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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382224</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 01:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another trainwreck seems to have occurred at the Bolter&#039;s blog. While the cat&#039;s away etc.</description>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382222</link>
		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that you can scoop your opposition when everybody&#039;s running a regular polling cycle is a little absurd isn&#039;t it?

I believe they have a saying in the press biz: &quot;Scoop, or you&#039;re just ice-cream!&quot;

I never said it was a particularly witty saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that you can scoop your opposition when everybody&#8217;s running a regular polling cycle is a little absurd isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I believe they have a saying in the press biz: &#8220;Scoop, or you&#8217;re just ice-cream!&#8221;</p>
<p>I never said it was a particularly witty saying.</p>
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		<title>By: BearCave</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382220</link>
		<dc:creator>BearCave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The results didn&#039;t conform to News Limited Policy?

A policy which appears to admit that The Australian newspaper, the publisher of the results, wants to scoop rather than be scooped  :)

So what &quot;scoop&quot; are we looking for Ed?

Hey, I have an idea for next Tuesday&#039;s headline:

THE AUSTRALIAN&#039;S &quot;EXCLUSIVE&quot; ICE CREAM SCOOP! - FROSTY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HOWARD AND VOTERS CONTINUES  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The results didn&#8217;t conform to News Limited Policy?</p>
<p>A policy which appears to admit that The Australian newspaper, the publisher of the results, wants to scoop rather than be scooped  <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So what &#8220;scoop&#8221; are we looking for Ed?</p>
<p>Hey, I have an idea for next Tuesday&#8217;s headline:</p>
<p>THE AUSTRALIAN&#8217;S &#8220;EXCLUSIVE&#8221; ICE CREAM SCOOP! &#8211; FROSTY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HOWARD AND VOTERS CONTINUES  <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382185</link>
		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another troll enters Matt&#039;s thread:

&lt;blockquote&gt;DB  (03 July at 09:55 PM)

I just read this article in The Canberra Times
&lt;a href=&quot;http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&amp;subclass=opinion&amp;story_id=1015430&amp;category=opinion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;

It shows you what a disgusting creep John Howard is....it explains how he has this tendency to use RACE as a vote winner. If you had any doubts about his motives on this aboriginal issue, you wonâ€™t after you read this.

And itâ€™s written by a former Howard Government adviser. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And it is worth a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another troll enters Matt&#8217;s thread:</p>
<blockquote><p>DB  (03 July at 09:55 PM)</p>
<p>I just read this article in The Canberra Times<br />
<a href="http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&amp;subclass=opinion&amp;story_id=1015430&amp;category=opinion" rel="nofollow">[link]</a></p>
<p>It shows you what a disgusting creep John Howard is&#8230;.it explains how he has this tendency to use RACE as a vote winner. If you had any doubts about his motives on this aboriginal issue, you wonâ€™t after you read this.</p>
<p>And itâ€™s written by a former Howard Government adviser. </p></blockquote>
<p>And it is worth a look.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382183</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the whole sorry episode could have been avoided had either Newspoll or News Ltd. done the sane and courteous thing of giving a simple explanation early.

Both are in the business of communicating information to the public allegedly and both failed miserably to do so effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the whole sorry episode could have been avoided had either Newspoll or News Ltd. done the sane and courteous thing of giving a simple explanation early.</p>
<p>Both are in the business of communicating information to the public allegedly and both failed miserably to do so effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiasco. da. Gama.</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382106</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiasco. da. Gama.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I refer you to a little &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/saturday-salon-104/#comment-380580&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rule&lt;/a&gt; I prepared earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I refer you to a little <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/23/saturday-salon-104/#comment-380580" rel="nofollow">Rule</a> I prepared earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: david tiley</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382105</link>
		<dc:creator>david tiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course I can&#039;t spell &quot;our&quot; so someone else can run even further with this thread...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course I can&#8217;t spell &#8220;our&#8221; so someone else can run even further with this thread&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: david tiley</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382104</link>
		<dc:creator>david tiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As Shelley Gare observed in her book, &#039;Triumph of the Airheads&#039; too many seem to regard punctuation as a quaint fashion, much like wearing hats and gloves.In case some blog writers need reminding,&quot;

.. this is a big punctuation no-no. At last I have the chance to shout it from the rooftops: put the spaces in, peeps.So we can read,happily,without or minds getting bent,like.

And yes, I know it was an accident. 

