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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-373883</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, I&#039;m going to close this thread for now as I really don&#039;t want to get into issues.</description>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-373814</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 07:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah? Less money is being spent on the latest initiative than the government&#039;s citizenship test.

There&#039;s a bit of an irony there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah? Less money is being spent on the latest initiative than the government&#8217;s citizenship test.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a bit of an irony there!</p>
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		<title>By: steve at the pub</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-373809</link>
		<dc:creator>steve at the pub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just how do these pommy know-it-alls suggest aboriginal health be fixed?

It is not possible to throw any more money at aboriginal health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just how do these pommy know-it-alls suggest aboriginal health be fixed?</p>
<p>It is not possible to throw any more money at aboriginal health.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bath</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-373804</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Scientist this week (an English Magazine)  had an editorial about the 1967 referendum and angry about the lack of progress on aboriginal health &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19426063.200-editorial-stand-up-for-your-mates.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;,, and an interview &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19426061.700-interview-time-to-heal-a-troubled-nation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.   Unfortunately you only get the first few paragraphs of the story unless you are a subscriber, or buy the mag in a newsagent.

A snippet from the editorial
&lt;blockquote&gt;What is needed is for all Australians to take responsibility for their &quot;mates&quot; just as they did 40 years ago, and to push the shocking state of health among Aborigines high up the political agenda.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Scientist this week (an English Magazine)  had an editorial about the 1967 referendum and angry about the lack of progress on aboriginal health <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19426063.200-editorial-stand-up-for-your-mates.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>,, and an interview <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19426061.700-interview-time-to-heal-a-troubled-nation.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.   Unfortunately you only get the first few paragraphs of the story unless you are a subscriber, or buy the mag in a newsagent.</p>
<p>A snippet from the editorial</p>
<blockquote><p>What is needed is for all Australians to take responsibility for their &#8220;mates&#8221; just as they did 40 years ago, and to push the shocking state of health among Aborigines high up the political agenda.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-373776</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 04:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kim.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-373766</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The comments thread is open, but as I said letâ€™s share memories, respectful appreciation and links please.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All that was posted was a link. Take it round to Andrew Bartlett&#039;s place where there&#039;s substantive discussion of the report if you want to stoush about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The comments thread is open, but as I said letâ€™s share memories, respectful appreciation and links please.</p></blockquote>
<p>All that was posted was a link. Take it round to Andrew Bartlett&#8217;s place where there&#8217;s substantive discussion of the report if you want to stoush about it.</p>
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		<title>By: steve at the pub</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve at the pub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha.... The Bringing Them Home report is on a par with the Lancet casualty report for Iraq, haha... it defies belief that people can accept such crap with such a lower standard of evidence.

Perhaps &quot;Fake but accurate&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230;. The Bringing Them Home report is on a par with the Lancet casualty report for Iraq, haha&#8230; it defies belief that people can accept such crap with such a lower standard of evidence.</p>
<p>Perhaps &#8220;Fake but accurate&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-373761</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, if you&#039;re suffering from exam stress, you should seek more socially acceptable means of reducing your stress levels than hurling nasty epithets at people.

Just sayin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, if you&#8217;re suffering from exam stress, you should seek more socially acceptable means of reducing your stress levels than hurling nasty epithets at people.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-373759</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark

As a document worthy of serious policy attention the Bringing Home Report should never have been realeased. I am appalled that a social scientist such as yourself, who ordinarily will shout his disgust at sloppy biased methodology can laud this piece of garbage. 

There is only one interpretation. You are a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark</p>
<p>As a document worthy of serious policy attention the Bringing Home Report should never have been realeased. I am appalled that a social scientist such as yourself, who ordinarily will shout his disgust at sloppy biased methodology can laud this piece of garbage. </p>
<p>There is only one interpretation. You are a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-373758</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1967 Referendum was a monumental act of Reconciliation, welcome and inclusion: Until it was snatched by Nugget Coombs and the tidal-wave of boneheaded narcissitic Leftist baby-boomers who then subjected these poor people to decades of &quot;Noble Savage&quot; delusion.

