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	<title>Comments on: Government Gazette fights back</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384155</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've got a new post up about the editorial today, so please direct comments here:

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/the-government-gazette-fights-back-ii/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a new post up about the editorial today, so please direct comments here:</p>
<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/the-government-gazette-fights-back-ii/" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/the-government-gazette-fights-back-ii/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384151</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless it's to be re-edited and re-posted later on, still if it has been pulled News should be totally ashamed of itself, I'm happy with what Tim has written, they should be too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless it&#8217;s to be re-edited and re-posted later on, still if it has been pulled News should be totally ashamed of itself, I&#8217;m happy with what Tim has written, they should be too.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiasco da Gama</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384148</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiasco da Gama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's all? Is News Ltd fucking soft or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all? Is News Ltd fucking soft or what?</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384146</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384146</guid>
		<description>The missing Blogocracy Post:

Who says the mainstream media donâ€™t pay attention to the blogosphere?  This extraordinary story relates to this weekâ€™s Newspoll results and the way The Australian reported it.  Peter Brent runs the excellent psephological blog called Mumble.  Itâ€™s one of a number of blogs that run analysis and commentary of opinion polls, and others include OzPolitics, Possums Pollytics, and Poll Bludger.
Yesterday, Peter Brent noted that he had fallen foul of some of those at The Australian:
&lt;blockquote&gt;A courtesy call from Editor-in-Chief Chris Mitchell this morning informed me that the paper is going to â€œgoâ€? Charles Richardson (from Crikey) and me tomorrow.  Chris said by all means criticise the paper, but my â€œpersonalâ€? attacks on Dennis had gone too far, and the paper will now go me â€œpersonallyâ€?.
No, Iâ€™m not making this up.
If they only get as personal as I get with Dennis, then it should be tame, as I donâ€™t believe Iâ€™ve ever criticised anything other than his writing.  And to think I described Dennis, in a chapter in a book being launched this month, as (with no sarcasm) â€œa fine journalistâ€?.
All very strange. And - Iâ€™d be lying if I didnâ€™t admit - a little stomach-churning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The editorial is up this morning and yes, they do â€œgoâ€? Peter Brent.  They defend themselves in the strongest possible terms and attack, specifically and generally, just about anyone who disagrees with them, particularly â€œAustraliaâ€™s online news commentariat that has found passing endless comment on other peopleâ€™s work preferable to breaking real stories and adding to societyâ€™s pool of knowledge.â€?
There are a number of things to say about all of this.  The first is that the editorial is as much concerned about charges of bias against The Australian as anything else.  This is how it begins:
&lt;blockquote&gt;THE measure of good journalism is objectivity and a fearless regard for truth. Bias, nonetheless, is in the eye of the beholder and some people will always see conspiracy when the facts donâ€™t suit their view of the world. This is the affliction that has gripped, to a large measure, Australiaâ€™s online news commentariat that has found passing endless comment on other peopleâ€™s work preferable to breaking real stories and adding to societyâ€™s pool of knowledge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If bias is in the eye of the beholder, then there are a lot of â€œbeholdersâ€? out there who think The Australian is biased, particularly in its coverage of polling data.  The evidence for this is not just to found in the blogosphere but on their own pages where their columns and articles often fill up with criticism from their own readers accusing them of spinning information in favour of the Howard Government.  In attacking the â€œonline commentariatâ€? they are also attacking a sizeable sampling of their own readership.
