Comments on: Queensland Liberals Howard’s achilles heel? http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:26:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Antonio http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384760 Antonio Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:10:08 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384760 Flegg is safe much to Seeney's chagrin. The factional alignment of the state Liberal caucus is too messy for a fight at the moment. That is not to say that people are happy with Flegg - far from it. The problem is that there is currently no viable alternative. Langbroek is a Santoro man which puts him in a factional minority. He also holds some pretty extreme views on some sensitive topics which if aired from the position of parliamentary leader would be catastrophic to the Brisbane Liberal vote. The fact that he is from the Gold Coast doesn't help either. Tim Nicholls is certainly ambitious but suffers from an unfortunate combination of laziness and a big mouth at the wrong times. Oh and he is also a Santoro person which puts him in a faction of three in a parliamentary caucus of 8. McArdle would be the best choice on merit but he isn't a Brisbane MP and his seat margin is quite perilous. He has also sworn loyalty to Flegg for the forseeable future. Stuckey would be the only other alternative. Whilst she is fairly unaligned, her competency is an issue at this stage. This story was fed by Seeney's office as a smokescreen against a much larger problem on his horizon. After the Federal election watch the Nat parliament division move into an all-in brawl. Rob Messenger probably should win on merit but I think Springborg may again emerge as a consensus compromise candidate. Flegg is safe much to Seeney’s chagrin. The factional alignment of the state Liberal caucus is too messy for a fight at the moment. That is not to say that people are happy with Flegg - far from it. The problem is that there is currently no viable alternative. Langbroek is a Santoro man which puts him in a factional minority. He also holds some pretty extreme views on some sensitive topics which if aired from the position of parliamentary leader would be catastrophic to the Brisbane Liberal vote. The fact that he is from the Gold Coast doesn’t help either. Tim Nicholls is certainly ambitious but suffers from an unfortunate combination of laziness and a big mouth at the wrong times. Oh and he is also a Santoro person which puts him in a faction of three in a parliamentary caucus of 8. McArdle would be the best choice on merit but he isn’t a Brisbane MP and his seat margin is quite perilous. He has also sworn loyalty to Flegg for the forseeable future. Stuckey would be the only other alternative. Whilst she is fairly unaligned, her competency is an issue at this stage.

This story was fed by Seeney’s office as a smokescreen against a much larger problem on his horizon. After the Federal election watch the Nat parliament division move into an all-in brawl. Rob Messenger probably should win on merit but I think Springborg may again emerge as a consensus compromise candidate.

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384662 Mark Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:46:13 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384662 I think Kim is referring to Newman's chances of re-election as Mayor - the eletion is in March (fixed term). I think Kim is referring to Newman’s chances of re-election as Mayor - the eletion is in March (fixed term).

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384601 steve Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:29:43 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384601 <a href="http://ambit-gambit.nationalforum.com.au/archives/002152.html" rel="nofollow">Promoted</a> to National Disaster? Promoted to National Disaster?

]]> By: Andrew E http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384557 Andrew E Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:06:13 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384557 Kim, I wouldn't say that March is six months from now - more like eight months. All the more reason why he'd look at a shift to state politics. Spiros, I stand corrected. Thank you sublime cowgirl. Is Seeney one of those nats who doesn't give a shit about Brisbane or the Gold Coast? What's his deputy like? Kim, I wouldn’t say that March is six months from now - more like eight months. All the more reason why he’d look at a shift to state politics.

Spiros, I stand corrected.

Thank you sublime cowgirl.

Is Seeney one of those nats who doesn’t give a shit about Brisbane or the Gold Coast? What’s his deputy like?

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384544 steve Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:22:48 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384544 <a href="http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/flegg-the-black-knight/2007/07/12/1183833680219.html" rel="nofollow">Just a Flesh Wound</a>. Just a Flesh Wound.