Will they apologize? Tragically, of course not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1967 Referendum was a monumental act of Reconciliation, welcome and inclusion: Until it was snatched by Nugget Coombs and the tidal-wave of boneheaded narcissitic Leftist baby-boomers who then subjected these poor people to decades of &#8220;Noble Savage&#8221; delusion.</p>
<p>Will they apologize? Tragically, of course not.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-371896</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 13:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry Sweetman gives his <a href="http://www.news.com.au/sundaymail/story/0,23739,21797275-5012447,00.html" rel="nofollow">personal perspective</a> in the <i>Sunday Mail</i> today.</p>
<p>Barry Cassidy <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2007/s1934271.htm" rel="nofollow">interviewed Mal Brough</a> on <i>Insiders</i>.</p>
<p>Brough made a distinction between urbanised Aborigines, those on the fringe of population centres in the &#8220;long grass&#8217; and remote settlements. In the case of the latter two he is keen in tailored negotiated assistance.</p>
<p>Howard was <a href="http://www.news.com.au/sundaymail/story/0,23739,21802153-953,00.html" rel="nofollow">accused of genocide</a> when he spoke at a function this morning.</p>
<p>Rudd said Labor in government would &#8220;say sorry for past atrocities committed by European settlers.&#8221;</p>
<p>news.com.au has a <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21801439-5007133,00.html" rel="nofollow">roundup of events associated with the anniversary</a> and reports new research on Australian attitudes which</p>
<blockquote><p>showed Australians were ready for a new, stronger relationship between its indigenous and non-indigenous people.</p>
<p>The study of attitudes of 1000 adult Australians by Aboriginal progress group Reconciliation Australia found 71 per cent believed building better relationships between indigenous people and the rest of society was important.</p>
<p>The majority believed reconciliation was about â€œdeveloping mutual respectâ€? and â€œindigenous people having equal rightsâ€?, the research found.</p>
<p>â€œThese findings suggest that the values which motivated the 1967 referendum are still held by the majority of Australians,â€? Reconciliation Australia chief executive Barbara Livesey said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Rudd promised</p>
<blockquote><p>to close the 17-year gap in life expectancy between black and white Australians within a generation.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Age <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/high-emotions-mark-referendum-anniversary/2007/05/27/1180205065351.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1" rel="nofollow">gives details</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I would propose that we commit the nation to the following goals to eliminate the 17-year gap in life expectancy between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians within a generation.</p>
<p>&#8220;To at least halve the rate of indigenous infant mortality &#8230; within a decade.</p>
<p>&#8220;To at least halve mortality rates in indigenous children aged under five within a decade and to at least halve the difference in the rate of indigenous students at years 3, 5 and 7 who fail to meet reading, writing and numeracy benchmarks within ten years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr Rudd said a Labor government would tackle the high rate of rheumatic heart fever in indigenous children aged between five and fifteen through proper diagnosis and early access to antibiotics.</p>
<p>Labor&#8217;s plan would be funded by a $186.4 million contribution from federal funds and $75 million from the states and territories.</p>
<p>It would include new child and maternal health services for indigenous Australians and individualised learning plans for indigenous students up to year 10.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-371716</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 04:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today is the tenth anniversary of the Stolen Generations Report - Andrew Bartlett has a good post:

http://www.andrewbartlett.com/blog/?p=1499</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is the tenth anniversary of the Stolen Generations Report &#8211; Andrew Bartlett has a good post:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.andrewbartlett.com/blog/?p=1499" rel="nofollow">http://www.andrewbartlett.com/blog/?p=1499</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-371461</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pablo, that is sad and disappointing about Barton and Broome. By way of contrast there was a news item on ABC tonight, which I didn&#039;t fully catch, but it involved a group of Aboriginal women and some white jazz players, including at least one male. playing melded music. I gather the  the songs were telling traditional Aboriginal stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pablo, that is sad and disappointing about Barton and Broome. By way of contrast there was a news item on ABC tonight, which I didn&#8217;t fully catch, but it involved a group of Aboriginal women and some white jazz players, including at least one male. playing melded music. I gather the  the songs were telling traditional Aboriginal stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/26/remembering-the-referendum/comment-page-1/#comment-371432</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 13:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pablo, from what I can make of it, Jackie Huggins&#039; Mum&#039;s comment was colourful but wrong. But it was her excitement of being recognised as part of the population that meant so much.