The latest bout of charges of bias were prompted by this weekâ€™s Newspoll and many people, including me, were struck by the way The Australian chose to cover the story.  For instance, Bryan Palmer at OzPolitics wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œWhen I first glanced at todayâ€™s headlines â€” Howard checks Ruddâ€™s march â€” Kevinâ€™s sizzle not snag-free â€” Howard finds fertile ground for support â€” I was expecting to read about a polling improvement for the Howard Government. What I found was a flat line.â€?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Whatâ€™s interesting is that The Australian seems to believe that only they are capable of objectivity and they reject entirely any charge of bias.  This is odd given that Chris Mitchell himself has said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œCan I say something about The Australianâ€™s contribution to the national political debate. It has made, as a newspaper, a remarkable contribution, I think back over the last 10 years that this government has been in office and I think of the positions taken by The Australian newspaper.
â€œIt has been broadly supportive, generously so, of the governmentâ€™s economic reform agenda. And it has been a strong supporter, consistentlyâ€¦ of industrial relations reform. Its only criticism of the government is that it might not have gone far enough.â€?
...I think editorially and on the Op Ed page, we are right-of-centre. I donâ€™t think itâ€™s particularly far right, I think some people say that, but I think on a world kind of view youâ€™d say weâ€™re probably pretty much where The Wall Street Journal, or The Telegraph in London are. So, you know, centre-right.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It is precisely that â€œgenerousâ€? â€œbroadly supportiveâ€? â€œright-of-centreâ€? tilt that people are responding to when they see Newspoll reported the way it was this week.  For the editorial to deny that any such tilt exist seems disingenuous.
So I think the editorial is ill-conceived and way off the mark in singling out Peter Brent in the way that it does.  His site largely confines itself to interpretation and in doing so, provides a great service.  The idea that he canâ€™t comment without the editor of The Australian ringing him up to say they are going to â€œgoâ€? him is disturbing.
Still, I think it is fair to say that News Ltd, including The Australian, has opened itself to comment and criticism from its readership more so than Fairfax, the other major news organisation.  They have embraced readers comments and â€œblogsâ€? more fully, and this site alone is evidence of that.  So while most News news stories and columns allow reader comment, the same is not true of Fairfax.  You can, for instance, comment on Dennis Shanahanâ€™s and Paul Kellyâ€™s columns, but not Michelle Grattanâ€™s or Gerard Hendersonâ€™s. 
But having embraced such an approach, they have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with them or buy into their particular take on a given issue or, indeed, their own self-image.  The Australian is, of course, completely free to defend themselves, but it might also pay them to reflect on why so many people see them as the â€œgovernment gazetteâ€? rather than just dismiss nearly all such criticism as â€œa waste of timeâ€?.
&lt;strong&gt;ELSEWHERE:&lt;/strong&gt; Mark Bahnisch comments, as does AB at Surfdom.  Possum Pollytics provides a detailed analysis of an aspect of Newspoll that argues against the claim, made by the CEO of Newspoll and Dennis Shanahan, about the relationship between primary vote and the preferred PM figure.  Itâ€™s exactly the sort of analysis that the editorial claims is lacking in the online sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The missing Blogocracy Post:</p>
<p>Who says the mainstream media donâ€™t pay attention to the blogosphere?  This extraordinary story relates to this weekâ€™s Newspoll results and the way The Australian reported it.  Peter Brent runs the excellent psephological blog called Mumble.  Itâ€™s one of a number of blogs that run analysis and commentary of opinion polls, and others include OzPolitics, Possums Pollytics, and Poll Bludger.<br />
Yesterday, Peter Brent noted that he had fallen foul of some of those at The Australian:</p>
<blockquote><p>A courtesy call from Editor-in-Chief Chris Mitchell this morning informed me that the paper is going to â€œgoâ€? Charles Richardson (from Crikey) and me tomorrow.  Chris said by all means criticise the paper, but my â€œpersonalâ€? attacks on Dennis had gone too far, and the paper will now go me â€œpersonallyâ€?.<br />
No, Iâ€™m not making this up.<br />
