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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372632</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 15:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Dear, It ain&#039;t looking good in internal Liberal Party Polling either.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Despite Labor&#039;s attempts to play down the polls yesterday, including a public warning from ALP secretary Tim Gartrell to MPs that the figures represented an intention to vote rather than rusted-on support, internal Liberal Party polling is also ringing alarm bells. 

Emerging from a partyroom meeting that participants described as &quot;depressing&quot;, Liberal MP Pat Farmer echoed his colleagues&#039; concerns that voters no longer believed the Government on the important issue of the environment. 

Another Liberal MP mentioned the Government&#039;s failure to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change as hurting support among young people. 

Coalition MPs fear Mr Rudd&#039;s refrain - that a government of climate-change sceptics cannot find a climate-change solution - is resonating with voters. And Labor&#039;s promise to use public funds to build a broadband network is also winning support. 

&quot;My point is that people in the real world outside of Canberra in western Sydney are back to the basics,&quot; Mr Farmer told The Australian. &quot;It&#039;s basic things like roads, mortgages. A lot of young people are interested in the issue of the environment. 

&quot;Broadband is also a huge issue out there. As far as the young people are concerned, they want the latest technology and they want it now, and for that reason we need to show some vision.&quot; 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21818045-601,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Dear, It ain&#8217;t looking good in internal Liberal Party Polling either.</p>
<blockquote><p>Despite Labor&#8217;s attempts to play down the polls yesterday, including a public warning from ALP secretary Tim Gartrell to MPs that the figures represented an intention to vote rather than rusted-on support, internal Liberal Party polling is also ringing alarm bells. </p>
<p>Emerging from a partyroom meeting that participants described as &#8220;depressing&#8221;, Liberal MP Pat Farmer echoed his colleagues&#8217; concerns that voters no longer believed the Government on the important issue of the environment. </p>
<p>Another Liberal MP mentioned the Government&#8217;s failure to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change as hurting support among young people. </p>
<p>Coalition MPs fear Mr Rudd&#8217;s refrain &#8211; that a government of climate-change sceptics cannot find a climate-change solution &#8211; is resonating with voters. And Labor&#8217;s promise to use public funds to build a broadband network is also winning support. </p>
<p>&#8220;My point is that people in the real world outside of Canberra in western Sydney are back to the basics,&#8221; Mr Farmer told The Australian. &#8220;It&#8217;s basic things like roads, mortgages. A lot of young people are interested in the issue of the environment. </p>
<p>&#8220;Broadband is also a huge issue out there. As far as the young people are concerned, they want the latest technology and they want it now, and for that reason we need to show some vision.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372629</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Govt Gazette:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Talkback tactic wins PM his voters
David Uren, Economics correspondent 
May 30, 2007 

THE elderly and poorly educated have secured the Coalition its hold on government in an electorate increasingly influenced by issues thrown up in the course of the election campaign. 

Macquarie University researchers attribute the Coalition&#039;s success with these groups to John Howard&#039;s strategy of centralising his media strategy on talkback radio. 

&quot;We think this tells you a story about the policies that the Government has run, with an appeal to more populist issues directed through the talkback media,&quot; Macquarie University professor Murray Goot said yesterday. 

When Labor was last in power, people with no post-school qualifications were one-third more likely to vote for Labor than for the Coalition. Since 1996, they have been almost evenly split. 

The Government&#039;s survival may turn upon whether its industrial relations laws cost the support of the &quot;Howard battlers&quot; - the blue-collar workers in industrial suburbs where the Coalition has won seats from Labor. 

The research shows education, rather than income or occupation, is the main factor behind what makes blue-collar workers more likely to vote for the Coalition. 

The Government&#039;s support from people in blue-collar occupations has been volatile, almost matching Labor in 1996, falling in 1998 and recovering in 2004. 

The Coalition has also cemented its lead among older voters. 