]]> By: paul walter http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384523 paul walter Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:57:14 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384523 Grannyanny, eh? A perfect example why always been partial to older women. Michelle Grattan's Age article was good journalism concerning a serious issue, not tabloid junk. So why has it been treated the way it has by the media today? NO mention on SBS or ABC news tonight? NOTHING on 730 report? Then to Tony Jones and Durkin; Jones boasting how the ABC, contrary to the opinions of some viewers, doesn't fudge hard news or report tendentiously. This from the man who participated in the coopted Latteline Aboriginal Settlements beat-up last year on behalf of Bruff and Howard, that operated as interference run,setting the scene for the "Emergency" putsch of a fortnight ago! On to Latteline and once again avoidance of the Bruff rort from the show that bought us melopsychodramatic "save the little children". Personally, I think voters are so thick they won't be able to distinguish between the sad reactive abuses of drunken, brutalised and alienated aboriginal males and the sly and premeditated abuse of a street-wise minister whose abuse is no less real in consisting of robbing the funds for children's futures ( poverty and its suffering IS abuse, if suffering is the essence of abuse?? ). Surely his enjoyment, like the paedophile, comes at the expense of the pleasure of pulling a fast one as much as the suffering of his victims? Grannyanny, eh?
A perfect example why always been partial to older women.
Michelle Grattan’s Age article was good journalism concerning a serious issue, not tabloid junk. So why has it been treated the way it has by the media today?
NO mention on SBS or ABC news tonight?
NOTHING on 730 report?
Then to Tony Jones and Durkin; Jones boasting how the ABC, contrary to the opinions of some viewers, doesn’t fudge hard news or report tendentiously. This from the man who participated in the coopted Latteline Aboriginal Settlements beat-up last year on behalf of Bruff and Howard, that operated as interference run,setting the scene for the “Emergency” putsch of a fortnight ago!
On to
Latteline and once again avoidance of the Bruff rort from the show that bought us melopsychodramatic “save the little children”.
Personally, I think voters are so thick they won’t be able to distinguish between the sad reactive abuses of drunken, brutalised and alienated aboriginal males and the sly and premeditated abuse of a street-wise minister whose abuse is no less real in consisting of robbing the funds for children’s futures ( poverty and its suffering IS abuse, if suffering is the essence of abuse?? ).
Surely his enjoyment, like the paedophile, comes at the expense of the pleasure of pulling a fast one as much as the suffering of his victims?

]]> By: sublime cowgirl http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384472 sublime cowgirl Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:24:29 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384472 I do think Andrews observations are quite astute nonetheless. I do think Andrews observations are quite astute nonetheless.

]]> By: Spiros http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384336 Spiros Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:18:02 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384336 "The thirty-year lock Sydney has on the PM/Treasurer (less a few months in 1991)" In fact, just three weeks in December 1991, in the dying days of Hawke PM, when John Kerin imploded as Treasurer and Ralph Willis took his place. “The thirty-year lock Sydney has on the PM/Treasurer (less a few months in 1991)”

In fact, just three weeks in December 1991, in the dying days of Hawke PM, when John Kerin imploded as Treasurer and Ralph Willis took his place.

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384306 Kim Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:01:04 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384306 Andrew, I wouldn't say it's a done deal that Campbell Newman will be re-elected in March. On Seeney: <blockquote>JEFF Seeney is suffering a serious identity crisis, with most voters unaware he is Queensland's Opposition Leader and those who do know him scathing of his performance.</blockquote> http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22060247-5007200,00.html Andrew, I wouldn’t say it’s a done deal that Campbell Newman will be re-elected in March.

On Seeney:

JEFF Seeney is suffering a serious identity crisis, with most voters unaware he is Queensland’s Opposition Leader and those who do know him scathing of his performance.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22060247-5007200,00.html

]]> By: Lang Mack http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384293 Lang Mack Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:25:27 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384293 Polly, that was funny, I had a good laugh, so thanks. ( I'm on dial up so took a while to get it), No wonder he wants to claw his way back, look at me, takes on a whole new meaning . What a goose. Polly, that was funny, I had a good laugh, so thanks. ( I’m on dial up so took a while to get it), No wonder he wants to claw his way back, look at me, takes on a whole new meaning . What a goose.

]]> By: Pollytickedoff http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384279 Pollytickedoff Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:34:02 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384279 OT, but.. I was reading about the MySpace pollies section they were spruiking today so went to have a look and found this video http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=10319431 OT, but..

I was reading about the MySpace pollies section they were spruiking today so went to have a look and found this video

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=10319431

]]> By: Lang Mack http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384273 Lang Mack Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:13:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384273 Thinking about it, are these people either so stupid or so arrogant that with the 'net , shifty moves like this aren't noticed, applies to Marks drawing attention to us of the base that seems to be the norm in the Rodents beloved party. Thinking about it, are these people either so stupid or so arrogant that with the ‘net , shifty moves like this aren’t noticed, applies to Marks drawing attention to us of the base that seems to be the norm in the Rodents beloved party.

