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47 Responses to “Saturday Salon”


  1. 1 haikuNo Gravatar

    A hard earned first needs a big cold beer …

  2. 2 Adam GallNo Gravatar

    Lol, haiku.

    I did mention ‘Transformers’ on another thread, so I should really initiate a discussion here.
    For the record, I think Michael Bay is pure evil, but I couldn’t keep a smile off my face watching those robots fight.

  3. 3 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar
  4. 4 mickNo Gravatar

    Damn, Transformers isn’t out here in Austria!

  5. 5 MarkNo Gravatar

    I’m waiting for Fairfax to run a story about kids wasting all their time reading Paris Hilton stories or dating blogs on Fairfax websites. Hang on…

  6. 6 mickNo Gravatar

    I’d prefer it if they did some stories on all the new Skype spamming which is spreading around the intertubes. It’s seriously annoying.

  7. 7 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    I’d prefer it if they did some stories on all the new Skype spamming which is spreading around the intertubes. It’s seriously annoying.

    Actually you can stop that by selecting that you only accept calls and messages from people only on your contact list

  8. 8 mickNo Gravatar

    Thanks Frank!

  9. 9 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar
  10. 10 suNo Gravatar

    Hatshepsut reunited with tooth. I love a good mummy story.

  11. 11 Gummo TrotskyNo Gravatar

    Interesting news on the use of s501 of the Migration Act:

    Harald Kertz is a former heroin addict in his late 40s with a history of crime.

    His parents became naturalised Australian citizens, but he did not.

    The Federal Government had been seeking to revoke Mr Kertz’s visa under section 501 of the Migration Act, which would have classed him as a threat to national security.

    After the case reached the Federal Court this week, the Government’s lawyers suddenly withdrew from proceedings, and that means Harald Kertz can keep his visa.

    Mr Kertz’s lawyer Michaela Byers says he was given back his permanent residence and was released from detention on Thursday.

    “But the Minister’s lawyers put a little clause on the consent orders to revoke the visa cancellation, saying that the Minister can consider it any time to cancel his visa again,” Ms Byers said.

    She says that is not a usual condition.

    Forget the “national security” stuff - that’s mis-description at best (IIRC).

    I’m cynical enough to believe that that unusual condition is there to enable the Government to revive the deportation proceedings once the election is out of the way.

  12. 12 woulfeNo Gravatar

    Not that I’m a yachting buff, but it’s striking how little coverage there’s been here of the America’s Cup final.

  13. 13 razorNo Gravatar

    woulfe - Fox Sport 1 has outstanding coverage. Can’t wait or tonight.

  14. 14 razorNo Gravatar

    Car bombs in London.

    It’ll be the Buhddists again.

  15. 15 j_p_zNo Gravatar

    Mark, and anyone else here (I know there are at least a few) who takes an on-going interest in the nature of the political influence of the blogosphere, ought to have a careful, in-depth look at the decisive role played over the past week by the right-wing US blogosphere in defeating the despicable and incompetent “comprehensive immigration reform” bill that was lately considered by the US Senate, the world’s most craptacular bloviating body. (Easy to say, sure, but it’s true: the level of much of the political discourse and rhetoric in the debates surrounding this bill reached new lows of stupidity, sentimentality, deception, and just plain ignorance of the proper way to conduct an argument. Wish I could sack the lot of them.) Oh, and for some real fun, check out the absurd interview between alleged senator Bill Voinovich and talk-show host Sean Hannity. It doesn’t get much funnier than this, sadly.

    There were some truly fascinating, practically textbook maneuvers and counter-maneuvers taken by the informed blogosphere throughout the course of this controversy, many of them tactics that have only become possible due to the inherent nature of blogging and internet technology. A fascinating chapter of the new political history that is daily being written by the internet, whatever your ideological outlook.

  16. 16 Christine KeelerNo Gravatar

    Samstag Christine und die vollständige Spaßmusikfeier mit deutschem Abba! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4_2TGXZubQ

  17. 17 ivapNo Gravatar

    Off to the rugby tonight. Ready to brave the cold with my new wallaby scarf. The plan is to pop into the city and get some dinner at a pub, a coffee at degraves and then head down to the MCG. The dearth of good rugby in melbourne can only be quenched by a local victory. Here’s hoping.