I think it was Rowse of the Rowse and Goot combination who said that the ABS had been counting Aborigines and that they had been counted in NSW as early as 1828.

Rob, sorry I didn&#039;t check the spaminator earlier. I have no expertise in the area, but I was attracted to Elkin&#039;s four category conceptualisation of inclusion. Rowse and Groot believe that the Australian people in general were more than happy to extend political rights to the indigenous peoples but social inclusion was quite a different matter. They would say that that is where the fault line lies. As far as I can make out there was an expectation that Commonwealth involvement would lead to a better deal, and as such the subsequent years have been disappointing.

It doesn&#039;t mean that anyone saw the referendum as an &quot;end&quot;, however. I think that just slipped off Kelly&#039;s pen.

Kelly always manages to sound a bit pompous, and I think his characterisation of those times as &#039;simple&#039; is, well, a bit simplistic.

Katz, I didn&#039;t hear all of the Awaye! program tonight, but there were claims that the race power of the Commonwealth had been used against Aborigines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pablo, from what I can make of it, Jackie Huggins&#8217; Mum&#8217;s comment was colourful but wrong. But it was her excitement of being recognised as part of the population that meant so much.</p>
<p>I think it was Rowse of the Rowse and Goot combination who said that the ABS had been counting Aborigines and that they had been counted in NSW as early as 1828.</p>
<p>Rob, sorry I didn&#8217;t check the spaminator earlier. I have no expertise in the area, but I was attracted to Elkin&#8217;s four category conceptualisation of inclusion. Rowse and Groot believe that the Australian people in general were more than happy to extend political rights to the indigenous peoples but social inclusion was quite a different matter. They would say that that is where the fault line lies. As far as I can make out there was an expectation that Commonwealth involvement would lead to a better deal, and as such the subsequent years have been disappointing.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t mean that anyone saw the referendum as an &#8220;end&#8221;, however. I think that just slipped off Kelly&#8217;s pen.</p>
<p>Kelly always manages to sound a bit pompous, and I think his characterisation of those times as &#8217;simple&#8217; is, well, a bit simplistic.</p>
<p>Katz, I didn&#8217;t hear all of the Awaye! program tonight, but there were claims that the race power of the Commonwealth had been used against Aborigines.</p>
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		<title>By: pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 13:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re likely to be overwelmed by nostalgic reminiscences of the 1967 referendum in coming days, strange and troubling contradictions will keep surfacing in black-white relations. 
For example, ABC FM radio has been reporting the abrupt cancellation of sponsored concerts in Broome by one of our very best didgereedoo players, William Barton and others, after the plug was pulled by Broome locals. The group had been playing other Kimberley centres but it appears threats to their health were expressed if they performed their modern adaptations in the supposedly cosmopolitan Broome. Barton is an indigenous man originally from Mt Isa, but the reports don&#039;t make it clear whether it is the fact that he was a Queenslander or that he was playing contemporary music with didge or that the didge wasn&#039;t locally accepted or that it wasn&#039;t accompanied by dance. But the threats were enough for Barton and his group to cancel.  
This culture clash won&#039;t be remembered in 40 years but to me it is an example of separateness or the gulf that divides and perhaps always will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re likely to be overwelmed by nostalgic reminiscences of the 1967 referendum in coming days, strange and troubling contradictions will keep surfacing in black-white relations.<br />
For example, ABC FM radio has been reporting the abrupt cancellation of sponsored concerts in Broome by one of our very best didgereedoo players, William Barton and others, after the plug was pulled by Broome locals. The group had been playing other Kimberley centres but it appears threats to their health were expressed if they performed their modern adaptations in the supposedly cosmopolitan Broome. Barton is an indigenous man originally from Mt Isa, but the reports don&#8217;t make it clear whether it is the fact that he was a Queenslander or that he was playing contemporary music with didge or that the didge wasn&#8217;t locally accepted or that it wasn&#8217;t accompanied by dance. But the threats were enough for Barton and his group to cancel.<br />
This culture clash won&#8217;t be remembered in 40 years but to me it is an example of separateness or the gulf that divides and perhaps always will.</p>
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		<title>By: pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 12:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz. I think that should read &#039;Sen Herron&#039; as the Minister in the Howard cabinet. Daryl Mellon was the opposition spokesman around that time.
It is interesting how the referendum question was interpreted by many. For Jackie Huggins it was a case of finally being included in the human population as distinct from a census of sheep and cattle. A rough national tally of the latter is available but it is strictly a colourful interpretation of whatever the &#039;Flora and Fauna Act&#039; entailed. I&#039;m not aware of such a statute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz. I think that should read &#8216;Sen Herron&#8217; as the Minister in the Howard cabinet. Daryl Mellon was the opposition spokesman around that time.<br />
It is interesting how the referendum question was interpreted by many. For Jackie Huggins it was a case of finally being included in the human population as distinct from a census of sheep and cattle. A rough national tally of the latter is available but it is strictly a colourful interpretation of whatever the &#8216;Flora and Fauna Act&#8217; entailed. I&#8217;m not aware of such a statute.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 11:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt, many people of good will were very happy with the result of the 1967 referendum. 

