Indisputably, the liberal left are surplus to society.

Correct me if I am wrong but less Christians died at the hands of two centuries of the Inquisition than the 30,000 supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood who were massacred by the Syrians on one day in 1982.

The Inquisition was something of a sideshow in the mortality stakes. On the other hand between 15% and 30% of the population of Germany perished during the Thirty Years’ War.

Back to the issue.

Here in Australia we have ample laws against FGM, which is in the Australian setting peculiarly an Islamic practice.

The braying outrage of the Illiberal Right does nothing to improve the situation for Australian victims of FGM.

But that’s no surprise. The Illiberal Right simply view the issue as another straw in the hurricane of a more general culture war.

The Illiberal Right are as inhumane as they are obsessive.

McVeigh was a poor example, I grant you, because he wasn’t inspired by religion, but by other, more obscure hatreds. The anti-abortionists, however, are held back from Islamist-style behaviour by the rule of law and the US Constitution. Yes, Islamic countries probably need something similar, but I’m not going to expend blood and treasure helping them find it. We had to figure it out for ourselves. They can do likewise.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Timothy McVeigh depart this earth via 100,000 volts care of the American people?

Correct me if I am wrong, but how many abortion clinics have been blown up again? How many doctors have died? Is it, er, er, er 3?

Correct me if I am wrong but less Christians died at the hands of two centuries of the Inquisition than the 30,000 supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood who were massacred by the Syrians on one day in 1982.

Correct me if I am wrong but don’t western societies - including the very one you live in - vigorously prosecute any attempted violence and reject theocracy?

Oops, please accept my apology. I see, you are quoting OTHER posters ephemeral interjections. Interjections, you - like me - see as irrelevant.

What are you talking about? US fundies, the IRA, Northern Ireland, your imaginary Australians scared of multiculti are NOT the topic of this thread. An African woman’s visit to Sydney to address the Sydney Writer’s Festival is the topic.

Her won words are more than enough for us to discuss without bringing in all that other noise.

I think you have come in rather late. The topic IS, and has been for sometime, the fact that Kim only chose to address Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s presence in Australia as a footnote to a broader attack on Pamela Bone. FMG is a minor side-show. It is merely a horrible data point compared to Ali’s entire ouevre which ranges much, much, more broadly and profoundly. Even her writings, speeches, and interviews while in Australia barely touched on FGM, compared to her broader points: The substance of what she is saying is far greater.

Even if every single person who has posted here agreed that we all in total agreement on FMG, the substance of the REAL debate would still hardly be touched

The REAL issue is why have Kim and so many other leftist feminists (with the exception of Pamela Bone) spent so much time avoiding Ali’s substance, instead switching and baiting with ephemera.

You are one of them, so maybe you can clarify.

There is no such great distinction between “culture” and “religion.” In fact, culture IS largely religion. Also, Islam did not appear out of thin air like Athena from the Head of Zeus.

Islam was a political response to the realities of life in the Arabian peninsular, Syria, Persia, and eastern Africa in the sixth and seventh centuries.

So you cannot simply divide what is “Islamic” and what is “cultural” by some artificial dateline.

Here’s a hint, there are three answers.

By no coincidence, 28% is remarkably close to the 27% Crazification Factor in any population.

That is the bottom line of the first page Anthony. Doesn’t look like “28%”.

Perhaps I am reading it upside down or something?

The bottom of the first page of the report in the link says that 60% of US muslims DO NOT believe that arabs carried out the 911 attacks.

Read the report, it’s 28%.

The bottom of the first page of the report in the link says that 60% of US muslims DO NOT believe that arabs carried out the 911 attacks.

Hmmm, now read the paragraph again…

….. “The first-ever, nationwide, random sample survey of Muslim Americans finds them to be largely assimilated, happy with their lives, and moderate with respect to many of the issues that have divided Muslims and Westerners around the world”….

Brilliant, my east coast brother.

who are increasingly seeing their cultural and legal norms under assault by mass waves of immigrants who show far less respect for the standards of their adoptive nations, than was previously the norm

Of course we can’t tell what they do in “secret” JPZ but

The first-ever, nationwide, random sample survey of Muslim Americans finds them to be largely assimilated, happy with their lives, and moderate with respect to many of the issues that have divided Muslims and Westerners around the world

[link].

Have a look at the sources of immigration to Australia in 2003-4.

A massive 3900 people came from the Sudan. That’s 4.1% of arrivals.

The Brits came in first, as always, with 18300 or 16.4%. Second was our Kiwi friends with 14400 or 12.9%.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/918B6C069BF7E993CA2570DE000697EA?opendocument