Have I succeed in my cunning derailment plan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As Shelley Gare observed in her book, &#8216;Triumph of the Airheads&#8217; too many seem to regard punctuation as a quaint fashion, much like wearing hats and gloves.In case some blog writers need reminding,&#8221;</p>
<p>.. this is a big punctuation no-no. At last I have the chance to shout it from the rooftops: put the spaces in, peeps.So we can read,happily,without or minds getting bent,like.</p>
<p>And yes, I know it was an accident. </p>
<p>Have I succeed in my cunning derailment plan?</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382087</link>
		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems Matt&#8217;s response to Jay has finally had the desired effect and lifted the tone of the thread:</p>
<blockquote><p>anne of enmore (03 July at 07:44 PM)</p>
<p>Whoever becomes PM after the next election, I hope itâ€™s a win for the preservation of our language. There are too many punctuation rebels indulging themselves in these blogs. As Shelley Gare observed in her book, â€œTriumph of the Airheadsâ€? too many seem to regard punctuation as a quaint fashion, much like wearing hats and gloves.In case some blog writers need reminding, punctuation is necessary for clear communication, something which may seem irrelevant when you are writing to yourself but is relevant if you want to be read by others. The word is â€œreaderâ€?, not â€œmind readerâ€? !</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382081</link>
		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graeme,

I guess it shows a couple of things: no one&#039;s immune to the temptation to snark and missing &quot;obvious&quot; sarcasm, in print, is a failing you&#039;ll find across the political spectrum.

Conveying sarcasm in print is a drag - you have to pretty much lay it on with a trowel. Says some interesting things about the current reputation of the &lt;em&gt;National Rupert&lt;/em&gt; that Price&#039;s &quot;obviously absurd&quot; was a lot of other people&#039;s &quot;perfectly plausible&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme,</p>
<p>I guess it shows a couple of things: no one&#8217;s immune to the temptation to snark and missing &#8220;obvious&#8221; sarcasm, in print, is a failing you&#8217;ll find across the political spectrum.</p>
<p>Conveying sarcasm in print is a drag &#8211; you have to pretty much lay it on with a trowel. Says some interesting things about the current reputation of the <em>National Rupert</em> that Price&#8217;s &#8220;obviously absurd&#8221; was a lot of other people&#8217;s &#8220;perfectly plausible&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382070</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I too was hoping for some grand conspiracy. Matt Price is always a fun read though, manages to give an interesting perspective of the workings of club fed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I too was hoping for some grand conspiracy. Matt Price is always a fun read though, manages to give an interesting perspective of the workings of club fed.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382063</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conspiracy stuff is mad.  As much as you might resent:
1. their undue influence on political debate,
2. being addicted to them, or
3. the fact they only do it to promote their &#039;market research&#039; businesses
these polling companies have nil - no minus nil - reasons to play with polling numbers or schedules for partisan reasons.     Their reputation is their only asset, as poor Mr Morgan found out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conspiracy stuff is mad.  As much as you might resent:<br />
1. their undue influence on political debate,<br />
2. being addicted to them, or<br />
3. the fact they only do it to promote their &#8216;market research&#8217; businesses<br />
these polling companies have nil &#8211; no minus nil &#8211; reasons to play with polling numbers or schedules for partisan reasons.     Their reputation is their only asset, as poor Mr Morgan found out.</p>
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		<title>By: St Margaret</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382036</link>
		<dc:creator>St Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw!  And I thought something exciting was happening!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw!  And I thought something exciting was happening!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382031</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Via Poll Bludger

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pollbludger.com/501#comment-18806&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;From Matt Priceâ€™s blog:

Explanation from Editor-in-Chief for absence of Newspoll: 

Itâ€™s out next week. There is no conspiracy. We are trying to settle on a fortnightly cycle that doesnâ€™t involve us coming out a day after Galaxy, as we would have had we come out this morning, or a day after Nielson. You may be aware we do not poll Thursday nights because of late night shopping. Neilson and Galaxy do, which we believe adversely affects their results. But it allows them to publish Monday while we publish Tuesday. Since we spend over $1 million a year on political polling I try to move it around so we donâ€™t get scooped by Neilson or Galaxy. This has only become a problem recently because Fairfax is polling more regularly and the tabloids are polling monthly with Galaxy, 

