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	<title>Comments on: Media Watch and the Internet</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/</link>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375557</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's under the "breaking news" section btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s under the &#8220;breaking news&#8221; section btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375556</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375556</guid>
		<description>This is a snafu probably reminiscent of the Rudd "yes I support 300 extra troops for Afghanistan because one of my staffers saw an old feed on Sky News".

The Age website has this UP TO THE MOMENT story:

&lt;blockquote&gt;French presidency battled out online

&lt;strong&gt;June 9, 2007 - 11:35PM&lt;/strong&gt;

Cyberspace is turning into a hotly contested arena in this year's French presidential elections, as candidates seek to harness the internet's vast but volatile resources to give them a decisive edge.

Frontrunners Segolene Royal and Nicolas Sarkozy issued their New Year's greetings on the internet in sharply contrasting formats, underscoring their different approaches but confirming the web - "la toile" in French - as a political battleground.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think the French presidential election is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a snafu probably reminiscent of the Rudd &#8220;yes I support 300 extra troops for Afghanistan because one of my staffers saw an old feed on Sky News&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Age website has this UP TO THE MOMENT story:</p>
<blockquote><p>French presidency battled out online</p>
<p><strong>June 9, 2007 - 11:35PM</strong></p>
<p>Cyberspace is turning into a hotly contested arena in this year&#8217;s French presidential elections, as candidates seek to harness the internet&#8217;s vast but volatile resources to give them a decisive edge.</p>
<p>Frontrunners Segolene Royal and Nicolas Sarkozy issued their New Year&#8217;s greetings on the internet in sharply contrasting formats, underscoring their different approaches but confirming the web - &#8220;la toile&#8221; in French - as a political battleground.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the French presidential election is over.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375540</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375540</guid>
		<description>It reminded me of the whole &lt;a href="http://www.shorty.com/bonsaikitten" rel="nofollow"&gt;bonsai kitten&lt;/a&gt; email fiasco.

I suggested on the message board that what Monica was suggesting was against the principle of freedom of speech. The moderator replied:&lt;blockquote&gt;There seems to be a common misunderstanding here that Media Watch was suggesting such broadcasts should be regulated. We weren't, but neither were we saying they should remain unrestricted. The real thrust of the segment was that this sort of material was being broad/narrowcast right now without regulation and may represent the kind of new frontier that regulators, used to dealing with the neatly defined spectrum based broadcasters, now have to contend with. EP Media Watch&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It reminded me of the whole <a href="http://www.shorty.com/bonsaikitten" rel="nofollow">bonsai kitten</a> email fiasco.</p>
<p>I suggested on the message board that what Monica was suggesting was against the principle of freedom of speech. The moderator replied:<br />
<blockquote>There seems to be a common misunderstanding here that Media Watch was suggesting such broadcasts should be regulated. We weren&#8217;t, but neither were we saying they should remain unrestricted. The real thrust of the segment was that this sort of material was being broad/narrowcast right now without regulation and may represent the kind of new frontier that regulators, used to dealing with the neatly defined spectrum based broadcasters, now have to contend with. EP Media Watch</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: philip travers</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375352</link>
		<dc:creator>philip travers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375352</guid>
		<description>The Tootgarook Courier anyday to the Media Watch programme.The old under-age stamping  ground of Aussie Rules and beating anyone on their Football Oval required at least one over-age player .Wherever Brian S is today Tootgarook remains a favourite place.Even if Portsea is down the road and us ..in memory were from the other side.Three Cheers for Revolutionary....what did you say your name was? But please as a  type of self-censorship,do not mention the word baby-boomer.I didnt grow up anywhere near Alan Jones the radio person who has wented.AngryAussie has some talent perhaps he doesnt need to swear,and well neither do I,but,...........................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tootgarook Courier anyday to the Media Watch programme.The old under-age stamping  ground of Aussie Rules and beating anyone on their Football Oval required at least one over-age player .Wherever Brian S is today Tootgarook remains a favourite place.Even if Portsea is down the road and us ..in memory were from the other side.Three Cheers for Revolutionary&#8230;.what did you say your name was? But please as a  type of self-censorship,do not mention the word baby-boomer.I didnt grow up anywhere near Alan Jones the radio person who has wented.AngryAussie has some talent perhaps he doesnt need to swear,and well neither do I,but,&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: su</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375342</link>
		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375342</guid>
		<description>None of what Attard said was remotely like moral panic and she is the host of media watch not human rights watch so no of course she has not done pieces on chinese journalists or iranian bloggers.   Don't see what the issue is.  It may not have been a strong piece but maybe it was a slow week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of what Attard said was remotely like moral panic and she is the host of media watch not human rights watch so no of course she has not done pieces on chinese journalists or iranian bloggers.   Don&#8217;t see what the issue is.  It may not have been a strong piece but maybe it was a slow week.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiny Tyrant</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375329</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiny Tyrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375329</guid>
		<description>In twenty years time we'll be talking about the good ol' days on the Wild Wild Nets. I'd assume that eventually most Governments will regulate the nets, or at least attempt to in some way. 

