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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-651749</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is obviously a lot to know about this.  I think you made some good points in Features also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is obviously a lot to know about this.  I think you made some good points in Features also.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379568</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark

My dear, you really need to check your birth certificate before buying such retro print Bibles. What is the magazine equivalent of &quot;mutton dressed up as lamb?&quot; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark</p>
<p>My dear, you really need to check your birth certificate before buying such retro print Bibles. What is the magazine equivalent of &#8220;mutton dressed up as lamb?&#8221; <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379445</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re - English publications. Bring back THE FACE! Is it no longer published in the UK, or has it just been not imported by Oz newsagents for some years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8211; English publications. Bring back THE FACE! Is it no longer published in the UK, or has it just been not imported by Oz newsagents for some years?</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379404</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not buy Australian newspapers. 

I save my five and ten cent pieces for The Economist, The Atlantic, Harpers, Daedelus, Private Eye, the Spectaor, Viz, MAD, English Vogue, and Tatler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not buy Australian newspapers. </p>
<p>I save my five and ten cent pieces for The Economist, The Atlantic, Harpers, Daedelus, Private Eye, the Spectaor, Viz, MAD, English Vogue, and Tatler.</p>
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		<title>By: Megami</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379373</link>
		<dc:creator>Megami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another one here who gets all news online - I no longer read the &#039;real&#039; hardcopy thing (and my fave is the Guardian anyway - costs too much to buy here in Australia!) Rarely even watch TV news - it&#039;s just ABC RN or Newsradio and the interweb for this household. That said, I get to read my online news at work.

However - do we really think our reading is more broad than the old MSM? Could it just be that we stick to our niches even more when we have speciality &#039;press&#039; that caters to our own prejudices? I have ended up leaving more than one blog I loved when I found out (usually through a commenter) that they got their facts wrong, or at very least spun them mercilessly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another one here who gets all news online &#8211; I no longer read the &#8216;real&#8217; hardcopy thing (and my fave is the Guardian anyway &#8211; costs too much to buy here in Australia!) Rarely even watch TV news &#8211; it&#8217;s just ABC RN or Newsradio and the interweb for this household. That said, I get to read my online news at work.</p>
<p>However &#8211; do we really think our reading is more broad than the old MSM? Could it just be that we stick to our niches even more when we have speciality &#8216;press&#8217; that caters to our own prejudices? I have ended up leaving more than one blog I loved when I found out (usually through a commenter) that they got their facts wrong, or at very least spun them mercilessly.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379359</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wbb said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;.... I  hump the laptop on the kitchen table. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

i&#039;m not surprised that I&#039;m not surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wbb said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;. I  hump the laptop on the kitchen table. </p></blockquote>
<p>i&#8217;m not surprised that I&#8217;m not surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379313</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came across this quote from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/elgrito/2007/02/gleam_on_the_national_product.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Unapologetic Mexican&lt;/a&gt;, via &lt;a href=&quot;http://pandagon.net/2007/02/07/sometimes-i-almost-feel-just-like-a-human-being/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pandagon&lt;/a&gt;. I love it!
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Bloggers are not a new species. They (WE) are nothing special, nothing strange, nothing unknown. BLOGGERS ARE PEOPLE. It’s just been so long since real people’s voices were actually represented in media or politics that when you begin hearing them, they sound so—ew—so…human! I mean, they take STRONG stands n shit! They actually let themselves get eMOTIONal about war and human suffering and stuff. Surely not glossy enough, not powdered, puffed, sanitized, fumigated, or fluffed enough!
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across this quote from <a href="http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/elgrito/2007/02/gleam_on_the_national_product.html" rel="nofollow">the Unapologetic Mexican</a>, via <a href="http://pandagon.net/2007/02/07/sometimes-i-almost-feel-just-like-a-human-being/" rel="nofollow">Pandagon</a>. I love it!</p>
<blockquote><p>
Bloggers are not a new species. They (WE) are nothing special, nothing strange, nothing unknown. BLOGGERS ARE PEOPLE. It’s just been so long since real people’s voices were actually represented in media or politics that when you begin hearing them, they sound so—ew—so…human! I mean, they take STRONG stands n shit! They actually let themselves get eMOTIONal about war and human suffering and stuff. Surely not glossy enough, not powdered, puffed, sanitized, fumigated, or fluffed enough!
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379273</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[&lt;b&gt;Update&lt;/b&gt;: Via a commenter at Troppo, a simpler way to find the interview &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/rn/saturdayextra/default.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;online&lt;/a&gt;.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[<b>Update</b>: Via a commenter at Troppo, a simpler way to find the interview <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/saturdayextra/default.htm" rel="nofollow">online</a>.]</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379247</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to my trusty electric razor, the day begins with a shave and a read of the feeds on My.Yahoo (don&#039;t need a mirror any more, after all these years I pretty much know where my face is).