However, it is important to be very clear about what the constitutional change actually means.

Annulment of the section relating to Aborigines means that Aborigines are now equally subject with members of all other &quot;races&quot; to the &quot;race powers&quot; in the Constitution. In other words, racist legislation is now constitutional for all &quot;races&quot;.

And this fact has not been missed by the Tories. In the early months of the first Howard Government, Senator Mellon, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, mused out loud in Parliament over whether it might be politic to pass special legislation under the &quot;race powers&quot; provision to annul certain unwelcome aspects of Native Title.

It didn&#039;t happen, of course. It was unnecessary. The Howard Government lacked the motive but not the opportunity to find a new use for the still existant &quot;race-powers&quot; provision of the Australian constitution.

This possibility continues to exist while the &quot;race powers&quot; provision of the Constitution remains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt, many people of good will were very happy with the result of the 1967 referendum. </p>
<p>However, it is important to be very clear about what the constitutional change actually means.</p>
<p>Annulment of the section relating to Aborigines means that Aborigines are now equally subject with members of all other &#8220;races&#8221; to the &#8220;race powers&#8221; in the Constitution. In other words, racist legislation is now constitutional for all &#8220;races&#8221;.</p>
<p>And this fact has not been missed by the Tories. In the early months of the first Howard Government, Senator Mellon, Minister for Aboriginal Affairs, mused out loud in Parliament over whether it might be politic to pass special legislation under the &#8220;race powers&#8221; provision to annul certain unwelcome aspects of Native Title.</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t happen, of course. It was unnecessary. The Howard Government lacked the motive but not the opportunity to find a new use for the still existant &#8220;race-powers&#8221; provision of the Australian constitution.</p>
<p>This possibility continues to exist while the &#8220;race powers&#8221; provision of the Constitution remains.</p>
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		<title>By: philip travers</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip travers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 10:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The referendum maybe important historically,but I think all the references to the ABC  are ,in reading at least, to me unacceptable.I find it very difficult to adjust to the stylising by ABC staff about most issues including matters Aboriginal.I have heard the general ABC promos ,once too often ,and find deep flaws.The Away program has occasionally disillusioned me as the prospect of hearing Aboriginals expressing opinions that are terrible generalities,that,for their sake, must be described as blind cul-de-sacs.It is a problem at the ABC generally when to correct what in other circumstances are profound nonsenses. Being confident in what one says is fine,being able to describe reality as it seems... is difficult enough.What reality maybe,however,requires a determination outside of confidence and what is easy as anecdote,analogy, or even scientific description attempts.  Interviewers,who know their stuff,will never leave someone sounding embarassingly deficient..it just maybe a problem of confidence .... over-reaching necessity  in speaking.Some joy there may well be in being on the ABC. I dont want to destroy that. I think however, that, lifting the game means the discipline of being honest, rather than offering opinions and views that are later full of holes because of what others have to say,on same subjects. Wether questions and answering them is outside of the real historical culture of Aborigines sits uneasy....    