]]> By: Andrew E http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384271 Andrew E Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:08:56 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384271 Six months from now, consider: Campbell Newman becomes the most senior Liberal in the country, the Prime Minister and the Treasurer are both Queenslanders and the state has a new Premier. The centre of gravity will shift away from Seeney pretty damn quickly. The business community will want to ingratiate itself with the new governments, including a few donations to the ALP. Brisbane will have a focus upon it that Sir Joh could only have dreamed of. The thirty-year lock Sydney has on the PM/Treasurer (less a few months in 1991) will be broken and Melbourne's decline will continue, the mineral boom notwithstanding. There will be a number of un- and under-employed Liberal MPs and staffers who will have decided quite like politics and are not prepared to let a little thing like the going-out of the tide disrupt them. They'll decide that it's easier to take on sitting Liberal State MPs, sitting State MPs from the Labor Party in marginal seats and even independents or Nats in State politics rather than try, try again to get back to Canberra. Sure, most of them will retire, but many won't. To committed and ambitious Liberals the states offer the political equivalent of Backyard Blitz. Keep in mind that the Nats will have something of an identity crisis at this point. There are 12 Nats in the House and 3 in the Senate: six months from now their House representation will be in single digits and their ability to deliver much diminished. When the Coalition were last in Opposition they at least had Ian Sinclair to hold things together and Tim Fischer to pull them through. Seeney will attempt to fill this void in Queensland but you can't fill one void with another. He'll overreach himself, he's not ready for prime time. At the next State election in Queensland (2009/10?) Anna Bligh should be returned, but with a reduced majority and facing an Opposition that is slightly more hungry and a bit more focused than currently. Campbell Newman will have been Lord Mayor for a while and will be looking for a new challenge. Seeney, meanwhile, will be a shell of what he is today - whether the Nats keep him on is another matter, but something suggests he's brittle. Six months from now, consider: Campbell Newman becomes the most senior Liberal in the country, the Prime Minister and the Treasurer are both Queenslanders and the state has a new Premier.

The centre of gravity will shift away from Seeney pretty damn quickly. The business community will want to ingratiate itself with the new governments, including a few donations to the ALP. Brisbane will have a focus upon it that Sir Joh could only have dreamed of. The thirty-year lock Sydney has on the PM/Treasurer (less a few months in 1991) will be broken and Melbourne’s decline will continue, the mineral boom notwithstanding.

There will be a number of un- and under-employed Liberal MPs and staffers who will have decided quite like politics and are not prepared to let a little thing like the going-out of the tide disrupt them. They’ll decide that it’s easier to take on sitting Liberal State MPs, sitting State MPs from the Labor Party in marginal seats and even independents or Nats in State politics rather than try, try again to get back to Canberra. Sure, most of them will retire, but many won’t. To committed and ambitious Liberals the states offer the political equivalent of Backyard Blitz.

Keep in mind that the Nats will have something of an identity crisis at this point. There are 12 Nats in the House and 3 in the Senate: six months from now their House representation will be in single digits and their ability to deliver much diminished. When the Coalition were last in Opposition they at least had Ian Sinclair to hold things together and Tim Fischer to pull them through. Seeney will attempt to fill this void in Queensland but you can’t fill one void with another. He’ll overreach himself, he’s not ready for prime time.

At the next State election in Queensland (2009/10?) Anna Bligh should be returned, but with a reduced majority and facing an Opposition that is slightly more hungry and a bit more focused than currently. Campbell Newman will have been Lord Mayor for a while and will be looking for a new challenge. Seeney, meanwhile, will be a shell of what he is today - whether the Nats keep him on is another matter, but something suggests he’s brittle.

]]> By: Lang Mack http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384269 Lang Mack Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:00:26 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384269 Steve/Granny, I just knew it, when the Captain was/is all about "non political saving the children' immediately one smells a Rat. I assume that a broad media will pass this on to the general public, in full?. Steve/Granny, I just knew it, when the Captain was/is all about “non political saving the children’ immediately one smells a Rat. I assume that a broad media will pass this on to the general public, in full?.

]]> By: EconoMan http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384264 EconoMan Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:35:20 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384264 I've heard, from admittedly vague sources, that the fed police investigation into printing rorts is a result of the Qld Libs being broke. The party was billing federal members for printing / posters etc that the party never did, to raise some much needed funds directly from the taxpayer. I’ve heard, from admittedly vague sources, that the fed police investigation into printing rorts is a result of the Qld Libs being broke. The party was billing federal members for printing / posters etc that the party never did, to raise some much needed funds directly from the taxpayer.

]]> By: GrannyAnny http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384245 GrannyAnny Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:23:04 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384245 And there's the other article at Crikey about the indiginous affairs minister diverting cash from Northern Territory Aboroginals into his own electorate......................... And there’s the other article at Crikey about the indiginous affairs minister diverting cash from Northern Territory Aboroginals into his own electorate…………………….

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384243 steve Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:21:54 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/12/queensland-liberals-howards-achilles-heel/#comment-384243 <a href="http://www.nit.com.au/story.aspx?id=11918" rel="nofollow">Add this one </a>to the list. Add this one to the list.

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