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	<title>Comments on: Free TradeÂ©, Fair TradeÂ® &#038; the &#8220;Free Market of Ideas&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Spiros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The IPA likes the free market, regardless of whether the free market delivers competition or a monopoly. Thus, they are against the ACCC, whose job it is stop monopolies abusing their power, though evidently not so against the ACCC that they won't appeal to it opportunistically, such as in this instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IPA likes the free market, regardless of whether the free market delivers competition or a monopoly. Thus, they are against the ACCC, whose job it is stop monopolies abusing their power, though evidently not so against the ACCC that they won&#8217;t appeal to it opportunistically, such as in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The IPA are also hired guns against National Competition Policy and the ACCC on behalf of big business. Their interpretation of the 'free market' is a bit selective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IPA are also hired guns against National Competition Policy and the ACCC on behalf of big business. Their interpretation of the &#8216;free market&#8217; is a bit selective.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The IPA has probably set up more fraudulent front groups than the Comintern did, they are also hired guns &lt;a href="http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6019" rel="nofollow"&gt;against&lt;/a&gt; National Competition Policy and hate the ACCC. They have a very selective interpretation of the 'free market'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IPA has probably set up more fraudulent front groups than the Comintern did, they are also hired guns <a href="http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6019" rel="nofollow">against</a> National Competition Policy and hate the ACCC. They have a very selective interpretation of the &#8216;free market&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Lazarus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Itâ€™s a bit cheeky for the IPAâ€™s to take up this interest in free trade in coffee, seeing as coffee trade has been for years tightly organised by a cartel called the International Coffee Organization, which itself admits to having fixed the market for years:

â€œThe ICO operated a quota system, whereby coffee supplies in excess of consumer requirements were withheld from the market, on and off from 1962 to 1989, when the system was suspended because of failure to agree on quota distribution.â€?  1

This sure sounds to me like a price maintenance agreement, whereby you restrict supply to the addicts until the price goes up. Not entirely unlike OPEC 
and oil companies.

But anyone taking the IPAâ€™s shilling must be aware that IPA has been floating on oil money for a long time. Indeed, IPAâ€™s reason for existing is to buy academics to do some special pleading to governments and to sway public opinion on behalf of its corporate sponsors. While it does this, the IPA shamelessly sucks the public titty by way of tax breaks for its multinational corporate benefactors. (Yes, you heard right. IPA is some sort of charity apparently; donations to it are tax deductible.)

But let us not be shocked that IPAâ€™s soldiers are a disingenuous lot. Here are some lovely moments from IPA-style disinterested inquiry. Eric Windholz was/is an IPA director and also a director of corporate relations for the world's largest tobacco company, Philip Morris. Here is a snippet:

â€œSALLY NEIGHBOUR: Eric Windholz, why shouldn't Philip Morris be sued for false and misleading conduct and or negligence?

ERIC WINDHOLZ, PHILIP MORRIS: Well, first of all, let me just say that our legal advice is very strong and very clear. Based on what we understand the attorneys-general are considering, we have very strong defences. Our advice is that the case would be speculative and have poor prospects of success.

But also let me say that I don't think that anyone is served going back into the past and trying to analyse what companies did or didn't know, or did or didn't do.

That will cost millions of dollars in lawyers' fees and tie up the court for months.

We are better-served as a community in trying to have a reasonable rational dialogue about what is the best way of dealing with tobacco issues in our society.

Is it through consultation, cooperation, dialogue, trying to seek common ground, or are we going to run off to the courts and engage in confrontation, time-consuming and very expensive litigation?â€? 2 

IP spawned the Sydney Institute. Indeed it was the Sydney Institute of Public Affairs until Gerard changed the name when he took over the franchise. It operates in the same way: corporate sponsors pay it to make public representations on its behalf as it pretends to discuss issues of public importance in the free marketplace of ideas, while being very coy about who its donors are. 

In 2003 Gerard said that who funds the Institute was not relevant because the organisation didn't â€œlobbyâ€? governments. His column in the Smage was "totally separate", he said. 3. 

Right. 

But googling Gerry reveals that:
â€œHenderson has attracted publicity over a $10,000 â€˜charitable donationâ€™ given to the institute by Philip Morris in 1993. Before then he wrote in support of tobacco industry positions, describing smokers as a â€˜disadvantaged minorityâ€™ and criticising â€˜social regulatorsâ€™. â€“ Herald article by Brad Norrington, August 12, 2003.
While Sydney Institute chairman, Meredith Hellicar, confirmed that donors remained anonymous except for "those who've been happy to out themselves." 4. 