Likely, the nasty stuff will always be available, from somewhere (rogue ISP's, ISP's of Evil.. ), folks will decide whether or not they wish to access it and run the risk of punishment.  

We've already had a few cases where existing laws have crept in to the online world.

The beauty of computers for the totalitarian types is that you can track down those who are accessing the information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In twenty years time we&#8217;ll be talking about the good ol&#8217; days on the Wild Wild Nets. I&#8217;d assume that eventually most Governments will regulate the nets, or at least attempt to in some way. </p>
<p>Likely, the nasty stuff will always be available, from somewhere (rogue ISP&#8217;s, ISP&#8217;s of Evil.. ), folks will decide whether or not they wish to access it and run the risk of punishment.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve already had a few cases where existing laws have crept in to the online world.</p>
<p>The beauty of computers for the totalitarian types is that you can track down those who are accessing the information.</p>
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		<title>By: The Happy Revolutionary</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375328</link>
		<dc:creator>The Happy Revolutionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375328</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Media Watch is yet another example, if any more were needed, of the new, emasculated ABC.
Unable to attack anyone or anything of substance, that may cause shock!! horror!! controversy, they are left with the small fry, the inconsequential.
Worst of all though, it is mind numbingly boring.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Come on now, if Media Watch doesn't monitor the Tootgarook Courier and the Illawarra Trading Post, who will?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Media Watch is yet another example, if any more were needed, of the new, emasculated ABC.<br />
Unable to attack anyone or anything of substance, that may cause shock!! horror!! controversy, they are left with the small fry, the inconsequential.<br />
Worst of all though, it is mind numbingly boring.</p></blockquote>
<p>Come on now, if Media Watch doesn&#8217;t monitor the Tootgarook Courier and the Illawarra Trading Post, who will?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Scott</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375326</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 05:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375326</guid>
		<description>Dear people, this has been a long time coming. As technology leaps forward, the law governing "broadcasting" is going to be increasingly irrelevant. Already, every day, through my headphones, as i sit at my workstation, I listen to KJAZZ 88.1 in... Long Beach, California.

How long do you think it will be before electronics manufacturers are going offer "mantel web radios" that will look every bit as retro as a bakelite Astor/AWA/Kriesler, with your fav radio presets fron anywhere, not just within the range of a 1934 model transmitter in Homebush or Richmond so that instead of Alan Jones you will be able to listen to the real thing, Rush Limbaugh? 

Anyone with a wireless network modem and router can do this already. Now, Hardly Normal is offering wireless connection as do a number of mobile phone telcos. Like it's happenin? Now? Okay?

I think Monica has inadvertantly touched on something that will increasingly irritate John Singleton and co: real c-o-m-p-e-t-i-t-i-o-n. No licence rrequired, it is a walk up start, fellow media moguls. I for one am rarin' to go and champin at the bit!!!!

I mean, the barriers to entry are pretty minimal. Anyone who has a web presence can have one. And if you have the talent, like the wonderful Mr Angry, you will be a star, big time.

BTW. It is not Media Watch's brief, really, to monitor the outrages perpetrated on journalists. I mean there's Putinstan writ large. 