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21818093-601,00.html&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Govt Gazette:</p>
<blockquote><p>Talkback tactic wins PM his voters<br />
David Uren, Economics correspondent<br />
May 30, 2007 </p>
<p>THE elderly and poorly educated have secured the Coalition its hold on government in an electorate increasingly influenced by issues thrown up in the course of the election campaign. </p>
<p>Macquarie University researchers attribute the Coalition&#8217;s success with these groups to John Howard&#8217;s strategy of centralising his media strategy on talkback radio. </p>
<p>&#8220;We think this tells you a story about the policies that the Government has run, with an appeal to more populist issues directed through the talkback media,&#8221; Macquarie University professor Murray Goot said yesterday. </p>
<p>When Labor was last in power, people with no post-school qualifications were one-third more likely to vote for Labor than for the Coalition. Since 1996, they have been almost evenly split. </p>
<p>The Government&#8217;s survival may turn upon whether its industrial relations laws cost the support of the &#8220;Howard battlers&#8221; &#8211; the blue-collar workers in industrial suburbs where the Coalition has won seats from Labor. </p>
<p>The research shows education, rather than income or occupation, is the main factor behind what makes blue-collar workers more likely to vote for the Coalition. </p>
<p>The Government&#8217;s support from people in blue-collar occupations has been volatile, almost matching Labor in 1996, falling in 1998 and recovering in 2004. </p>
<p>The Coalition has also cemented its lead among older voters. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21818093-601,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21818093-601,00.html</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ken Scott</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372611</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 11:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you draw attention to the AWB or children overboard unless you wanted to hurt Ratty. Deputy Dawg is doing a dirty on the boss.  Clearly. Thisis  dog whistling of a fairly sophisticated kind. A payback for the years of humiliation. You can see the logic. $weetie is the winner in the end.</p>
<blockquote><p> Where was the judge heâ€™d never seen? Where was the high court he had never reached? He raised both  hands and spread out all his fingers. But the hands of one of the gentleman were laid on K.â€™s throat, while the other pushed the knife deep into his heart and twisted it there, twice. As his eyesight failed, K. saw the two gentlemen cheek by cheek, close in front of his face, watching the result. â€œLike a dog!â€? he said&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>- Franz Kafka, The Trial</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 11:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly the Greens will do better than Newspoll - they have a deep green base, plus an effective machine that will ensure they have candidates and hence ballot labels in every seat.

But it won&#039;t surprise when their vote falls in 07 from 04:  
1.  When change is afoot, the electorate polarises somewhat.
2.  The Greens rise was a mix of frustration on global warming   collapse of Democrats.   Labor first (and now in catchup the govt) have put climate policy in the mainstream.   A policy victory but political poison for the Greens (similarly, &#039;border security&#039; was Hanson&#039;s pyrrhic victory).
3.  Rudd is slippery and no leftie. But he exudes urbane intelligence.  A large slice of Green support has been intellectuals, who trust his brains and hate Howard enough to forgive (for now) Rudd&#039;s lack of ideological anchoring.

The Greens will roll with the punches, but short of ecological catastrophe of the kind that hurts suburbia, they won&#039;t break through the minor party barrier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly the Greens will do better than Newspoll &#8211; they have a deep green base, plus an effective machine that will ensure they have candidates and hence ballot labels in every seat.</p>
<p>But it won&#8217;t surprise when their vote falls in 07 from 04:<br />
1.  When change is afoot, the electorate polarises somewhat.<br />
2.  The Greens rise was a mix of frustration on global warming   collapse of Democrats.   Labor first (and now in catchup the govt) have put climate policy in the mainstream.   A policy victory but political poison for the Greens (similarly, &#8216;border security&#8217; was Hanson&#8217;s pyrrhic victory).<br />
3.  Rudd is slippery and no leftie. But he exudes urbane intelligence.  A large slice of Green support has been intellectuals, who trust his brains and hate Howard enough to forgive (for now) Rudd&#8217;s lack of ideological anchoring.</p>
<p>The Greens will roll with the punches, but short of ecological catastrophe of the kind that hurts suburbia, they won&#8217;t break through the minor party barrier.</p>
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		<title>By: Snorky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372606</link>
		<dc:creator>Snorky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 11:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grace, my bumper sticker of choice is: &#039;Howard hater, and proud of it&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace, my bumper sticker of choice is: &#8216;Howard hater, and proud of it&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372605</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 11:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr Costello justified his attack because Mr Rudd, during his speech, had criticised Mr Howard&#039;s character over the so-called &quot;children overboard&quot; affair, the Iraq war and the AWB wheat scandal.&quot;

Wow, did Rudd do and say all that? How cruel and silly.
All those issues that the general public just accept as normal rodent behaviour.