So how can we judge? Believe Hendo at face value?

BTW, if the name sounds familiar to prodders, Meredith Hellicar was the person who was the chairman of Hardy Industries during the compensation payments to mesothelioma sufferers debacle. It was a very tacky performance.

Googling Meredith shows a cv of â€œover 20 years of senior executive experience in the oil, coal, logistics, legal and financial services industries.â€?

IPAâ€™s benefactors - like Gerrard and Anneâ€™s little franchise in Sydney - include Shell, Western Mining, BHP Billiton, and tobacco companies British and American Tobacco and Philip Morris.

IPA has been, if anything but consistent, taking up pro-free-market, pro-privatisation, pro-deregulation and anti-union agenda. 

That is why it took my breath away for sheer chutzpah when I read that IPA Executive Director John Roskam objected to the group being described as being "right wing". He told Crikey: â€œ"We are many things â€“ but 'right wing' is not one of them. Any combination of free market, liberal, conservative (on some issues), liberal/conservative, (even) libertarian (on occasion), would be an appropriate description of the IPA â€“ but not right wing. Since when has being in favour of small government, lower taxes, and less government been 'right wing'? 5

Yeah, right. IPA strongly campaigned against the ratification of the Kyoto Protocol, gone into bat for genetically engineered crops and advocated for the logging of native forests. The  IPA has also been contributing to the free market of  by coming up with the front groups such as the Australian Environment Foundation, which campaigns for weaker environmental laws, Independent Contractors of Australia, which campaigns for an end to workplace safety laws and a general deregulation of the labour market; and Owner Drivers Australia, which campaigns against safety and work standard for truck drivers.

Just remember prodders, itâ€™s all about choice (as in Work Choices) and freedom as in Arbeit Macht Frei. 
	
