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	<title>Comments on: Mal Brough sucks them in</title>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-372278</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 12:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick you said<br />
<blockquote>Mal Broughâ€™s proposal had â€œdog whistleâ€? written all over it. </p></blockquote>
<p>Anthony, you said<br />
<blockquote>Textbook work by Brough, take a complex problem and pick out every bit that can be thrown at the communities, wave the welfare stick, and release it to the press.</p></blockquote>
<p>My oath!</p>
<p>Everybody:<br />
Alright, foist them all on their own petard &#8230;&#8230;. and demand<strong> compulsory bilingualism</strong> for ALL Australian students</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371345</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 09:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tide has turned for Brough.  While Minister assisting the Minister for Defence money was thrown around for any project he named. Now the holders of the Federal Purse string just point and laugh and send him packing with inadequate funding for whatever he proposes whether it be Disability issues or Indigenous issues.

A search of [Brough  funding] in any search engine (except google) is instructive in how spectacularly hopeless Brough has been in gaining adequate funding for anything in the past few months. Another dud Minister who deserves to be turfed at the Federal election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tide has turned for Brough.  While Minister assisting the Minister for Defence money was thrown around for any project he named. Now the holders of the Federal Purse string just point and laugh and send him packing with inadequate funding for whatever he proposes whether it be Disability issues or Indigenous issues.</p>
<p>A search of [Brough  funding] in any search engine (except google) is instructive in how spectacularly hopeless Brough has been in gaining adequate funding for anything in the past few months. Another dud Minister who deserves to be turfed at the Federal election.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Honnor</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371329</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Honnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 08:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One thing I left out of that post is the shameful contrast of Australian approaches to indigenous languages (including Aboriginal English), with the Maori Language Act.&quot;

There&#039;s one Maori language, compared to hundreds of Aboriginal languages, which have now shrunk to about 60.  

It&#039;s much easier to support and sustain one indigenous language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One thing I left out of that post is the shameful contrast of Australian approaches to indigenous languages (including Aboriginal English), with the Maori Language Act.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s one Maori language, compared to hundreds of Aboriginal languages, which have now shrunk to about 60.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s much easier to support and sustain one indigenous language.</p>
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		<title>By: The Piping Shrike</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371328</link>
		<dc:creator>The Piping Shrike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 08:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Australian approach to teaching the national language to the indigenous population is more shameful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Australian approach to teaching the national language to the indigenous population is more shameful.</p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371277</link>
		<dc:creator>lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 06:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I left out of that post is the shameful contrast of Australian approaches to indigenous languages (including Aboriginal English), with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tetaurawhiri.govt.nz/act87/index.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Maori Language Act&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I left out of that post is the shameful contrast of Australian approaches to indigenous languages (including Aboriginal English), with the <a href="http://www.tetaurawhiri.govt.nz/act87/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">Maori Language Act</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 06:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauredhel has a post up at Hoyden that goes into more details on the issue of disappearing languages:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=601&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Australian linguistocide, and antipodeal approaches to aboriginal education&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauredhel has a post up at Hoyden that goes into more details on the issue of disappearing languages:<br />
<a href="http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=601" rel="nofollow">Australian linguistocide, and antipodeal approaches to aboriginal education</a></p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371196</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 01:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to laugh while watching Lateline last night when Michael Kruger began insisting that the Coalition was on a winner once it broadened it&#039;s attack on to the performance of others beside the  Opposition Leader&#039;s wife.