If they only get as personal as I get with Dennis, then it should be tame, as I donâ€™t believe Iâ€™ve ever criticised anything other than his writing.  And to think I described Dennis, in a chapter in a book being launched this month, as (with no sarcasm) â€œa fine journalistâ€?.<br />
All very strange. And - Iâ€™d be lying if I didnâ€™t admit - a little stomach-churning.</p></blockquote>
<p>The editorial is up this morning and yes, they do â€œgoâ€? Peter Brent.  They defend themselves in the strongest possible terms and attack, specifically and generally, just about anyone who disagrees with them, particularly â€œAustraliaâ€™s online news commentariat that has found passing endless comment on other peopleâ€™s work preferable to breaking real stories and adding to societyâ€™s pool of knowledge.â€?<br />
There are a number of things to say about all of this.  The first is that the editorial is as much concerned about charges of bias against The Australian as anything else.  This is how it begins:</p>
<blockquote><p>THE measure of good journalism is objectivity and a fearless regard for truth. Bias, nonetheless, is in the eye of the beholder and some people will always see conspiracy when the facts donâ€™t suit their view of the world. This is the affliction that has gripped, to a large measure, Australiaâ€™s online news commentariat that has found passing endless comment on other peopleâ€™s work preferable to breaking real stories and adding to societyâ€™s pool of knowledge.</p></blockquote>
<p>If bias is in the eye of the beholder, then there are a lot of â€œbeholdersâ€? out there who think The Australian is biased, particularly in its coverage of polling data.  The evidence for this is not just to found in the blogosphere but on their own pages where their columns and articles often fill up with criticism from their own readers accusing them of spinning information in favour of the Howard Government.  In attacking the â€œonline commentariatâ€? they are also attacking a sizeable sampling of their own readership.<br />
The latest bout of charges of bias were prompted by this weekâ€™s Newspoll and many people, including me, were struck by the way The Australian chose to cover the story.  For instance, Bryan Palmer at OzPolitics wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>â€œWhen I first glanced at todayâ€™s headlines â€” Howard checks Ruddâ€™s march â€” Kevinâ€™s sizzle not snag-free â€” Howard finds fertile ground for support â€” I was expecting to read about a polling improvement for the Howard Government. What I found was a flat line.â€?</p></blockquote>
<p>Whatâ€™s interesting is that The Australian seems to believe that only they are capable of objectivity and they reject entirely any charge of bias.  This is odd given that Chris Mitchell himself has said:</p>
<blockquote><p>â€œCan I say something about The Australianâ€™s contribution to the national political debate. It has made, as a newspaper, a remarkable contribution, I think back over the last 10 years that this government has been in office and I think of the positions taken by The Australian newspaper.<br />
â€œIt has been broadly supportive, generously so, of the governmentâ€™s economic reform agenda. And it has been a strong supporter, consistentlyâ€¦ of industrial relations reform. Its only criticism of the government is that it might not have gone far enough.â€?<br />
&#8230;I think editorially and on the Op Ed page, we are right-of-centre. I donâ€™t think itâ€™s particularly far right, I think some people say that, but I think on a world kind of view youâ€™d say weâ€™re probably pretty much where The Wall Street Journal, or The Telegraph in London are. So, you know, centre-right.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is precisely that â€œgenerousâ€? â€œbroadly supportiveâ€? â€œright-of-centreâ€? tilt that people are responding to when they see Newspoll reported the way it was this week.  For the editorial to deny that any such tilt exist seems disingenuous.<br />
So I think the editorial is ill-conceived and way off the mark in singling out Peter Brent in the way that it does.  His site largely confines itself to interpretation and in doing so, provides a great service.  The idea that he canâ€™t comment without the editor of The Australian ringing him up to say they are going to â€œgoâ€? him is disturbing.<br />
Still, I think it is fair to say that News Ltd, including The Australian, has opened itself to comment and criticism from its readership more so than Fairfax, the other major news organisation.  They have embraced readers comments and â€œblogsâ€? more fully, and this site alone is evidence of that.  So while most News news stories and columns allow reader comment, the same is not true of Fairfax.  You can, for instance, comment on Dennis Shanahanâ€™s and Paul Kellyâ€™s columns, but not Michelle Grattanâ€™s or Gerard Hendersonâ€™s.<br />