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1--  ico.org/show_faq.asp?show=8 (all web refs have www http in front)
2--  abc.net.au/lateline/archives/s113020.htm
3-- amp.com.au/group/2column/0,2445,CH944%5FCT5%5FCI12684%5FSI3,00.html
4-- Opcit. ibid.
5-- crikey.com.au/Comments/20070316-Comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Itâ€™s a bit cheeky for the IPAâ€™s to take up this interest in free trade in coffee, seeing as coffee trade has been for years tightly organised by a cartel called the International Coffee Organization, which itself admits to having fixed the market for years:</p>
<p>â€œThe ICO operated a quota system, whereby coffee supplies in excess of consumer requirements were withheld from the market, on and off from 1962 to 1989, when the system was suspended because of failure to agree on quota distribution.â€?  1</p>
<p>This sure sounds to me like a price maintenance agreement, whereby you restrict supply to the addicts until the price goes up. Not entirely unlike OPEC<br />
and oil companies.</p>
<p>But anyone taking the IPAâ€™s shilling must be aware that IPA has been floating on oil money for a long time. Indeed, IPAâ€™s reason for existing is to buy academics to do some special pleading to governments and to sway public opinion on behalf of its corporate sponsors. While it does this, the IPA shamelessly sucks the public titty by way of tax breaks for its multinational corporate benefactors. (Yes, you heard right. IPA is some sort of charity apparently; donations to it are tax deductible.)</p>
<p>But let us not be shocked that IPAâ€™s soldiers are a disingenuous lot. Here are some lovely moments from IPA-style disinterested inquiry. Eric Windholz was/is an IPA director and also a director of corporate relations for the world&#8217;s largest tobacco company, Philip Morris. Here is a snippet:</p>
<p>â€œSALLY NEIGHBOUR: Eric Windholz, why shouldn&#8217;t Philip Morris be sued for false and misleading conduct and or negligence?</p>
<p>ERIC WINDHOLZ, PHILIP MORRIS: Well, first of all, let me just say that our legal advice is very strong and very clear. Based on what we understand the attorneys-general are considering, we have very strong defences. Our advice is that the case would be speculative and have poor prospects of success.</p>
<p>But also let me say that I don&#8217;t think that anyone is served going back into the past and trying to analyse what companies did or didn&#8217;t know, or did or didn&#8217;t do.</p>
<p>That will cost millions of dollars in lawyers&#8217; fees and tie up the court for months.</p>
<p>We are better-served as a community in trying to have a reasonable rational dialogue about what is the best way of dealing with tobacco issues in our society.</p>
<p>Is it through consultation, cooperation, dialogue, trying to seek common ground, or are we going to run off to the courts and engage in confrontation, time-consuming and very expensive litigation?â€? 2 </p>
<p>IP spawned the Sydney Institute. Indeed it was the Sydney Institute of Public Affairs until Gerard changed the name when he took over the franchise. It operates in the same way: corporate sponsors pay it to make public representations on its behalf as it pretends to discuss issues of public importance in the free marketplace of ideas, while being very coy about who its donors are. </p>
<p>In 2003 Gerard said that who funds the Institute was not relevant because the organisation didn&#8217;t â€œlobbyâ€? governments. His column in the Smage was &#8220;totally separate&#8221;, he said. 3. </p>
<p>Right. </p>
<p>But googling Gerry reveals that:<br />
â€œHenderson has attracted publicity over a $10,000 â€˜charitable donationâ€™ given to the institute by Philip Morris in 1993. Before then he wrote in support of tobacco industry positions, describing smokers as a â€˜disadvantaged minorityâ€™ and criticising â€˜social regulatorsâ€™. â€“ Herald article by Brad Norrington, August 12, 2003.<br />
While Sydney Institute chairman, Meredith Hellicar, confirmed that donors remained anonymous except for &#8220;those who&#8217;ve been happy to out themselves.&#8221; 4. </p>
<p>So how can we judge? Believe Hendo at face value?</p>
<p>BTW, if the name sounds familiar to prodders, Meredith Hellicar was the person who was the chairman of Hardy Industries during the compensation payments to mesothelioma sufferers debacle. It was a very tacky performance.</p>
<p>Googling Meredith shows a cv of â€œover 20 years of senior executive experience in the oil, coal, logistics, legal and financial services industries.â€?</p>
<p>IPAâ€™s benefactors - like Gerrard and Anneâ€™s little franchise in Sydney - include Shell, Western Mining, BHP Billiton, and tobacco companies British and American Tobacco and Philip Morris.</p>
<p>IPA has been, if anything but consistent, taking up pro-free-market, pro-privatisation, pro-deregulation and anti-union agenda. </p>
<p>That is why it took my breath away for sheer chutzpah when I read that IPA Executive Director John Roskam objected to the group being described as being &#8220;right wing&#8221;. He told Crikey: â€œ&#8221;We are many things â€“ but &#8216;right wing&#8217; is not one of them. Any combination of free market, liberal, conservative (on some issues), liberal/conservative, (even) libertarian (on occasion), would be an appropriate description of the IPA â€“ but not right wing. Since when has being in favour of small government, lower taxes, and less government been &#8216;right wing&#8217;? 5</p>
<p>Yeah, right. IPA strongly campaigned against the ratification of the Kyoto Protocol, gone into bat for genetically engineered crops and advocated for the logging of native forests. The  IPA has also been contributing to the free market of  by coming up with the front groups such as the Australian Environment Foundation, which campaigns for weaker environmental laws, Independent Contractors of Australia, which campaigns for an end to workplace safety laws and a general deregulation of the labour market; and Owner Drivers Australia, which campaigns against safety and work standard for truck drivers.</p>
<p>Just remember prodders, itâ€™s all about choice (as in Work Choices) and freedom as in Arbeit Macht Frei. </p>
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1&#8211;  ico.org/show_faq.asp?show=8 (all web refs have www http in front)<br />
2&#8211;  abc.net.au/lateline/archives/s113020.htm<br />
3&#8211; amp.com.au/group/2column/0,2445,CH944%5FCT5%5FCI12684%5FSI3,00.html<br />
4&#8211; Opcit. ibid.<br />
5&#8211; crikey.com.au/Comments/20070316-Comments-corrections-clarifications-and-cckups.html</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems a lot of people read my posts these days just so they can complain about how stupid they are. It's vaguely reminiscent of something I wrote about not very long ago...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems a lot of people read my posts these days just so they can complain about how stupid they are. It&#8217;s vaguely reminiscent of something I wrote about not very long ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: melaleuca</title>
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		<dc:creator>melaleuca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer someone's question above, Jason Soon says:

"...you canâ€™t beat the oppressive stupidity of Gummo who thinks that â€˜free market of ideasâ€™ means that people (or rather non-lefties who are of course not people) cannot invoke consumer protection law."