with the needs of survival today. Wether  there is a Aboriginal sense of humour or not,seems to have many interpreters and unthought out bold statements..across age groups and obvious linguistic skills. Humour and question and answer statements have made me consider ... that there is a lack of discipline at the ABC to improve, without denaturing, Aboriginal guests. I think Aboriginal people,like everyone else ,are quite capable at seeing themselves clearly,after such events ,and ,put themselves to  the test of a more admirable trait that endures..you could of thought a bit deeper before speaking,and,been more precise!? Thats an art, and the general staff at the ABC arent always that good. I  await the return of the sharp witted intelligent every person ....Aboriginal. This isnt criticism it can be noted, however, as observation........not being correct ,but what can be enabled rather than always expressed. Someone who doesnt know their way around English as a spoken language ,doesnt lose out, if everything they say resonates with the understandings and confidence of knowing how limited  they may well be. I find that last sentence of mine here,perhaps not as clear as it could be,but,to avoid wasting other peoples time I will leave as is. Am I being pretentious..not in a overwhelming sense, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The referendum maybe important historically,but I think all the references to the ABC  are ,in reading at least, to me unacceptable.I find it very difficult to adjust to the stylising by ABC staff about most issues including matters Aboriginal.I have heard the general ABC promos ,once too often ,and find deep flaws.The Away program has occasionally disillusioned me as the prospect of hearing Aboriginals expressing opinions that are terrible generalities,that,for their sake, must be described as blind cul-de-sacs.It is a problem at the ABC generally when to correct what in other circumstances are profound nonsenses. Being confident in what one says is fine,being able to describe reality as it seems&#8230; is difficult enough.What reality maybe,however,requires a determination outside of confidence and what is easy as anecdote,analogy, or even scientific description attempts.  Interviewers,who know their stuff,will never leave someone sounding embarassingly deficient..it just maybe a problem of confidence &#8230;. over-reaching necessity  in speaking.Some joy there may well be in being on the ABC. I dont want to destroy that. I think however, that, lifting the game means the discipline of being honest, rather than offering opinions and views that are later full of holes because of what others have to say,on same subjects. Wether questions and answering them is outside of the real historical culture of Aborigines sits uneasy&#8230;.    with the needs of survival today. Wether  there is a Aboriginal sense of humour or not,seems to have many interpreters and unthought out bold statements..across age groups and obvious linguistic skills. Humour and question and answer statements have made me consider &#8230; that there is a lack of discipline at the ABC to improve, without denaturing, Aboriginal guests. I think Aboriginal people,like everyone else ,are quite capable at seeing themselves clearly,after such events ,and ,put themselves to  the test of a more admirable trait that endures..you could of thought a bit deeper before speaking,and,been more precise!? Thats an art, and the general staff at the ABC arent always that good. I  await the return of the sharp witted intelligent every person &#8230;.Aboriginal. This isnt criticism it can be noted, however, as observation&#8230;&#8230;..not being correct ,but what can be enabled rather than always expressed. Someone who doesnt know their way around English as a spoken language ,doesnt lose out, if everything they say resonates with the understandings and confidence of knowing how limited  they may well be. I find that last sentence of mine here,perhaps not as clear as it could be,but,to avoid wasting other peoples time I will leave as is. Am I being pretentious..not in a overwhelming sense, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 08:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess my comment went into the spaminator again.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 08:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve made a change since posting in the fifth last para, beginning &quot;Jackie Huggins recalls...&quot; to correct a mistake. And have added a note about counting Aborigines in earlier times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve made a change since posting in the fifth last para, beginning &#8220;Jackie Huggins recalls&#8230;&#8221; to correct a mistake. And have added a note about counting Aborigines in earlier times.</p>
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