There is no doubt that when Brough&#039;s performance is examined that voters will desert the coalition in droves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to laugh while watching Lateline last night when Michael Kruger began insisting that the Coalition was on a winner once it broadened it&#8217;s attack on to the performance of others beside the  Opposition Leader&#8217;s wife.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that when Brough&#8217;s performance is examined that voters will desert the coalition in droves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 22:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Linda Burnley pointed out yesterday - Brough&#039;s hypocricy on this is breath-taking - its his bloody lot that CUT ALL FUNDING for an indigenous literacy programme last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Linda Burnley pointed out yesterday &#8211; Brough&#8217;s hypocricy on this is breath-taking &#8211; its his bloody lot that CUT ALL FUNDING for an indigenous literacy programme last year.</p>
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		<title>By: The Piping Shrike</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371054</link>
		<dc:creator>The Piping Shrike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I think the confusion comes in what Sam Watson meant by &quot;cultural disrespect&quot; and whether he is referring to a disrespect to indigenous languages. It is not clear, but that seems to be the implication. If so, I think Robert has a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I think the confusion comes in what Sam Watson meant by &#8220;cultural disrespect&#8221; and whether he is referring to a disrespect to indigenous languages. It is not clear, but that seems to be the implication. If so, I think Robert has a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, I read the linked ABC report and I don&#039;t see any evidence that anyone is arguing against English literacy. If there&#039;s an &quot;appearance&quot; that that is the argument, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s warranted by what&#039;s actually said. As I read the report, it seems to me that what is being questioned is Brough&#039;s motives and good faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I read the linked ABC report and I don&#8217;t see any evidence that anyone is arguing against English literacy. If there&#8217;s an &#8220;appearance&#8221; that that is the argument, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s warranted by what&#8217;s actually said. As I read the report, it seems to me that what is being questioned is Brough&#8217;s motives and good faith.</p>
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		<title>By: The Piping Shrike</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371049</link>
		<dc:creator>The Piping Shrike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graeme, I thought the purpose of the post was to highlight that everyone in this country should be having compulsory English lessons anyway. Raising cultural (i.e. racial) differences to segregate the population is what makes it easier for the government to do such wedge politics. None of this has anything to do with whether anybody wants to learn another language. 

When are we going to stop denying people access to universal services on the basis of race?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme, I thought the purpose of the post was to highlight that everyone in this country should be having compulsory English lessons anyway. Raising cultural (i.e. racial) differences to segregate the population is what makes it easier for the government to do such wedge politics. None of this has anything to do with whether anybody wants to learn another language. </p>
<p>When are we going to stop denying people access to universal services on the basis of race?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371048</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, I think it&#039;s wonderful and highly desirable that Aboriginal people want to maintain their living languages (not to mention a fundamental right).  

But giving the appearance of arguing against English literacy is just letting the government use Aborigines as a political punching bag, as usual.  And I cannot see how that can possibly be helpful for any indigenous community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, I think it&#8217;s wonderful and highly desirable that Aboriginal people want to maintain their living languages (not to mention a fundamental right).  </p>
<p>But giving the appearance of arguing against English literacy is just letting the government use Aborigines as a political punching bag, as usual.  And I cannot see how that can possibly be helpful for any indigenous community.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the title for this post would be better if the last two words were deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the title for this post would be better if the last two words were deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371046</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to echo what Lefty E said about Sam Watson&#039;s effectiveness and indeed the respect he is held in by many in Brisbane outside as well as inside the Murri community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to echo what Lefty E said about Sam Watson&#8217;s effectiveness and indeed the respect he is held in by many in Brisbane outside as well as inside the Murri community.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371044</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 12:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert and P. Shrike, the purpose of this post was to highlight a flaky but effective form of wedge politics.  

At least I hope it&#039;s just a wedgie.  If not, the next step is an attack on bi-lingualism (ie &#039;teach em English until they can read Shakespeare:  then teach em their Mother tongue like a second language&#039;).  

There&#039;s nothing &#039;bunny&#039; like nor ghettoised about the following frustrated response quoted in the ABC report:

&quot;Central Australian Native Title holder Rosalie Kunoth-Monks says Mr Brough needs a reminder that he is not God. She says Mr Brough should stop putting Aboriginal people down.