Cheers, Chris Mitchell

&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via Poll Bludger</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pollbludger.com/501#comment-18806" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote>From Matt Priceâ€™s blog:</p>
<p>Explanation from Editor-in-Chief for absence of Newspoll: </p>
<p>Itâ€™s out next week. There is no conspiracy. We are trying to settle on a fortnightly cycle that doesnâ€™t involve us coming out a day after Galaxy, as we would have had we come out this morning, or a day after Nielson. You may be aware we do not poll Thursday nights because of late night shopping. Neilson and Galaxy do, which we believe adversely affects their results. But it allows them to publish Monday while we publish Tuesday. Since we spend over $1 million a year on political polling I try to move it around so we donâ€™t get scooped by Neilson or Galaxy. This has only become a problem recently because Fairfax is polling more regularly and the tabloids are polling monthly with Galaxy, </p>
<p>Cheers, Chris Mitchell</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382030</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the theories doing the rounds regarding the non-appearance of Newspoll is that there something major happening on Thursday or Friday that will cause a corresponding boost in the rat&#039;s popularity. Seems as plausible as anything else I&#039;ve heard in the absence of an explanation.

BTW, definition of pointless smart arse: Matt Price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the theories doing the rounds regarding the non-appearance of Newspoll is that there something major happening on Thursday or Friday that will cause a corresponding boost in the rat&#8217;s popularity. Seems as plausible as anything else I&#8217;ve heard in the absence of an explanation.</p>
<p>BTW, definition of pointless smart arse: Matt Price.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382027</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Tim via Poll Bludger.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pollbludger.com/501#comment-18799&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;hereâ€™s another: The Australian wanted to do one on the weekend after pensioners got their $500 each and the tax cuts started rolling through. Start polling on Thurs/Fri/Sat and see if you get a bounce - more to do with hip pockets than indigenous child abuse.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Tim via Poll Bludger.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pollbludger.com/501#comment-18799" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote>hereâ€™s another: The Australian wanted to do one on the weekend after pensioners got their $500 each and the tax cuts started rolling through. Start polling on Thurs/Fri/Sat and see if you get a bounce &#8211; more to do with hip pockets than indigenous child abuse.
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		<title>By: gusface</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-382011</link>
		<dc:creator>gusface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im sorry i thought LP was a lefty site
anyway my further 2 cents worth
so why only qld results when sites like news,pollbludger,crikey etc etc etc all expected NEWSPOLL today
it dont add up and added to what i ve heard makes sense
ergo-rodent is in deep shite trying to spin an national emergency -the last thing he wants in the middle of his magic trick is something to take away the audiences attention</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im sorry i thought LP was a lefty site<br />
anyway my further 2 cents worth<br />
so why only qld results when sites like news,pollbludger,crikey etc etc etc all expected NEWSPOLL today<br />
it dont add up and added to what i ve heard makes sense<br />
ergo-rodent is in deep shite trying to spin an national emergency -the last thing he wants in the middle of his magic trick is something to take away the audiences attention</p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Price is hysterical (not).  Anyway &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mumble.com.au/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mumble&lt;/a&gt; tells why Newspoll did not come out today:

&lt;blockquote&gt;.....it&#039;s to get out of sync with Nielsen in Fairfax, which runs every 4 weeks. A recent long weekend, on which Newspoll didn&#039;t poll, put them in sync. When they&#039;re published in the same week, The Australian has to second-guess whether Fairfax will publish on the Monday to get in first. To be safe they (the Oz) publish on the Monday too (as happened two weeks ago).
Which is a lot of hassle. Newspoll staff have to crunch the numbers on Sunday night, which perhaps costs money in overtime and presents a greater risk of error; everybody at all stages of the process, eg Dennis/Steve, is rushed. Much better to have the whole of Monday to do it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Price is hysterical (not).  Anyway <a href="http://www.mumble.com.au/" rel="nofollow">Mumble</a> tells why Newspoll did not come out today:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;..it&#8217;s to get out of sync with Nielsen in Fairfax, which runs every 4 weeks. A recent long weekend, on which Newspoll didn&#8217;t poll, put them in sync. When they&#8217;re published in the same week, The Australian has to second-guess whether Fairfax will publish on the Monday to get in first. To be safe they (the Oz) publish on the Monday too (as happened two weeks ago).<br />
Which is a lot of hassle. Newspoll staff have to crunch the numbers on Sunday night, which perhaps costs money in overtime and presents a greater risk of error; everybody at all stages of the process, eg Dennis/Steve, is rushed. Much better to have the whole of Monday to do it.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Theodric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theodric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was apparently meant as a joke, although Pricey hasn&#039;t actually said so. He seems to think that he&#039;s funny.</description>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/03/derailed/comment-page-1/#comment-381987</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 05:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  I was on the end of it a few weeks ago when I asked him for evidence of something he was saying.  Heh.  Poor pet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  I was on the end of it a few weeks ago when I asked him for evidence of something he was saying.  Heh.  Poor pet.</p>
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