  18. 18 ZarquonNo Gravatar

    Actually j_p_z it was Boing Boing what done it.

  19. 19 ZarquonNo Gravatar

    Cop that Christine. (pinched from sadlyno.com

  20. 20 Graham BellNo Gravatar

    Zarquon:
    D&nm you. Out here in the Other Australia, where we have only The Clever Country’s dial-up, YouTube eic, comes through, if at all, at 1 second/5 minutes.

  21. 21 ZarquonNo Gravatar

    Well I’m in Zone 2 meself, but we have a 1000000000bits/sec internet link at work and you’d be surprised at how little difference it makes.

  22. 22 GregMNo Gravatar

    Forget the “national security� stuff - that’s mis-description at best (IIRC).

    Well of course it is. What else would you expect from “our ABC”? Getting their facts right if that stands in the way of pursuing their agenda? God forbid.

    One must wonder though why while his parents became Australian citizens he did not.

  23. 23 TimNo Gravatar

    Hey all,

    I’m interested in the lack of grass roots left thought here. No comments on the gentrification of the labour party, ala booting out militant unionists? Why the silence? Or did I miss the debate?

    Remember the left includes poor people too. How about some local union news, and grassroots political activity.

  24. 24 joe2No Gravatar

    Zarquon, thanks, the vid is a classic and very funny.

    Just hope G.H., you are watching it by 12 tonight and ABBA, in German, by 3.00 A.M. Missing out on stuff like that must keep you grumpy all the time.

    Still, you have the wildlife.

  25. 25 KimNo Gravatar

    No comments on the gentrification of the labour party, ala booting out militant unionists? Why the silence? Or did I miss the debate?

    Yep!

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/22/rudd-and-the-unions-a-study-in-over-reaction/

    How about some local union news, and grassroots political activity.

    Remember we’re not a newspaper, and we don’t have any newsgathering staff or resources, but if people want to draw anything to our attention, we’re always happy to consider writing about it or guest posts.

  26. 26 GregMNo Gravatar

    Hey all,

    I’m interested in the lack of grass roots left thought here. No comments on the gentrification of the labour party, ala booting out militant unionists? Why the silence? Or did I miss the debate?

    Remember the left includes poor people too. How about some local union news, and grassroots political activity.

    Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, you charmingly naive and sentimental lad. Larvatus Prodeo is the exemplar par excellence of the gentrification of the Labor Party. Not for them the hoary hands of labour with their modest sustenance wrung from an honest day’s physical exertion down mill. But then again the same is true, and has been true for the last twenty years, of union apparatchiks. Their Light on the Hill is a nice sinecure in one of of our many legislative chambers followed by a lavish pension at the taxpayers’ expense.

    Timmy, you have not missed the debate. It was never had.

  27. 27 mickNo Gravatar

    WOOOO HOOOOO!!!!! Australia beat the All Blacks!!!!

  28. 28 Gummo TrotskyNo Gravatar

    Remember the left includes poor people too.

    Well keeping me around as the collective’s token poor person obviously isn’t fooling Tim any.

  29. 29 TimNo Gravatar

    Cool Kim, sorry to be a bother, just interested in rounding out the blog a bit. Note your resource limits but broad perspective is good perspective sweety, Lol

  30. 30 KimNo Gravatar

    Don’t disagree, Tim, and if you know anything worth writing about, feel free to send us an email.

  31. 31 TimNo Gravatar

    Greg M,

    Wow, those words. Yep hands up to being ’sentimental and politically naive’. I’m trying to push back my ignorance but I feel like a lot of what is said here doesn’t do that. If Larvatus Prodeo can’t cater to an inclusive left site, meaning accessable to less educated people and your average unionist, do you know a site that can?

  32. 32 mickNo Gravatar

    I wonder how the Libs are going to deal with this Liberal party member being convicted of beating up on a unionist? [link]

  33. 33 KimNo Gravatar

    GregM is just taking political pot shots at us, Tim.