Hang on? Not damning John boy with faint praise is he? 
Maybe Tipus Brutus will take a tilt at the top job yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr Costello justified his attack because Mr Rudd, during his speech, had criticised Mr Howard&#8217;s character over the so-called &#8220;children overboard&#8221; affair, the Iraq war and the AWB wheat scandal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, did Rudd do and say all that? How cruel and silly.<br />
All those issues that the general public just accept as normal rodent behaviour.</p>
<p>Hang on? Not damning John boy with faint praise is he?<br />
Maybe Tipus Brutus will take a tilt at the top job yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372601</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 10:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œBut let me just remind the leader of the opposition that there is a long way to go before a decision is made by your master and mine â€“ and that is the Australian people.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wait... Is he claiming to be the personification of the Australian People here? &#039;Cause it&#039;s actually you who decides when the people decide, Mr. Eyebrows, or at least up until the first week in January.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>â€œBut let me just remind the leader of the opposition that there is a long way to go before a decision is made by your master and mine â€“ and that is the Australian people.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Wait&#8230; Is he claiming to be the personification of the Australian People here? &#8216;Cause it&#8217;s actually you who decides when the people decide, Mr. Eyebrows, or at least up until the first week in January.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372599</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 10:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Frank, they&#039;re sounding very shrill and defensive. There&#039;s a serious question mark over Ratty and Iceberg&#039;s ability to handle genuine pressure. Beazer and Boof never really turned the screws like this.

Maybe they&#039;re just not up to the top job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Frank, they&#8217;re sounding very shrill and defensive. There&#8217;s a serious question mark over Ratty and Iceberg&#8217;s ability to handle genuine pressure. Beazer and Boof never really turned the screws like this.</p>
<p>Maybe they&#8217;re just not up to the top job!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372598</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 10:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Its pure denial too. At some point, Rodent made the mistake of believing the Govt Gazette hype.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

May I, at this point, suggest that the LIberal Party Campaign Song should be &quot;Listening&quot; by Pseudo Echo.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Listening 
Like you did before 
Now you&#039;re 
Listening no more 
See the girl 
She&#039;s the one I want 
To be holding 
Holding me close 

I say You say 
Weren&#039;t you listening 
Now it&#039;s too late 
You&#039;re not listening 
I say You say 
Weren&#039;t you listening 
Now it&#039;s too late 
You&#039;re not listening 

I&#039;ve heard it all before 
So many words 
That you&#039;ve just closed the door 
If you notice 
The changes that you fear 
But now it&#039;s too late to see 

I say You say 
Weren&#039;t you listening 
Now it&#039;s too late 
You&#039;re not listening 
I say You say 
Weren&#039;t you listening 
Now it&#039;s too late 
You&#039;re not listening 