But having embraced such an approach, they have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with them or buy into their particular take on a given issue or, indeed, their own self-image.  The Australian is, of course, completely free to defend themselves, but it might also pay them to reflect on why so many people see them as the â€œgovernment gazetteâ€? rather than just dismiss nearly all such criticism as â€œa waste of timeâ€?.<br />
<strong>ELSEWHERE:</strong> Mark Bahnisch comments, as does AB at Surfdom.  Possum Pollytics provides a detailed analysis of an aspect of Newspoll that argues against the claim, made by the CEO of Newspoll and Dennis Shanahan, about the relationship between primary vote and the preferred PM figure.  Itâ€™s exactly the sort of analysis that the editorial claims is lacking in the online sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiasco da Gama</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384140</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiasco da Gama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, my reader too, Darryl and DaOoSG. I only get the teaser, though, not the full article. If anybody's got a copy on their clipboard, could they post it?
(I look to cut 'n' paste Greenfield for leadership here, naturally.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, my reader too, Darryl and DaOoSG. I only get the teaser, though, not the full article. If anybody&#8217;s got a copy on their clipboard, could they post it?<br />
(I look to cut &#8216;n&#8217; paste Greenfield for leadership here, naturally.)</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384137</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any idea what happened to Tim Dunlop's post on the Mumble Affair? It was there, and it's in my RSS reader, but the post itself seems to have been taken down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any idea what happened to Tim Dunlop&#8217;s post on the Mumble Affair? It was there, and it&#8217;s in my RSS reader, but the post itself seems to have been taken down.</p>
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		<title>By: Down and Out of SÃ i GÃ²n</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384136</link>
		<dc:creator>Down and Out of SÃ i GÃ²n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384136</guid>
		<description>Tim Dunlop had a Blogocracy post on the subject: &lt;a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/news/blogocracy/index.php/news/comments/retail_commentary/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Australian versus the The Blogosphere&lt;/a&gt;. Now it has vanished. What's up with that? A bit of muscle from Chris and the boys on the lowly Newscorp admins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Dunlop had a Blogocracy post on the subject: <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/news/blogocracy/index.php/news/comments/retail_commentary/" rel="nofollow">The Australian versus the The Blogosphere</a>. Now it has vanished. What&#8217;s up with that? A bit of muscle from Chris and the boys on the lowly Newscorp admins?</p>
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		<title>By: gusface</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384126</link>
		<dc:creator>gusface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384126</guid>
		<description>dennis the menaces latest blog (0 posts so far i only tried twice :)  )
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/dennisshanahan/index.php/theaustralian/comments/kevin_returns_to_hip_pocket/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dennis the menaces latest blog (0 posts so far i only tried twice <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )<br />
<a href="http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/dennisshanahan/index.php/theaustralian/comments/kevin_returns_to_hip_pocket/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/dennisshanahan/index.php/theaustralian/comments/kevin_returns_to_hip_pocket/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jack strocchi</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384113</link>
		<dc:creator>jack strocchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384113</guid>
		<description>Dan Murphy  on &lt;a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-383917" rel="nofollow"&gt;11 July 2007 at 5:00 pm&lt;/a&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hey Jack Strocchi,