  34. 34 Gummo TrotskyNo Gravatar

    If Larvatus Prodeo can’t cater to an inclusive left site, meaning accessable to less educated people and your average unionist, do you know a site that can?

    Don’t underestimate your average unionist.

    If your vocabulary can cope with The Herald Sun and its relatives in other cities then there shouldn’t be too much here that’s outside your comprehension, once you’ve adjusted to the longer sentences and paragraphs.

    <gratuitous snark>Buggered if I’m going to start writing down to people.</gratuitous snark>

  35. 35 Graham BellNo Gravatar

    GregM and Tim:

    “Their Light on the Hill is a nice sinecure in one of of our many legislative chambers followed by a lavish pension at the taxpayers’ expense”

    That’s one of the many reasons I keep talking about Australia’s Two-Parties-One-Faction system. Hands up all those who can distinguish Labor from Liberal in mid-2007.

  36. 36 GregMNo Gravatar

    If Larvatus Prodeo can’t cater to an inclusive left site, meaning accessable to less educated people and your average unionist, do you know a site that can?

    Tim, who is your “average unionist”? In my experience they are certainly not militants but beyond that there is a vast diversity of interests, abilities and aspirations represented amongst them. You should get out a bit and observe the world you live in and then you’d feel less inclined to resort to stereotypes. Plenty of them, by the way, are highly educated knowledge workers (as a very large part of our workforce is) and, if they were inclined to read Larvatus Prodeo, would have no difficulty in comprehending what was posted on it and no difficulty in forming their own sound views on the different opinions that are expressed here. Plenty of them, though less educated, have had the benefit of our splendid (albeit not perfect) secondary education system and, as Gummo points out, don’t need to be talked down to in order to be communicated with.

  37. 37 JohnNo Gravatar

    Zarquon
    If you like the Python … then check
    this out !

  38. 38 pre-dawn leftistNo Gravatar

    Hey Everyone,

    Check this out at Your ABC:

    http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2007/s1966728.htm

    Who says tat Auntie has lost her sense of humour?

  39. 39 Gummo TrotskyNo Gravatar

    Captured for posterity - but the link might be a dud.

    Insiders Web Page, July 1 2007, 10:49am

  40. 40 ZarquonNo Gravatar

    But John, Monty Python is better in the original German.

  41. 41 Tony DNo Gravatar

    Whatever happened to the concept of ‘the personal is political’?

    Has it been replaced with ‘the economic is political’, as in the phrase “it’s all about the economy, mate”?

    And if the political and the economic form a nexus as is claimed, shouldn’t this nexus be informed by the personal as well? Or is it already since the personal is political?

  42. 42 crankynickNo Gravatar

    Great get Gummo. (It’s stil up, btw).

    How long will if be, do you reckon, before we get a Piers Ackerman column complaining that there weren’t enough right whingers on the panel, though?

  43. 43 BerniceNo Gravatar

    “Well keeping me around as the collective’s token poor person obviously isn’t fooling Tim any.” What? How did you get elected token poor person? Bet I’ve been poorer longer than you young man. Bank statements at 20 paces sir.

  44. 44 Lang MackNo Gravatar

    I hate to overwhelm with this news, and keeping in with the gravity of LP, however, I just found my Boarder Collie bitch in a ,ahem, embrace with an other Boarder Collie dog, who has travelled several Klm’s , for the purpose of ruination. ( I know you, dog, you right wing mongrel). This could be a local puppies overboard.

  45. 45 JohnNo Gravatar

    Zarquon

    And now for something completely different … “the chipmunks” doing [url= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jZxjqmuX5EFaulty Towers[/url].

    p.s. Don’t mention the war.

  46. 46 Enemy CombatantNo Gravatar
  47. 47 The Devil DrinkNo Gravatar

    I note Haiku’s effective use of John Meillon in the first comment. Will you go to the barricades, though, over the latest affront to Australian drinkers?

    Fosters says it doubts customers will be bothered by a reduction in the alcohol content of its Victoria Bitter beer.
    In a move that will save the company up to $10 million a year in tax bills, the alcohol content in VB will drop from 4.9 per cent to 4.8 per cent from August.

    Un. Aust. Ralian.

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