Having said that, MW is a tired old thing now and it should be taken behind the barn and...etc etc.

Plagiarism, very hilarious misspellings, and so on. I mean, purleeeze. Yawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear people, this has been a long time coming. As technology leaps forward, the law governing &#8220;broadcasting&#8221; is going to be increasingly irrelevant. Already, every day, through my headphones, as i sit at my workstation, I listen to KJAZZ 88.1 in&#8230; Long Beach, California.</p>
<p>How long do you think it will be before electronics manufacturers are going offer &#8220;mantel web radios&#8221; that will look every bit as retro as a bakelite Astor/AWA/Kriesler, with your fav radio presets fron anywhere, not just within the range of a 1934 model transmitter in Homebush or Richmond so that instead of Alan Jones you will be able to listen to the real thing, Rush Limbaugh? </p>
<p>Anyone with a wireless network modem and router can do this already. Now, Hardly Normal is offering wireless connection as do a number of mobile phone telcos. Like it&#8217;s happenin? Now? Okay?</p>
<p>I think Monica has inadvertantly touched on something that will increasingly irritate John Singleton and co: real c-o-m-p-e-t-i-t-i-o-n. No licence rrequired, it is a walk up start, fellow media moguls. I for one am rarin&#8217; to go and champin at the bit!!!!</p>
<p>I mean, the barriers to entry are pretty minimal. Anyone who has a web presence can have one. And if you have the talent, like the wonderful Mr Angry, you will be a star, big time.</p>
<p>BTW. It is not Media Watch&#8217;s brief, really, to monitor the outrages perpetrated on journalists. I mean there&#8217;s Putinstan writ large. </p>
<p>Having said that, MW is a tired old thing now and it should be taken behind the barn and&#8230;etc etc.</p>
<p>Plagiarism, very hilarious misspellings, and so on. I mean, purleeeze. Yawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375319</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 05:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375319</guid>
		<description>I'm not upset about Media Watch critically examining new media.  I'm just suggesting they are doing a poor job at it, thus far.  For that matter, there's nothing wrong with a critical examination of &lt;em&gt;Cleo&lt;/em&gt; by MW, either - if it's done with an appreciation of the medium and its readers.

Andrew, interesting point, but not one that Attard has actually made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not upset about Media Watch critically examining new media.  I&#8217;m just suggesting they are doing a poor job at it, thus far.  For that matter, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with a critical examination of <em>Cleo</em> by MW, either - if it&#8217;s done with an appreciation of the medium and its readers.</p>
<p>Andrew, interesting point, but not one that Attard has actually made.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375318</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 05:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375318</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On one hand, there was this effort, about unfortunate juxtapositions of advertising and articles on the Fairfax website.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Start using Firefox and the adblocker plugin. Problem solved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On one hand, there was this effort, about unfortunate juxtapositions of advertising and articles on the Fairfax website.</p></blockquote>
<p>Start using Firefox and the adblocker plugin. Problem solved!</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375316</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 05:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375316</guid>
		<description>Media Watch is yet another example, if any more were needed, of the new, emasculated ABC. 
Unable to attack anyone or anything of substance, that may cause &lt;i&gt; shock!! horror!! &lt;/i&gt; controversy, they are left with the small fry, the inconsequential.
Worst of all though, it is mind numbingly boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media Watch is yet another example, if any more were needed, of the new, emasculated ABC.<br />
Unable to attack anyone or anything of substance, that may cause <i> shock!! horror!! </i> controversy, they are left with the small fry, the inconsequential.<br />
Worst of all though, it is mind numbingly boring.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375315</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 05:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375315</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also begs the question as to where is Attard’s &#038; associates’ concern for jailed Chinese journalists, unable to access print, TV or radio media, utilising blogs who have then been turned over to authorities by Yahoo &#038; now languish in Chinese jails.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And Iranian bloggers:

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/120614.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also begs the question as to where is Attard’s &#038; associates’ concern for jailed Chinese journalists, unable to access print, TV or radio media, utilising blogs who have then been turned over to authorities by Yahoo &#038; now languish in Chinese jails.</p></blockquote>
<p>And Iranian bloggers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reason.com/blog/show/120614.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.reason.com/blog/show/120614.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bernice</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375312</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 05:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375312</guid>
		<description>Also begs the question as to where is Attard's &#38; associates' concern for jailed Chinese journalists, unable to access print, TV or radio media, utilising blogs who have then been turned over to authorities by Yahoo &#38; now languish in Chinese jails. 
There is quite a bit of &lt;a href="http://www.themonthly.com.au/currentIssue/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;chat&lt;/a&gt; about at present as to the future of journalism, &#38; I wonder if Attard's position springs as much from concern as to erosion of journalistic freedoms, the maintenance of professional standards, and the ever shifting fingers of control. 
&#38; frankly, some of the on-air callers on Jones, Laws etc etc fare hardly better than her worst of....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also begs the question as to where is Attard&#8217;s &amp; associates&#8217; concern for jailed Chinese journalists, unable to access print, TV or radio media, utilising blogs who have then been turned over to authorities by Yahoo &amp; now languish in Chinese jails.<br />
There is quite a bit of <a href="http://www.themonthly.com.au/currentIssue/index.html" rel="nofollow">chat</a> about at present as to the future of journalism, &amp; I wonder if Attard&#8217;s position springs as much from concern as to erosion of journalistic freedoms, the maintenance of professional standards, and the ever shifting fingers of control.<br />
&amp; frankly, some of the on-air callers on Jones, Laws etc etc fare hardly better than her worst of&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375307</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375307</guid>
		<description>Yeah, mediawatch has sucked since David Marr left. He was always hilarious, and actually pointed things out. His longrunning feud with Alan Jones was always amusing as well.

The current mediawatch has turned into little more than a high school English essay. It is so boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, mediawatch has sucked since David Marr left. He was always hilarious, and actually pointed things out. His longrunning feud with Alan Jones was always amusing as well.</p>
<p>The current mediawatch has turned into little more than a high school English essay. It is so boring.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375289</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375289</guid>
		<description>Robert Merckel

You make a very valid point about spaces that do not profess to being "in the same 'journalism' business" as MSM. But then again, neither does talkback radio, and nobody seems upset at Media Watch "watching" talkback radio. Of course, excpetions to this include things like 'cash for comments' (arguably Media's Watch finest moment.).


While it might be necessary to do so, I am bored to tears with Monica's TT and ACA obsession. Who watches those programs expecting Pulitzer Prize winners?

Thank god for Desperate Housewives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Merckel</p>
<p>You make a very valid point about spaces that do not profess to being &#8220;in the same &#8216;journalism&#8217; business&#8221; as MSM. But then again, neither does talkback radio, and nobody seems upset at Media Watch &#8220;watching&#8221; talkback radio. Of course, excpetions to this include things like &#8216;cash for comments&#8217; (arguably Media&#8217;s Watch finest moment.).</p>
<p>While it might be necessary to do so, I am bored to tears with Monica&#8217;s TT and ACA obsession. Who watches those programs expecting Pulitzer Prize winners?</p>
<p>Thank god for Desperate Housewives!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Scott</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375283</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375283</guid>
		<description>Nah, I think the on-air media luvvies (oops) are shitting themselves as they are kind of looking over their shoulder as the punter empire strikes back. Yo! &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXCFGZ9Y0u4" rel="nofollow"&gt; LINK &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, I think the on-air media luvvies (oops) are shitting themselves as they are kind of looking over their shoulder as the punter empire strikes back. Yo! <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXCFGZ9Y0u4" rel="nofollow"> LINK </a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375280</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375280</guid>
		<description>The difference between "the media" and people publishing/broadcasting stuff over the internet is increasingly arbitrary, rather than based on any fundamental differences.  I think Media Watch has a valid point when it points out that authorities like ACMA are stuck policing an arbitrary subset of publishing and broadcasting, an inconsistency that serves no good purpose.  It's clearly ridiculous that radio-via-radio-waves is subject to different rules than radio-via-internet, and credit should go to Media Watch for trying to bring more people's attention to this.