...

Cheers

Dan Murphy&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


No, sharing my time b/w Melbourne &#38; Sydney now. And the French wanker got replaced by fiance. 

These days I work on my seat, rather than working on seats. I am still a financial member of the CMFEU, though. 

Up the workers, comrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Murphy  on <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-383917" rel="nofollow">11 July 2007 at 5:00 pm</a> </p>
<blockquote><p><em>Hey Jack Strocchi,</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Dan Murphy</em></p></blockquote>
<p>No, sharing my time b/w Melbourne &amp; Sydney now. And the French wanker got replaced by fiance. </p>
<p>These days I work on my seat, rather than working on seats. I am still a financial member of the CMFEU, though. </p>
<p>Up the workers, comrade.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384094</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw that, Nabs. Who said the art of fisking was so web 1.0? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw that, Nabs. Who said the art of fisking was so web 1.0? <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384093</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384093</guid>
		<description>If we're all having a swingeing swing at The Awfulstralian here, then some may enjoy what happened the other night when I got shitfaced and started &lt;a href="http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/09/banging-on-with-the-organ/#comment-152129" rel="nofollow"&gt;organ-banging&lt;/a&gt;.

Now it's several mornings later and I'm sober(ish). But Greg Sheridan is still a titanic prat though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re all having a swingeing swing at The Awfulstralian here, then some may enjoy what happened the other night when I got shitfaced and started <a href="http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/09/banging-on-with-the-organ/#comment-152129" rel="nofollow">organ-banging</a>.</p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s several mornings later and I&#8217;m sober(ish). But Greg Sheridan is still a titanic prat though.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384086</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384086</guid>
		<description>A staggering claim for an authority that doesn't exist any longer. The wailing of a dinosaur as it has it's flesh ripped from it's hide by smaller smarter warm blooded mammals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A staggering claim for an authority that doesn&#8217;t exist any longer. The wailing of a dinosaur as it has it&#8217;s flesh ripped from it&#8217;s hide by smaller smarter warm blooded mammals.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384081</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384081</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Australian has proved itself adept at spotting these trends but our woolly-headed critics dismiss this as manipulation. But if history repeats itself and the turnaround reported in John Howard's Newspoll rating as preferred Prime Minister indicates a bigger swing in support back to the coalition will the on-line commentariat finally admit it is they, not us, who are blinded by bias?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Be interesting, on the other hand, to see how they defend their (ahem) credibility if it doesn't, and even more so, if Rudd wins!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Australian has proved itself adept at spotting these trends but our woolly-headed critics dismiss this as manipulation. But if history repeats itself and the turnaround reported in John Howard&#8217;s Newspoll rating as preferred Prime Minister indicates a bigger swing in support back to the coalition will the on-line commentariat finally admit it is they, not us, who are blinded by bias?</p></blockquote>
<p>Be interesting, on the other hand, to see how they defend their (ahem) credibility if it doesn&#8217;t, and even more so, if Rudd wins!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384079</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384079</guid>
		<description>All your polls are belong to US!</description>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384076</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384076</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Unlike Crikey, we understand Newspoll because we own it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

ROTFL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Unlike Crikey, we understand Newspoll because we own it.</p></blockquote>
<p>ROTFL!</p>
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		<title>By: The Happy Revolutionary</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384074</link>
		<dc:creator>The Happy Revolutionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384074</guid>
		<description>Ludicrous attack by the Oz against the 'extreme left', 'sheltered academics', 'failed journalists', but mostly the online community.
For your dose of daily prissiness, see &lt;a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22058640-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ludicrous attack by the Oz against the &#8216;extreme left&#8217;, &#8217;sheltered academics&#8217;, &#8216;failed journalists&#8217;, but mostly the online community.<br />
For your dose of daily prissiness, see <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22058640-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384072</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384072</guid>
		<description>Well, the GG has done &lt;a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22058640-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;it's editorial&lt;/a&gt;. Heh! Poor babies, I think their feelings were hurt.

&lt;blockquote&gt;So let's not mince words. e just don't think many of our critics have any real clue about polling and very little practical experience of politics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Their typo by the way.

I liked this bit the best.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As a newspaper we don't know who we will support at the federal election.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Comedians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the GG has done <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22058640-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow">it&#8217;s editorial</a>. Heh! Poor babies, I think their feelings were hurt.</p>
<blockquote><p>So let&#8217;s not mince words. e just don&#8217;t think many of our critics have any real clue about polling and very little practical experience of politics.</p></blockquote>
<p>Their typo by the way.</p>
<p>I liked this bit the best.</p>
<blockquote><p>As a newspaper we don&#8217;t know who we will support at the federal election.</p></blockquote>
<p>Comedians.</p>
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		<title>By: Kina</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384018</link>
		<dc:creator>Kina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-384018</guid>
		<description>Good way to boost readership at Crikey, Mumble and Ozpolitics. The more people referring to sites like this the better - bringing in the facts, contexts and alternative views. Maybe people will become fully informed.