&quot;To have the freedom in an affluent democratic country to speak your language as well as access that which is outside that will enable you to get jobs and so forth, we&#039;re well and truly aware of that,&quot; she said. There&#039;s no need for him to preach to us. Mal Brough is not God.&quot; &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert and P. Shrike, the purpose of this post was to highlight a flaky but effective form of wedge politics.  </p>
<p>At least I hope it&#8217;s just a wedgie.  If not, the next step is an attack on bi-lingualism (ie &#8216;teach em English until they can read Shakespeare:  then teach em their Mother tongue like a second language&#8217;).  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing &#8216;bunny&#8217; like nor ghettoised about the following frustrated response quoted in the ABC report:</p>
<p>&#8220;Central Australian Native Title holder Rosalie Kunoth-Monks says Mr Brough needs a reminder that he is not God. She says Mr Brough should stop putting Aboriginal people down.</p>
<p>&#8220;To have the freedom in an affluent democratic country to speak your language as well as access that which is outside that will enable you to get jobs and so forth, we&#8217;re well and truly aware of that,&#8221; she said. There&#8217;s no need for him to preach to us. Mal Brough is not God.&#8221; &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371042</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 12:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mal Brough must be getting close to the point where he will be so damaged as a Minister that his seat must almost be in jeopardy.

firstly he was unable to get agreement on the Commonwealth and state disability Agreement because he couldn&#039;t work out how to fund it properly.  It remains unsigned and unfunded to this day as far as I am aware.

During the week the Alice Springs Indigenous community knocked back his cash offer for housing because they didn&#039;t like the strings attached to the deal.

Now this.  That makes it three strikes Mal.  Another bright idea with dubious funding no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mal Brough must be getting close to the point where he will be so damaged as a Minister that his seat must almost be in jeopardy.</p>
<p>firstly he was unable to get agreement on the Commonwealth and state disability Agreement because he couldn&#8217;t work out how to fund it properly.  It remains unsigned and unfunded to this day as far as I am aware.</p>
<p>During the week the Alice Springs Indigenous community knocked back his cash offer for housing because they didn&#8217;t like the strings attached to the deal.</p>
<p>Now this.  That makes it three strikes Mal.  Another bright idea with dubious funding no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 11:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I know Sam Watson well, and he&#039;s an immensely important advocate for indigenous people in QLD, a very fine author of fiction, and always looking for ways to cooperate with non-indigenous progressives.

However, Sam&#039;s number one priority is Murri people, and you wont find him apologising for it.

As such, Im afraid he just wont be thinking first of ALP strategy and the &#039;counter-wedge&#039; potential of his response.

He wont lose an iota of Murri community support over it either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I know Sam Watson well, and he&#8217;s an immensely important advocate for indigenous people in QLD, a very fine author of fiction, and always looking for ways to cooperate with non-indigenous progressives.</p>
<p>However, Sam&#8217;s number one priority is Murri people, and you wont find him apologising for it.</p>
<p>As such, Im afraid he just wont be thinking first of ALP strategy and the &#8216;counter-wedge&#8217; potential of his response.</p>
<p>He wont lose an iota of Murri community support over it either.</p>
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		<title>By: The Piping Shrike</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371024</link>
		<dc:creator>The Piping Shrike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 08:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very much agree with the sentiment of this post. The trouble with the left&#039;s response is that they keep on pushing the idea of a cultural ghetto to stick Aboriginal people into. Once that happens, it makes it easy for the government to use cultural difference to justify the denial of universal services such as education and health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very much agree with the sentiment of this post. The trouble with the left&#8217;s response is that they keep on pushing the idea of a cultural ghetto to stick Aboriginal people into. Once that happens, it makes it easy for the government to use cultural difference to justify the denial of universal services such as education and health.</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 08:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Textbook work by Brough, take a complex problem and pick out every bit that can be thrown at the communities, wave the welfare stick, and release it to the press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Textbook work by Brough, take a complex problem and pick out every bit that can be thrown at the communities, wave the welfare stick, and release it to the press.</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/25/mal-brough-sucks-them-in/comment-page-1/#comment-371022</link>
		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 08:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mal Brough&#039;s proposal had &quot;dog whistle&quot; written all over it. The government has had a pretty poor week and this is their play to sure up their base and to distract the ALP. It&#039;s good to see that so far the ALP doesn&#039;t seem to be biting on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mal Brough&#8217;s proposal had &#8220;dog whistle&#8221; written all over it. The government has had a pretty poor week and this is their play to sure up their base and to distract the ALP. It&#8217;s good to see that so far the ALP doesn&#8217;t seem to be biting on this one.</p>
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