At some point law makers and regulators are going to have to have a long hard think about what, if any, significant difference there is between News Corporation publishing a newspaper and selling it on the streets, and some person publishing stuff to a blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between &#8220;the media&#8221; and people publishing/broadcasting stuff over the internet is increasingly arbitrary, rather than based on any fundamental differences.  I think Media Watch has a valid point when it points out that authorities like ACMA are stuck policing an arbitrary subset of publishing and broadcasting, an inconsistency that serves no good purpose.  It&#8217;s clearly ridiculous that radio-via-radio-waves is subject to different rules than radio-via-internet, and credit should go to Media Watch for trying to bring more people&#8217;s attention to this.</p>
<p>At some point law makers and regulators are going to have to have a long hard think about what, if any, significant difference there is between News Corporation publishing a newspaper and selling it on the streets, and some person publishing stuff to a blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375267</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's leftie moral panic and there's rightie moral panic.

Leftie moral panic revolves around folks saying naughty things about each other.

Rightie moral panic revolves around the disturbing proposition that other folk are having more fun than you are.

The one constant is the existence of moral panic.

And doesn't the internet provide enough scary stuff to fuel the most gargantuan moral panics?

Up until now in Australia the right has done most of the running vis-a-vis nailing down the Dreaded Toobs of Filth. I guess the right can feel slightly gratified that filth can find no home on Aussie ISPs. Has anyone noticed the difference?

I'm more concerned about the dirigiste left in relation to this issue. The dead hand of statist regulation of actual content could end up being a really annoying inconvenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s leftie moral panic and there&#8217;s rightie moral panic.</p>
<p>Leftie moral panic revolves around folks saying naughty things about each other.</p>
<p>Rightie moral panic revolves around the disturbing proposition that other folk are having more fun than you are.</p>
<p>The one constant is the existence of moral panic.</p>
<p>And doesn&#8217;t the internet provide enough scary stuff to fuel the most gargantuan moral panics?</p>
<p>Up until now in Australia the right has done most of the running vis-a-vis nailing down the Dreaded Toobs of Filth. I guess the right can feel slightly gratified that filth can find no home on Aussie ISPs. Has anyone noticed the difference?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more concerned about the dirigiste left in relation to this issue. The dead hand of statist regulation of actual content could end up being a really annoying inconvenience.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375266</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  Checking her &lt;a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Attard" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wikipedia biography&lt;/a&gt;, it seems that all her work has either been in radio or television.  So it's possible that she might not have realised that this kind of thing happens in the print media all the time.

But surely the &lt;em&gt;Media Watch&lt;/em&gt; production team includes people who've worked extensively in print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  Checking her <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Attard" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia biography</a>, it seems that all her work has either been in radio or television.  So it&#8217;s possible that she might not have realised that this kind of thing happens in the print media all the time.</p>
<p>But surely the <em>Media Watch</em> production team includes people who&#8217;ve worked extensively in print.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375264</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/08/media-watch-and-the-internet/#comment-375264</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Robert. This may well arouse more snarky feedback than Keating did last night&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, no. Ailurophiles are above this kind of pettiness.

As for Attard, that's an astonishing blind spot (or, worse, bit of bad faith) about unfortunate juxtapositions. Newspapers and magazines have been doing that &lt;em&gt;for evah&lt;/em&gt;; you can pick up any day's tabloid in any city and find at least one example to make you wince. Anyone who's ever done layout, before or after computers, will know that you bung the ads in wherever there's a correctly shaped space for them on whatever page was paid for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Robert. This may well arouse more snarky feedback than Keating did last night</p></blockquote>
<p>No, no. Ailurophiles are above this kind of pettiness.</p>
<p>As for Attard, that&#8217;s an astonishing blind spot (or, worse, bit of bad faith) about unfortunate juxtapositions. Newspapers and magazines have been doing that <em>for evah</em>; you can pick up any day&#8217;s tabloid in any city and find at least one example to make you wince. Anyone who&#8217;s ever done layout, before or after computers, will know that you bung the ads in wherever there&#8217;s a correctly shaped space for them on whatever page was paid for.</p>
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