Bring on the controversy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good way to boost readership at Crikey, Mumble and Ozpolitics. The more people referring to sites like this the better - bringing in the facts, contexts and alternative views. Maybe people will become fully informed.</p>
<p>Bring on the controversy!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-383975</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-383975</guid>
		<description>Sorry, comment crossed with St Margaret - I was responding to Monica and OH if that's not clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, comment crossed with St Margaret - I was responding to Monica and OH if that&#8217;s not clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-383974</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/11/government-gazette-fights-back/#comment-383974</guid>
		<description>It's possible - anything that gets people engaged and talking about politics is going to have a flow on effect - like Lefty E said, we're not just yelling at our tvs anymore! Hopefully some of it cascades beyond those of us who participate in it.

The price-monitoring thing is bound to be Swannie's idea. He's been getting loads of press in local papers for years - he coordinates his own monitoring. People really do care if a loaf of bread is cheaper at Woollies or Coles today. Dollar Sweetie couldn't have been more clueless on the 7 30 report tonight - no one gives a rats about a quarterly average figure posted on the ABS website for baked beans. What gets to people is the fact not just that food tends to rise much more in price than the CPI but also that the chains do their own version of what goes on with petrol - raising and lowering prices constantly. 

Dollar Sweetie demonstrated yesterday on radio he didn't know whether a loaf of bread or a carton of milk was more expensive. Blokes like him with six figure salaries wouldn't give a rats anyway, and would probably whinge mightily if they ever had to do their own shopping, and console themselves with the points they'd earn by whacking it on the platinum Amex. This is the guy who complains that his salary is far below what his mates in Collins St get. None of them would have a clue about how most people live.

I'm coming to hate my local Coles. The prices are more exxy than other Coles around the joint because there's no competition. They never keep the shelves fully stocked, and I am getting so frustrated with the decline in brand choice as they try to force everyone to buy their own crummy brand. Coles is notorious in Brissie for differential pricing according to perceived wealth of suburb as well.

I hope Wesfarmers give them a good shakeout.

IGA are opening up the road soon, and I know where I'll be going, even though Colesies is only five mins walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible - anything that gets people engaged and talking about politics is going to have a flow on effect - like Lefty E said, we&#8217;re not just yelling at our tvs anymore! Hopefully some of it cascades beyond those of us who participate in it.</p>
<p>The price-monitoring thing is bound to be Swannie&#8217;s idea. He&#8217;s been getting loads of press in local papers for years - he coordinates his own monitoring. People really do care if a loaf of bread is cheaper at Woollies or Coles today. Dollar Sweetie couldn&#8217;t have been more clueless on the 7 30 report tonight - no one gives a rats about a quarterly average figure posted on the ABS website for baked beans. What gets to people is the fact not just that food tends to rise much more in price than the CPI but also that the chains do their own version of what goes on with petrol - raising and lowering prices constantly. </p>
<p>Dollar Sweetie demonstrated yesterday on radio he didn&#8217;t know whether a loaf of bread or a carton of milk was more expensive. Blokes like him with six figure salaries wouldn&#8217;t give a rats anyway, and would probably whinge mightily if they ever had to do their own shopping, and console themselves with the points they&#8217;d earn by whacking it on the platinum Amex. This is the guy who complains that his salary is far below what his mates in Collins St get. None of them would have a clue about how most people live.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m coming to hate my local Coles. The prices are more exxy than other Coles around the joint because there&#8217;s no competition. They never keep the shelves fully stocked, and I am getting so frustrated with the decline in brand choice as they try to force everyone to buy their own crummy brand. Coles is notorious in Brissie for differential pricing according to perceived wealth of suburb as well.</p>
<p>I hope Wesfarmers give them a good shakeout.</p>
<p>IGA are opening up the road soon, and I know where I&#8217;ll be going, even though Colesies is only five mins walk.</p>
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