’ more of a run. Being a cusp boomer and all, as he is.

  30. 30 Pavlov's Cat in the LitterboxNo Gravatar

    I saw and heard Morag Fraser, one of Davis’s prime targets from the outset, say all that stuff at the end (about the need for getting past the generational generalisation and uniting against the real adversaries and so on) directly to him on a platform they were both on at some forum or other … ten years ago. I wonder what she’ll think when she reads that.

  31. 31 BerniceNo Gravatar

    Re the white spiral – you have it on the inside of the back cover, as a cut-out with a brass pin securing it in the middle, but allowing it to spin. & one of those truly annoying press the button sound boxes to bleat the hypnotic trance. Easy. I look forward to the The LP Anthology Vol 1 – try BlackInc. reckon Morrie would be up for it.

  32. 32 skepticlawyerNo Gravatar

    Catallaxy’s take is here (v. brief, mainly in the comments). FTR I like Davis, although he is economically illiterate.

  33. 33 Enemy CombatantNo Gravatar

    Ring Master Paul McDermott hit his straps in The Sideshow tonight. The Kransky Sisters, Flacco, and the Umbilical Brothers all delivered top schtick. Best act was The Strong Woman with Miss Ogeny and their “Bikini” performance. Bloody sensational.

  34. 34 KimNo Gravatar

    Miss Ogeny

    That’s Christa Hughes, EC. Formerly of Machine Gun Fellatio.

    http://www.christahughes.net/bio.htm

  35. 35 BerniceNo Gravatar

    Did anyone read Hitchens essay in SMH’s Spectrum? It’s getting so you can’t swing a proverbial without whacking an atheist. & after that noice little Page Three spread about warm fuzzy groovey christians too… I think its called editorial balance. Or advertorial arse covering. & Mr Hitchens, its not Dennett who invented the term Brights:
    “The term “bright” is a recent coinage by two brights in Sacramento, Calif., who thought our social group — which has a history stretching back to the Enlightenment, if not before — could stand an image-buffing and that a fresh name might help. Don’t confuse the noun with the adjective: “I’m a bright” is not a boast but a proud avowal of an inquisitive world view.”

    Go register – you know you want to.

  36. 36 ZarquonNo Gravatar

    LP hasn’t done a Sunday video for a while so watch listen to Feist and the very catchy tune 1234 co-written with Sally Seltmann (New Buffalo)

  37. 37 Spaminated ZarquonNo Gravatar

    Can I has cheezburger my post back?

  38. 38 BrianNo Gravatar

    Done, Zarquon.

  39. 39 Enemy CombatantNo Gravatar

    Ta, Kim. Christa Hughes is now on my Must-See-Live radar.

  40. 40 KimNo Gravatar

    No probs, EC.

    Zarquon, it may not have been on a Sunday but you haven’t been paying attention!

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/04/16/feisty/

  41. 41 ZarquonNo Gravatar

    Darn, well then check out the re-formed Honeys (from Perth, originally) at http://www.myspace.com/thehoneysband and their new album Star Baby

  42. 42 the amazing kimNo Gravatar

    Miss Ogeny

    That’s Christa Hughes, EC. Formerly of Machine Gun Fellatio.

    Oh noooooes! My favourite little-recognised not-truly-appreciated artist!

    I once saw Christa perform a support for the Dresden Dolls in their most recent tour. She wore a sequined bathing suit, and managed to erotically grate carrots. Her finale consisted of singing full volume then downing a full glass of beer and gargling the same song backwards. What a lady…

  43. 43 zarquonNo Gravatar

    Christa Hughes also has a gig with Circus Oz.

  44. 44 AndycNo Gravatar

    The amazing kim:
    “I once saw Christa perform a support for the Dresden Dolls in their most recent tour…”

    That wasn’t the Dolls’ most recent tour. They were back last September. More brilliant support acts (Red Paintings from Brisvegas, Jason Webley from Seattle). Hired Kurzweill keyboard in Melbourne screwed up again, but depressed Amanda less this time. My belief was reconfirmed that the Dolls do the best rendition of “War Pigs” by anyone, ever.

    Anyway: yes. Christa as KK was absolutely awesome on stage. Will see her again.

  45. 45 Christine KeelerNo Gravatar

    Heh. This is a bit redolent of Paul Keating’s desk: http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21762781-949,00.html

    PRIME Minister John Howard has splurged nearly $20 million of taxpayer funds maintaining two residences, according to leaked research.

    Mr Howard chose early in his prime ministership to live mainly at Kirribilli House on Sydney Harbour, despite the extra cost, instead of the Lodge in Canberra.

    A study of figures from the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet and from the Senate has revealed Mr Howard has spent $18.4 million since 1996 maintaining both residences.