I hope you understand 
The feeling 
The freedom I command 

I say You say 
Weren&#039;t you listening 
Now it&#039;s too late 
You&#039;re not listening 
I say You say 
Weren&#039;t you listening 
Now it&#039;s too late 
You&#039;re not listening 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/562848.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Its pure denial too. At some point, Rodent made the mistake of believing the Govt Gazette hype.
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<p>May I, at this point, suggest that the LIberal Party Campaign Song should be &#8220;Listening&#8221; by Pseudo Echo.</p>
<blockquote><p>Listening<br />
Like you did before<br />
Now you&#8217;re<br />
Listening no more<br />
See the girl<br />
She&#8217;s the one I want<br />
To be holding<br />
Holding me close </p>
<p>I say You say<br />
Weren&#8217;t you listening<br />
Now it&#8217;s too late<br />
You&#8217;re not listening<br />
I say You say<br />
Weren&#8217;t you listening<br />
Now it&#8217;s too late<br />
You&#8217;re not listening </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard it all before<br />
So many words<br />
That you&#8217;ve just closed the door<br />
If you notice<br />
The changes that you fear<br />
But now it&#8217;s too late to see </p>
<p>I say You say<br />
Weren&#8217;t you listening<br />
Now it&#8217;s too late<br />
You&#8217;re not listening<br />
I say You say<br />
Weren&#8217;t you listening<br />
Now it&#8217;s too late<br />
You&#8217;re not listening </p>
<p>I hope you understand<br />
The feeling<br />
The freedom I command </p>
<p>I say You say<br />
Weren&#8217;t you listening<br />
Now it&#8217;s too late<br />
You&#8217;re not listening<br />
I say You say<br />
Weren&#8217;t you listening<br />
Now it&#8217;s too late<br />
You&#8217;re not listening
</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/562848.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/562848.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 10:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its pure denial too. At some point, Rodent made the mistake of believing the Govt Gazette hype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its pure denial too. At some point, Rodent made the mistake of believing the Govt Gazette hype.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372595</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 10:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Ratty is joining Deputy Dawg into the Doghouse of obscurity :-)

&lt;blockquote&gt;AN angry John Howard has accused Labor leader Kevin Rudd of being &quot;puffed up&quot; and cocky after opinion polls showed the opposition heading for a landslide win later this year.

With the latest Newspoll showing Labor back at record levels of support despite the crisis over Mr Rudd&#039;s wife&#039;s business dealings, the Prime Minister urged Coalition MPs to maintain the faith before going on the attack in Parliament.

During a bitter debate, Mr Howard and Treasurer Peter Costello launched personal tirades against Mr Rudd as he unsuccessfully attempted to censure the Prime Minister over climate change.

Mr Howard angrily dismissed Mr Rudd as being full of &quot;puffed-up hubris&quot; and of having the &quot;most fragile glass jaw in Australian politics&quot;.

&quot;The leader of the opposition has come into this place feeling very, very much the cock of the walk, he feels full of himself, he feels very much on top of everything, he thinks everything is going swimmingly his way and he&#039;s entitled to behave like that and I understand why he might behave like that,&quot; Mr Howard told Parliament.

&quot;But let me just remind the leader of the opposition that there is a long way to go before a decision is made by your master and mine â€“ and that is the Australian people.

&quot;There is a long way to go before the Australian people make a decision about who is better able to handle the most vital economic decision to be taken in this country&#039;s experience over the next 10 years.&quot;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21816713-5005361,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Ratty is joining Deputy Dawg into the Doghouse of obscurity <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>AN angry John Howard has accused Labor leader Kevin Rudd of being &#8220;puffed up&#8221; and cocky after opinion polls showed the opposition heading for a landslide win later this year.</p>
<p>With the latest Newspoll showing Labor back at record levels of support despite the crisis over Mr Rudd&#8217;s wife&#8217;s business dealings, the Prime Minister urged Coalition MPs to maintain the faith before going on the attack in Parliament.</p>
<p>During a bitter debate, Mr Howard and Treasurer Peter Costello launched personal tirades against Mr Rudd as he unsuccessfully attempted to censure the Prime Minister over climate change.</p>
<p>Mr Howard angrily dismissed Mr Rudd as being full of &#8220;puffed-up hubris&#8221; and of having the &#8220;most fragile glass jaw in Australian politics&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The leader of the opposition has come into this place feeling very, very much the cock of the walk, he feels full of himself, he feels very much on top of everything, he thinks everything is going swimmingly his way and he&#8217;s entitled to behave like that and I understand why he might behave like that,&#8221; Mr Howard told Parliament.</p>
<p>&#8220;But let me just remind the leader of the opposition that there is a long way to go before a decision is made by your master and mine â€“ and that is the Australian people.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a long way to go before the Australian people make a decision about who is better able to handle the most vital economic decision to be taken in this country&#8217;s experience over the next 10 years.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 10:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is listening to Deputy Dawg. He is not widely liked nor respected. Between 23 and 31 per cent see Deputy Dawg as foreman material (Morgan).

Nobody takes any notice of what is said in parliament. It&#039;s a waste of time. People read their payslips and draw their own conclusions and have done so since 2005. 