http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=2966#comment-41069

Soony's had a bad case of shit on the liver this past couple of months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer someone&#8217;s question above, Jason Soon says:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;you canâ€™t beat the oppressive stupidity of Gummo who thinks that â€˜free market of ideasâ€™ means that people (or rather non-lefties who are of course not people) cannot invoke consumer protection law.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=2966#comment-41069" rel="nofollow">http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=2966#comment-41069</a></p>
<p>Soony&#8217;s had a bad case of shit on the liver this past couple of months.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being obedient Libertarians, I'm sure Davidson et al will reimburse the tax payer for this ridiculous folly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being obedient Libertarians, I&#8217;m sure Davidson et al will reimburse the tax payer for this ridiculous folly?</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll pass on the authoritarianism - it raises the nasty little question of who gets to decide who we are and who's insufficiently like us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll pass on the authoritarianism - it raises the nasty little question of who gets to decide who we are and who&#8217;s insufficiently like us.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Honnor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Honnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Iâ€™ll have Western freedom and democracy thanks, leavened with just a little authoritarianism when it comes to people not like us"

Could be the new LP motto. Sinclair, you're on a hiding to nothing :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iâ€™ll have Western freedom and democracy thanks, leavened with just a little authoritarianism when it comes to people not like us&#8221;</p>
<p>Could be the new LP motto. Sinclair, you&#8217;re on a hiding to nothing <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: woulfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>woulfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Part of the big problem with fair trade is that its proponents are not honestly engaging in debate. They are stating it is a consumer driven feel good campaign.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Erm, maybe I'm being a bit naÃ¯ve here, but isn't this an example of the invisible hand at work? If Oxfam can convince me to pay a bit more for my coffee on the understanding that more of my dollars are returned to the growers, doesn't that mean that they are adding value to the product? There is, after all, no shortage of other places I can buy coffee, and presumably growers have some choice in whom they sell to.

&lt;blockquote&gt;... what they want to do is reimpose a Soviet style, centralised managed trade system.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Turning the international coffee trade into a command economy? i don't think so. In any event, I reckon the ACCC is perfectly correct in demanding unequivocal evidence to support these claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Part of the big problem with fair trade is that its proponents are not honestly engaging in debate. They are stating it is a consumer driven feel good campaign.</p></blockquote>
<p>Erm, maybe I&#8217;m being a bit naÃ¯ve here, but isn&#8217;t this an example of the invisible hand at work? If Oxfam can convince me to pay a bit more for my coffee on the understanding that more of my dollars are returned to the growers, doesn&#8217;t that mean that they are adding value to the product? There is, after all, no shortage of other places I can buy coffee, and presumably growers have some choice in whom they sell to.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; what they want to do is reimpose a Soviet style, centralised managed trade system.</p></blockquote>
<p>Turning the international coffee trade into a command economy? i don&#8217;t think so. In any event, I reckon the ACCC is perfectly correct in demanding unequivocal evidence to support these claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oxfam was not vindcated. In fact the issues raised by us remain inappropriatley addressed by Oxfam.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I believe that Bozo the Clown's issues with Oxfam also remain inappropriately addressed.  Oxfam is, of course, absolutely required to waste all its time answering laughable charges instead of performing its actual charitable mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oxfam was not vindcated. In fact the issues raised by us remain inappropriatley addressed by Oxfam.</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe that Bozo the Clown&#8217;s issues with Oxfam also remain inappropriately addressed.  Oxfam is, of course, absolutely required to waste all its time answering laughable charges instead of performing its actual charitable mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those confused about the decaffeination process, the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decaffeination" rel="nofollow"&gt;wikipedia article&lt;/a&gt; describes a number of methods, as well as mentioning recent discovery of a naturally low-caf bean variety. Someone also told me that growing the beans at higher altitude reduces the amount of caffeine produced by the plant for some reason, although I've got no verification for that. Something to do with not needing to repel insects using the molecule *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those confused about the decaffeination process, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decaffeination" rel="nofollow">wikipedia article</a> describes a number of methods, as well as mentioning recent discovery of a naturally low-caf bean variety. Someone also told me that growing the beans at higher altitude reduces the amount of caffeine produced by the plant for some reason, although I&#8217;ve got no verification for that. Something to do with not needing to repel insects using the molecule *shrug*</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/30/free-tradeÂ©-fair-tradeÂ®-the-free-market-of-ideas/#comment-381229" rel="nofollow"&gt;No&lt;/a&gt;, it's just another sorry example of the creeping Americanisation of Australian idiom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/30/free-tradeÂ©-fair-tradeÂ®-the-free-market-of-ideas/#comment-381229" rel="nofollow">No</a>, it&#8217;s just another sorry example of the creeping Americanisation of Australian idiom.</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. You've disambuguated the r and the l incorrectly. 
It's actually the 'flea market in ideas' and the IPA have got the Ford Escort backed up and the boot open. "Genooooooine 19th century thinking madam! Practically free madam! Can't tell me that's not fair."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. You&#8217;ve disambuguated the r and the l incorrectly.<br />
It&#8217;s actually the &#8216;flea market in ideas&#8217; and the IPA have got the Ford Escort backed up and the boot open. &#8220;Genooooooine 19th century thinking madam! Practically free madam! Can&#8217;t tell me that&#8217;s not fair.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinclair Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am familiar with the Americanism &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_a_life" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Get a life"&lt;/a&gt;, but the Australianism "get a life" clearly has a different meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am familiar with the Americanism <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_a_life" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Get a life&#8221;</a>, but the Australianism &#8220;get a life&#8221; clearly has a different meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, however defined, the "free market of ideas" does not include &lt;em&gt;The National Rupert&lt;/em&gt;, where, according to &lt;a href="http://www.oxfam.org.au/campaigns/mtf/coffee/oxfamresponse.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Oxfam&lt;/a&gt;, their response to Tim Wilson's criticisms (or charges) was published on 30 April.