I still buy the &lt;em&gt;SMH&lt;/em&gt; for features more than news, but have basically stopped watching TV news (most days the ABC just reads the &lt;em&gt;SMH&lt;/em&gt; main stories anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to my trusty electric razor, the day begins with a shave and a read of the feeds on My.Yahoo (don&#8217;t need a mirror any more, after all these years I pretty much know where my face is).</p>
<p>I still buy the <em>SMH</em> for features more than news, but have basically stopped watching TV news (most days the ABC just reads the <em>SMH</em> main stories anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: Angharad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379243</link>
		<dc:creator>Angharad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By day I consume MSM, but when it gets dark I&#039;m mostly reading online.  

I&#039;m a traditional newspaper reader in the morning - SMH gets delivered and I read it over breakfast while listening to RN. I get to then end of the paper which means I have to get ready and go to work at that point.  The blogosphere never ends - if I turned on the computer in the morning I reckon I&#039;d never leave the house! 

Then I read the Tele on the train to work so I pick up a bit of gratuitous outrage and try to flick through the Oz and AFR over lunch - because they are there and I can. 

Must do something with all this information one day :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By day I consume MSM, but when it gets dark I&#8217;m mostly reading online.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a traditional newspaper reader in the morning &#8211; SMH gets delivered and I read it over breakfast while listening to RN. I get to then end of the paper which means I have to get ready and go to work at that point.  The blogosphere never ends &#8211; if I turned on the computer in the morning I reckon I&#8217;d never leave the house! </p>
<p>Then I read the Tele on the train to work so I pick up a bit of gratuitous outrage and try to flick through the Oz and AFR over lunch &#8211; because they are there and I can. </p>
<p>Must do something with all this information one day <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: woulfe</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379239</link>
		<dc:creator>woulfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Phil, for reminding the chromosomally-named generations that they don&#039;t own the interthingies. 

This boomer consumes a bowl of weetbix with soy milk in front of the computer, and picks up a coffee on the way to work. The aggregator is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.netvibes.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Netvibes&lt;/a&gt;, though the huge amount of bandwidth it uses is attracting the evil eye of my employer&#039;s network manager, so I think I&#039;ll take the advice and see if Google Reader makes a difference at work.

I haven&#039;t been able to wean myself off Monday&#039;s (Doug Anderson&#039;s reviews in the TV program) and Saturday&#039;s Herald. 

The ABC&#039;s changes to the news site are very impressive, particularly the tagging, and the ability to set up your own tags on the main page. Quite possibly, they&#039;re working on implementing Mark&#039;s suggestions right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Phil, for reminding the chromosomally-named generations that they don&#8217;t own the interthingies. </p>
<p>This boomer consumes a bowl of weetbix with soy milk in front of the computer, and picks up a coffee on the way to work. The aggregator is <a href="http://www.netvibes.com" rel="nofollow">Netvibes</a>, though the huge amount of bandwidth it uses is attracting the evil eye of my employer&#8217;s network manager, so I think I&#8217;ll take the advice and see if Google Reader makes a difference at work.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been able to wean myself off Monday&#8217;s (Doug Anderson&#8217;s reviews in the TV program) and Saturday&#8217;s Herald. </p>
<p>The ABC&#8217;s changes to the news site are very impressive, particularly the tagging, and the ability to set up your own tags on the main page. Quite possibly, they&#8217;re working on implementing Mark&#8217;s suggestions right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379210</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, and if they&#039;re that interested, you&#039;d think they could buy one of his books for the dust jacket photo... and even perhaps words as well as pictures.

He always does pose for photos, I&#039;ve noticed, as a sort of rakish intellectual type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, and if they&#8217;re that interested, you&#8217;d think they could buy one of his books for the dust jacket photo&#8230; and even perhaps words as well as pictures.</p>
<p>He always does pose for photos, I&#8217;ve noticed, as a sort of rakish intellectual type.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379206</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it&#039;s a mystery to me, I can&#039;t imagine that if they know to do searches about him that they don&#039;t already know perfectly well what he looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it&#8217;s a mystery to me, I can&#8217;t imagine that if they know to do searches about him that they don&#8217;t already know perfectly well what he looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379205</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, Laura. She&#039;s certainly not as bad as some - ie Trioli.