See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1406982.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; LINK &lt;/a&gt;. 

It&#039;s the bloody IR stupid! 

On IR Gillard 50 per cent , Jokin Joe 31 (Roy Morgan May 17 poll).

To cut to the chase: IR legislation has sealed Ratty&#039;s fate. And he is promising more where that came from. Frank, you&#039;re right. It&#039;s a death wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is listening to Deputy Dawg. He is not widely liked nor respected. Between 23 and 31 per cent see Deputy Dawg as foreman material (Morgan).</p>
<p>Nobody takes any notice of what is said in parliament. It&#8217;s a waste of time. People read their payslips and draw their own conclusions and have done so since 2005. </p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1406982.htm" rel="nofollow"> LINK </a>. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the bloody IR stupid! </p>
<p>On IR Gillard 50 per cent , Jokin Joe 31 (Roy Morgan May 17 poll).</p>
<p>To cut to the chase: IR legislation has sealed Ratty&#8217;s fate. And he is promising more where that came from. Frank, you&#8217;re right. It&#8217;s a death wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Greensborough Growler</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372582</link>
		<dc:creator>Greensborough Growler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 09:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Petey can see his whole political career going down the toilet and it has made him cross. The more they rant and smear, the higher Rudd&#039;s popularity seems to go.

Don&#039;t be surprised if these poll fugures are as good as it gets for the Libs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Petey can see his whole political career going down the toilet and it has made him cross. The more they rant and smear, the higher Rudd&#8217;s popularity seems to go.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be surprised if these poll fugures are as good as it gets for the Libs.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372576</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 09:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Doller $weetie is doing his bit to lower the Coalition Support Base :-)

&lt;blockquote&gt;FEDERAL Treasurer Peter Costello has elevated Kevin Rudd&#039;s character to the centre of the election campaign with a wide-ranging and aggressive parliamentary attack.
Mr Costello accused Mr Rudd of not telling the truth, of using crude language and of benefiting from his wife&#039;s business even though Labor opposed the use of private job placement networks and individual contracts. 

He described the Labor leader, who is riding high in the polls, of lacking the conviction and the ability to make hard decisions which were necessary to being prime minister. 

The Treasurer used a censure motion, moved by Mr Rudd today against Prime Minister John Howard over his refusal to say how much a government advertising campaign on climate change would cost, to launch his onslaught. 

Mr Rudd, as Mr Costello scornfully noted, left the chamber as soon as the Treasurer started speaking. 

Mr Costello justified his attack because Mr Rudd, during his speech, had criticised Mr Howard&#039;s character over the so-called &quot;children overboard&quot; affair, the Iraq war and the AWB wheat scandal. 

&quot;Let us remember that it was the Leader of the Opposition who began character attacks,&quot; Mr Costello said. 

&quot;The Government is quite entitled, in repudiating those character attacks, to ask how reliable, how honest and how candid the Leader of the Opposition has been when he&#039;s been under attack.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21815950-1702,00.html