Now I have to catch up[ on some &lt;a href="http://www.oxfam.org.au/campaigns/mtf/coffee/fair_trade_a_bitter_brew.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;background reading&lt;/a&gt; (in PDF format).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, however defined, the &#8220;free market of ideas&#8221; does not include <em>The National Rupert</em>, where, according to <a href="http://www.oxfam.org.au/campaigns/mtf/coffee/oxfamresponse.html" rel="nofollow">Oxfam</a>, their response to Tim Wilson&#8217;s criticisms (or charges) was published on 30 April.</p>
<p>Now I have to catch up[ on some <a href="http://www.oxfam.org.au/campaigns/mtf/coffee/fair_trade_a_bitter_brew.pdf" rel="nofollow">background reading</a> (in PDF format).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of interest, following up on Pavlov's Cat's point, how would you define "a free market in ideas"? It seems to me it's being used quite incoherently in this context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of interest, following up on Pavlov&#8217;s Cat&#8217;s point, how would you define &#8220;a free market in ideas&#8221;? It seems to me it&#8217;s being used quite incoherently in this context.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarquon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zarquon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that's an "idea" so obviously loony that trying it in the free market of ideas should be considered fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s an &#8220;idea&#8221; so obviously loony that trying it in the free market of ideas should be considered fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think our complaint to the ACCC was very consistent with a free market of ideas. A free market of ideas does not mean that there is not room for people being held to account. 

The IPA was not spared embarrassment at all. We are not wrong. There are serious, dubious claims being made about the benefits of fair trade coffee. As you point out, Oxfam was not vindcated. In fact the issues raised by us remain inappropriatley addressed by Oxfam. Oxfam was failed to answer to the gaps in their claims between the stated and actual benefits of fair trade. 

Part of the big problem with fair trade is that its proponents are not honestly engaging in debate. They are stating it is a consumer driven feel good campaign. But if you read their reports what they want to do is reimpose a Soviet style, centralised managed trade system. They just don't like to talk about that part. If they want to do that, fine (i'll oppose it through debate in the free market of ideas), but hiding from it from the public to deceive consumers is hardly engaging in the free market of ideas on their part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think our complaint to the ACCC was very consistent with a free market of ideas. A free market of ideas does not mean that there is not room for people being held to account. </p>
<p>The IPA was not spared embarrassment at all. We are not wrong. There are serious, dubious claims being made about the benefits of fair trade coffee. As you point out, Oxfam was not vindcated. In fact the issues raised by us remain inappropriatley addressed by Oxfam. Oxfam was failed to answer to the gaps in their claims between the stated and actual benefits of fair trade. </p>
<p>Part of the big problem with fair trade is that its proponents are not honestly engaging in debate. They are stating it is a consumer driven feel good campaign. But if you read their reports what they want to do is reimpose a Soviet style, centralised managed trade system. They just don&#8217;t like to talk about that part. If they want to do that, fine (i&#8217;ll oppose it through debate in the free market of ideas), but hiding from it from the public to deceive consumers is hardly engaging in the free market of ideas on their part.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Keeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinclair, might I suggest that you get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinclair, might I suggest that you get a life.</p>
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