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	<title>Comments on: APEC and climate change after the G8</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/</link>
	<description>Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375922</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375922</guid>
		<description>Thanks, Harry. Clearly we could expect the same treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Harry. Clearly we could expect the same treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: harry clarke</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375895</link>
		<dc:creator>harry clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375895</guid>
		<description>Here is one quote.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/world/europe/01climate.html?ei=5090&#38;en=718095d16a7c2e7f&#38;ex=1327986000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is one quote.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/world/europe/01climate.html?ei=5090&amp;en=718095d16a7c2e7f&amp;ex=1327986000" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/world/europe/01climate.html?ei=5090&amp;en=718095d16a7c2e7f&amp;ex=1327986000</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375841</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375841</guid>
		<description>"he" referring back to Monbiot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;he&#8221; referring back to Monbiot!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375839</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375839</guid>
		<description>Robert, I'd need to check it again, but I think he was making the point in principle. You know, the average Ethiopian vs the average Brit.

Harry, do you have more detail or a link on that European challenge to the US? I thought I heard something about it on radio, but on second thoughts it was &lt;a href="http://au.biz.yahoo.com/070608/33/19ouo.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this one about Canada&lt;/a&gt;.

You'd have to make sure that the WTO had it's head on straight, though, because some of their rulings don't seem to have much to do with the public interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I&#8217;d need to check it again, but I think he was making the point in principle. You know, the average Ethiopian vs the average Brit.</p>
<p>Harry, do you have more detail or a link on that European challenge to the US? I thought I heard something about it on radio, but on second thoughts it was <a href="http://au.biz.yahoo.com/070608/33/19ouo.html" rel="nofollow">this one about Canada</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d have to make sure that the WTO had it&#8217;s head on straight, though, because some of their rulings don&#8217;t seem to have much to do with the public interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375838</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375838</guid>
		<description>Harry, in case it was not clear, I was referring to trading individual carbon credits between citizens of random third world places and random first world places.

In most of Africa and large parts of Asia, I doubt much of the money would ever reach the slums or the outlying villages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, in case it was not clear, I was referring to trading individual carbon credits between citizens of random third world places and random first world places.</p>
<p>In most of Africa and large parts of Asia, I doubt much of the money would ever reach the slums or the outlying villages.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Clarke</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375831</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375831</guid>
		<description>Imposing a global environmental tax on carbon emissions and imposing counterveiling tariffs on the exports of countries that do not comply has several advantages: (i) It is universal; (ii) it promotes taxes which attack bads (greenhouse gas pollution) not gopood things (work effort, savings)and (iii) it is economically efficient - maximising the value of world trade less carbon emmission costs. 

Moreover, it is not 'pie in the sky' stuff since it is already happening with European moves to tackle unpaid for US emissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imposing a global environmental tax on carbon emissions and imposing counterveiling tariffs on the exports of countries that do not comply has several advantages: (i) It is universal; (ii) it promotes taxes which attack bads (greenhouse gas pollution) not gopood things (work effort, savings)and (iii) it is economically efficient - maximising the value of world trade less carbon emmission costs. </p>
<p>Moreover, it is not &#8216;pie in the sky&#8217; stuff since it is already happening with European moves to tackle unpaid for US emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375825</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 06:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375825</guid>
		<description>It's an interesting idea, Brian, but on first glance sounds impractical.

How in the hell would you ensure fraud was kept at acceptable levels?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting idea, Brian, but on first glance sounds impractical.</p>
<p>How in the hell would you ensure fraud was kept at acceptable levels?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375822</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 06:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375822</guid>
		<description>Robert, sorry to hear you were crook. I thought you might have gone away!

Carbon tariffs are worth thinking about. It's just an extension of polluter pays to the international level.

Monbiot has a different notion which he doesn't seriously pursue, because his focus is on what to do about Britain.

He suggests that everyone on the planet could have a personal carbon credit based on their equal shares and with limits determined by what the planet can absorb. This could lead to significant wealth transfers as poor peasants sold their credits to rich consumers over the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, sorry to hear you were crook. I thought you might have gone away!</p>
<p>Carbon tariffs are worth thinking about. It&#8217;s just an extension of polluter pays to the international level.</p>
<p>Monbiot has a different notion which he doesn&#8217;t seriously pursue, because his focus is on what to do about Britain.</p>
<p>He suggests that everyone on the planet could have a personal carbon credit based on their equal shares and with limits determined by what the planet can absorb. This could lead to significant wealth transfers as poor peasants sold their credits to rich consumers over the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375819</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 05:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375819</guid>
		<description>I was meaning to do a post on China's recently announced greenhouse policy, but have been crook the past couple of days (over it now).  

The short version is that while the document lays out just how much damage global warming will do to China, and there's a whole pile of low-hanging fruit they're going to tackle, there's absolutely no commitment to set emissions targets.  But they're considerably advanced on India, who haven't really admitted it's a problem yet (I wonder how they'll feel if a couple of hundred million Bangladeshi Muslims need resettlement in a few decades' time...).  

&lt;a HREF="http://kalimna.blogspot.com/2006/07/stiglitz-on-global-warming.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Carbon tariffs&lt;/a&gt; is something we'll be hearing more about pretty soon, methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was meaning to do a post on China&#8217;s recently announced greenhouse policy, but have been crook the past couple of days (over it now).  </p>
<p>The short version is that while the document lays out just how much damage global warming will do to China, and there&#8217;s a whole pile of low-hanging fruit they&#8217;re going to tackle, there&#8217;s absolutely no commitment to set emissions targets.  But they&#8217;re considerably advanced on India, who haven&#8217;t really admitted it&#8217;s a problem yet (I wonder how they&#8217;ll feel if a couple of hundred million Bangladeshi Muslims need resettlement in a few decades&#8217; time&#8230;).  </p>
<p><a HREF="http://kalimna.blogspot.com/2006/07/stiglitz-on-global-warming.html" rel="nofollow">Carbon tariffs</a> is something we&#8217;ll be hearing more about pretty soon, methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: pablo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375777</link>
		<dc:creator>pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 01:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/11/apec-and-climate-change-after-the-g8/#comment-375777</guid>
		<description>Good overview Brian and sobering links. I tend to agree with you that APEC will just be too tempting for the Rodent to not want to play the statesman facing re-election and grandstand. The misuse this occasion may provide some participants will not worry Howard and Downer one jot.
 'It's the final communique stupid' ...that will be waved at us as the election countdown begins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good overview Brian and sobering links. I tend to agree with you that APEC will just be too tempting for the Rodent to not want to play the statesman facing re-election and grandstand. The misuse this occasion may provide some participants will not worry Howard and Downer one jot.<br />
 &#8216;It&#8217;s the final communique stupid&#8217; &#8230;that will be waved at us as the election countdown begins.</p>
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