Are the Libs on a Death Wish or what ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Doller $weetie is doing his bit to lower the Coalition Support Base <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>FEDERAL Treasurer Peter Costello has elevated Kevin Rudd&#8217;s character to the centre of the election campaign with a wide-ranging and aggressive parliamentary attack.<br />
Mr Costello accused Mr Rudd of not telling the truth, of using crude language and of benefiting from his wife&#8217;s business even though Labor opposed the use of private job placement networks and individual contracts. </p>
<p>He described the Labor leader, who is riding high in the polls, of lacking the conviction and the ability to make hard decisions which were necessary to being prime minister. </p>
<p>The Treasurer used a censure motion, moved by Mr Rudd today against Prime Minister John Howard over his refusal to say how much a government advertising campaign on climate change would cost, to launch his onslaught. </p>
<p>Mr Rudd, as Mr Costello scornfully noted, left the chamber as soon as the Treasurer started speaking. </p>
<p>Mr Costello justified his attack because Mr Rudd, during his speech, had criticised Mr Howard&#8217;s character over the so-called &#8220;children overboard&#8221; affair, the Iraq war and the AWB wheat scandal. </p>
<p>&#8220;Let us remember that it was the Leader of the Opposition who began character attacks,&#8221; Mr Costello said. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Government is quite entitled, in repudiating those character attacks, to ask how reliable, how honest and how candid the Leader of the Opposition has been when he&#8217;s been under attack.&#8221;
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<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21815950-1702,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21815950-1702,00.html</a></p>
<p>Are the Libs on a Death Wish or what ?</p>
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		<title>By: Enemy Combatant</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372572</link>
		<dc:creator>Enemy Combatant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 08:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or will punters read and think â€œOk, look: Rodent is Climate Mean and Tricky now. Another reason to bin the old tool.â€? &#8221;</p>
<p>Right on, Lefty.<br />
This is how Oliver Goldsmith (1728-1774) in &#8220;The Village Schoolmaster&#8221; perceived a vainglorious poseur who&#8217;d passed his &#8220;Use-By&#8221; date.  </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.For e&#8217;en though vanquish&#8217;d he could argue still;<br />
While words of learned length and thund&#8217;ring sound<br />
Amazed the gazing rustics rang&#8217;d around;<br />
And still they gaz&#8217;d and still the wonder grew,<br />
That one small head could carry all he knew.<br />
But past is all his fame. The very spot<br />
Where many a time he triumph&#8217;d is forgot. &#8221;</p>
<p>Comes a time when even &#8220;the gazing rustics rang&#8217;d around&#8221;  wise-up to perpetual humbuggery.<br />
Mind you, I&#8217;d like a couple of &#8220;Climate Clever&#8221; fridge magnets for the amusement of friends in the kitchen at parties.  Novemberish.</p>
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		<title>By: grace pettigrew</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372564</link>
		<dc:creator>grace pettigrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 07:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lefty E, that is THE slogan for the election, fits nicely on a bumber sticker, placard or a street sign: &quot;Bin the old tool&quot;. 

Love it, now where&#039;s Christine Keeler when you need a poster artist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lefty E, that is THE slogan for the election, fits nicely on a bumber sticker, placard or a street sign: &#8220;Bin the old tool&#8221;. </p>
<p>Love it, now where&#8217;s Christine Keeler when you need a poster artist?</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372551</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 06:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentially, if the leak is correct, and Howard is planning to bombard us with &quot;Climate Clever&quot; show bags, its an interesting choice of language. 

Is this more &quot;turn your negs into a pos&quot; type thinking, a la &quot;this election is about trust&quot;?

Or will punters read and think &quot;Ok, look: Rodent is &lt;em&gt;Climate Mean and Tricky&lt;/em&gt; now. Another reason to bin the old tool.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentially, if the leak is correct, and Howard is planning to bombard us with &#8220;Climate Clever&#8221; show bags, its an interesting choice of language. </p>
<p>Is this more &#8220;turn your negs into a pos&#8221; type thinking, a la &#8220;this election is about trust&#8221;?</p>
<p>Or will punters read and think &#8220;Ok, look: Rodent is <em>Climate Mean and Tricky</em> now. Another reason to bin the old tool.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisGS</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372548</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisGS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 06:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted last night on OzPolitics, but thought I would re-iterate (mainly because I want to use the phrase &quot;Poll from the Grassy Knoll&quot; again :-)  ) ...

If the Labor TPP vote is really steady at about 57-58% (i.e. the population), then the probability of obtaining consecutive samples of 55% then 60% is VERY low (less than 1%, if my stats lessons from years ago haven&#039;t started peeling away from Guinness consumption).

The alternatives are: a genuine positive trend to the ALP (suggested by the jump in primary vote), or a bias was introduced by the special mid-week NewsPoll.

Possible bias sources are purely speculative, hence ripe for blog discussion/ranting. They could be:

- Time of the week.

- The ordering of the questions. The mid-week 55% poll focussed mainly on &quot;who do you think will win&quot;, which NewsPoll don&#039;t normally do. Maybe some respondents get coy about saying &quot;ALP&quot; for too many questions

- The special poll was outsourced by NewsPoll and there were differences in execution, or churning through another 1100 phone calls has led to sloppiness (how this leads to bias I&#039;m not sure).