Why do people want to see pictures of Zizek? I guess that&#039;s an imponderable along the Missy Higgins lesbian lines...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, Laura. She&#8217;s certainly not as bad as some &#8211; ie Trioli.</p>
<p>Why do people want to see pictures of Zizek? I guess that&#8217;s an imponderable along the Missy Higgins lesbian lines&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379193</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Mark, I think you&#039;re being a bit hard on Geraldine Doogue - I&#039;ve already said so here http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/saturday-salon-104/#comment-379182 .  150 visitors a day is nothing to be ashamed of - I only have about 70 a day, most of whom are looking for pictures of Slavoj Zizek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Mark, I think you&#8217;re being a bit hard on Geraldine Doogue &#8211; I&#8217;ve already said so here <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/saturday-salon-104/#comment-379182" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/saturday-salon-104/#comment-379182</a> .  150 visitors a day is nothing to be ashamed of &#8211; I only have about 70 a day, most of whom are looking for pictures of Slavoj Zizek.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379191</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mind you, I&#039;ve got into trouble myself with one friend of mine by arguing that IM-ing isn&#039;t the same as catching up and chatting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind you, I&#8217;ve got into trouble myself with one friend of mine by arguing that IM-ing isn&#8217;t the same as catching up and chatting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379190</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sometimes we IM each other.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

See? Social interaction, just a bit intermediated! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sometimes we IM each other.</p></blockquote>
<p>See? Social interaction, just a bit intermediated! <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379186</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Mark, it is much sadder than reading newspapers, because at least with a newspaper there&#039;s a 50% chance you&#039;ll lay it flat on the table and look up occasionally at the person opposite you.  With laptops the screen part forms a little fence down the middle of the breakfast table.  Newspapers you tend to trade sections, also.   

When I read and comment on blogs, my mind is elsewhere, off in cyberspace somewhere.  When I read a book or newspaper or something similar I&#039;m much less removed from my physical surroundings.  

Of course, right now D &amp; me are both sitting on the couch writing things on blogs.  Sometimes we IM each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Mark, it is much sadder than reading newspapers, because at least with a newspaper there&#8217;s a 50% chance you&#8217;ll lay it flat on the table and look up occasionally at the person opposite you.  With laptops the screen part forms a little fence down the middle of the breakfast table.  Newspapers you tend to trade sections, also.   </p>
<p>When I read and comment on blogs, my mind is elsewhere, off in cyberspace somewhere.  When I read a book or newspaper or something similar I&#8217;m much less removed from my physical surroundings.  </p>
<p>Of course, right now D &#038; me are both sitting on the couch writing things on blogs.  Sometimes we IM each other.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379185</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno why it&#039;s sad, Mark. But it is firmly posited within my abode - and without embarrassment - that I am a sad person if I ever hump the laptop to the kitchen table. Newspapers are socially acceptable. However I do see that this will change.

(There&#039;s something about the physical contortions you can put a newspaper thru that allow one to pretend a certain domestic devotion that the billboard strain of a PC screen still prohibits.)

But speaking of radio - now there&#039;s a medium. Mornings would not really be morning without the ABC filling the aural spaces of ablative weekday motion to the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno why it&#8217;s sad, Mark. But it is firmly posited within my abode &#8211; and without embarrassment &#8211; that I am a sad person if I ever hump the laptop to the kitchen table. Newspapers are socially acceptable. However I do see that this will change.</p>
<p>(There&#8217;s something about the physical contortions you can put a newspaper thru that allow one to pretend a certain domestic devotion that the billboard strain of a PC screen still prohibits.)</p>
<p>But speaking of radio &#8211; now there&#8217;s a medium. Mornings would not really be morning without the ABC filling the aural spaces of ablative weekday motion to the door.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/gruen-on-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-379178</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why&#039;s it sad, though? Would it be less sad if you were reading paper newspapers? I was talking about this aspect to my friend last night as well and we decided that spending, say, three hours one night reading and interacting on blogs is a lot more worthwhile than slumping in front of free to air teev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why&#8217;s it sad, though? Would it be less sad if you were reading paper newspapers? I was talking about this aspect to my friend last night as well and we decided that spending, say, three hours one night reading and interacting on blogs is a lot more worthwhile than slumping in front of free to air teev.</p>
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