    Big-ticket items include a security upgrade at Kirribilli costing $386,500 and $1.18 million in gardening costs between 1998 and 2004.

    On average, the PM has spent more than $1.5 million a year on the residences.

    Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd has promised to live at the Lodge if he wins the federal poll this year.

    A spokesman for Mr Rudd, whose office analysed the figures, said yesterday: “Kevin would not keep an open house at Kirribilli. But he would keep his Brisbane home, although that’s not a matter for taxpayers.”

    Other major expenses incurred by Mr Howard and his wife Janette include:
    # $161,000 air-conditioning upgrade for the Lodge.

    # $1.18m in gardening costs for both residences between 1998 and 2004.

    # $101,272 for a refurbished Lodge dining room.

    # $24,103 for new first-floor air conditioning at Kirribilli.

    # $82,000 for a 20-seat table and 20 chairs at Kirribilli. This includes 10 horsehair chairs, worth $45,000, as well as 10 replicas, worth $15,000.

  46. 46 Ken ScottNo Gravatar

    I wonder how many arseholes sitting down to dinner at Kirribilli could tell the difference between (firm) foam rubber and horsehair?

  47. 47 Gummo TrotskyNo Gravatar

    Real horsehair for the blokes perhaps, foam rubber for the sheilas, whose delicate bums can’t take genuine Victorian furniture?

  48. 48 Christine KeelerNo Gravatar

    I think the question is, Ken, would the arseholes know which end was up?

  49. 49 BilBNo Gravatar

    I think that you are grasping at straws to try to tear down Howard by looking at the upkeep of 2 of Australia’s premium historic properties. Properties that the government is duty bound to maintain any way. However despicable the person is, Australia’s leader requires premesis fitting the stature of the position. I do not begrudge Howard the cost of his accomodation. There are far to many other things to despise him for.

  50. 50 Christine KeelerNo Gravatar

    Don’t complain to me. The Sunday Times was the one wot published it.

  51. 51 BerniceNo Gravatar

    Christine – did it say what the hell the chairs were? That’s a very very expensive set of chairs – could do you a set of 8 Hepplewhites for say $6500, including delivery ex the States….

  52. 52 Ken ScottNo Gravatar

    I might as well say it: I do begrudge Howard the cost of his accommodation. It shits me to tears. If he, or Jeanette more likely, didn’t like chairs, what’s wrong with sending Jeeves down to Ikea? 60 big ones for table and chairs? And what about the half a mil for the Gulfstream to bring back the Hapless Hicksie? They’ll probably send Terry the bill. Mahmoud got a ride back on one as well. (I note Dave has come back in an orange jumpsuit flanked by four hulking seccos to be locked up with father and sister rapers. If he’s THAT dangerous what’s gonna happen when they release him into the commyoonity in December. But I digress.)

  53. 53 joe2No Gravatar

    So what has happened to the Chesterfields since johny went so la de da?
    Bet they went out to the ‘billi veranda, for the kids and are now spoilt by the rain.
    We could have looked after a set here.

  54. 54 pabloNo Gravatar

    I don’t know whether it is my sensitivity to things like terrorism, or fox hunting, but I just have to complain about the MSM using the word ‘blood’ as a verb, as in ‘the young Jarrod Mullens will be blooded into origin league’.
    Young Prince Harry was to be blooded into the Iraq conflict until someone thought it too risky. I just find it a particularly repulsive sporting term and I reckon it should be banned forthwith, period. There I feel better already.

  55. 55 the amazing kimNo Gravatar

    (Red Paintings from Brisvegas, Jason Webley from Seattle).

    I had friends who went to those shows (the RP and JW solo shows), and recomended them thoroughly. Must have been scarred by the lack of, I don’t know, air in the Ding Dong Lounge last time, because I didn’t realise the Dolls had returned.
    Last I heard though, the Red Paintings were going downhill fast, and their last show was worse than disappointing, due to Trash’s more than average unsoberness and such. They have a tour coming up in late June, though, and it should be better now they have a new manager and Trash is in rehab. Since moving to Brisbane I suddenly seem to know quite a few people in the music scene. It’s odd.

  56. 56 philNo Gravatar

    Surprisingly, I would not begrudge Howard the expenditure. Horsehair chairs are fine, after all I imagine the only stuff they’ve overheard in 11 years, given the likely company, has been horseshit. Fitness for purpose is an admirable principle.

    Actually I begrudge every f**king cent.

  57. 57 anthonyNo Gravatar

    sorry Billb, you’ll have to ask a plane.

  58. 58 anthonyNo Gravatar

    O

    n average, the PM has spent more than $1.5 million a year on the residences.

    phil, you’re right. It’s just disgusting on any level.

  59. 59 silkwormNo Gravatar

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