I&#039;m sure the research is conducted with maximum integrity etc. etc., but then the NewsPoll nabobs or Crosby-Textor know a lot more about the psychology of polling then us plebes.

(Cue X-Files music) ... was the special poll an attempt by The Daily Howard to smack down leadership rumblings, or a desperate attempt to get some sort of return on all the coin spent by the Liberals over the last month, knowing in advance that crabby work-slaves might slightly favour the devil you know during mid-week?

The truth is out there, subject to 95% statistical confidence :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted last night on OzPolitics, but thought I would re-iterate (mainly because I want to use the phrase &#8220;Poll from the Grassy Knoll&#8221; again <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   ) &#8230;</p>
<p>If the Labor TPP vote is really steady at about 57-58% (i.e. the population), then the probability of obtaining consecutive samples of 55% then 60% is VERY low (less than 1%, if my stats lessons from years ago haven&#8217;t started peeling away from Guinness consumption).</p>
<p>The alternatives are: a genuine positive trend to the ALP (suggested by the jump in primary vote), or a bias was introduced by the special mid-week NewsPoll.</p>
<p>Possible bias sources are purely speculative, hence ripe for blog discussion/ranting. They could be:</p>
<p>- Time of the week.</p>
<p>- The ordering of the questions. The mid-week 55% poll focussed mainly on &#8220;who do you think will win&#8221;, which NewsPoll don&#8217;t normally do. Maybe some respondents get coy about saying &#8220;ALP&#8221; for too many questions</p>
<p>- The special poll was outsourced by NewsPoll and there were differences in execution, or churning through another 1100 phone calls has led to sloppiness (how this leads to bias I&#8217;m not sure).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the research is conducted with maximum integrity etc. etc., but then the NewsPoll nabobs or Crosby-Textor know a lot more about the psychology of polling then us plebes.</p>
<p>(Cue X-Files music) &#8230; was the special poll an attempt by The Daily Howard to smack down leadership rumblings, or a desperate attempt to get some sort of return on all the coin spent by the Liberals over the last month, knowing in advance that crabby work-slaves might slightly favour the devil you know during mid-week?</p>
<p>The truth is out there, subject to 95% statistical confidence <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gutter Intelligensia</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/29/a-tale-of-two-polls-2/comment-page-1/#comment-372542</link>
		<dc:creator>Gutter Intelligensia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 06:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5% is more than a margin of error swing. I have been wondering whether the egregious waste of taxpayers money on Fed Gov&#039;t advertising may have been a factor. I know that amoung the small number of floating voters that I know it is a real issue. Aside from the Rein Anomalie - that is the only other major issue since the last poll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5% is more than a margin of error swing. I have been wondering whether the egregious waste of taxpayers money on Fed Gov&#8217;t advertising may have been a factor. I know that amoung the small number of floating voters that I know it is a real issue. Aside from the Rein Anomalie &#8211; that is the only other major issue since the last poll.</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 05:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newspoll&#039;s failure to include the greens as a specific option  for voters to choose skews the result in favour of Labor and independents who are presented as an option for voters. For the greens to record a vote the person surveyed must first choose the &quot;another party&quot; category and then volunteer &quot;the greens &quot; as their answer. 

The fact that the Greens are in the Newspoll results is because enough people indicate they would vote for them despite the greens not being presented as a specific answer option. 

Newspoll&#039;s public presentation of its results states that the question is  &quot;which of the following would you vote for&quot; but doesn&#039;t list what are &quot;the following&quot; .  That is not good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newspoll&#8217;s failure to include the greens as a specific option  for voters to choose skews the result in favour of Labor and independents who are presented as an option for voters. For the greens to record a vote the person surveyed must first choose the &#8220;another party&#8221; category and then volunteer &#8220;the greens &#8221; as their answer. </p>
<p>The fact that the Greens are in the Newspoll results is because enough people indicate they would vote for them despite the greens not being presented as a specific answer option. </p>
<p>Newspoll&#8217;s public presentation of its results states that the question is  &#8220;which of the following would you vote for&#8221; but doesn&#8217;t list what are &#8220;the following&#8221; .  That is not good enough.</p>
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