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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/30/who-is-deserting-the-liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-388861</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darryl Rosin:
There would be &lt;strong&gt;NO&lt;/strong&gt; legal grounds whatsoever for a &quot;state of emergency&quot; that would suspend an election.   

The air would be full of grim news, horrific stories and dire warnings.  There would be ministerial announcements galore and calls to be calm and steadfast and unified in the face of great peril.   Official documents authorizing severe actions and extraordinary powers would be in wide circulation in no time flat.  It would become the patriotic duty of every decent citizen to seek out doubters, sceptics and other agents of the Enemy as fast as possible, before we are all murdered in our beds.

Illegal?  Of course not .... because the Law is what we say it is - and that includes the Electoral Act.   By the time anyone gets half-way to challenging what has happened, they&#039;ll be behind the razor-wire - or worse.

That&#039;s how it is done and it works a treat every time.

Your faith in the High Court is charming - they have truly defended all of our traditional rights, obligations and privleges so well in the past couple of years, haven&#039;t they?   Protected by the Governor-General?   I wasn&#039;t aware Rev.Dr. Peter Hollingswoth had returned to the position.  As for all the other insitutions you mentioned; they would be only minor obstacles to anyone with their heart set on seizing or retaining power at any cost .... and maybe they would willingly help it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darryl Rosin:<br />
There would be <strong>NO</strong> legal grounds whatsoever for a &#8220;state of emergency&#8221; that would suspend an election.   </p>
<p>The air would be full of grim news, horrific stories and dire warnings.  There would be ministerial announcements galore and calls to be calm and steadfast and unified in the face of great peril.   Official documents authorizing severe actions and extraordinary powers would be in wide circulation in no time flat.  It would become the patriotic duty of every decent citizen to seek out doubters, sceptics and other agents of the Enemy as fast as possible, before we are all murdered in our beds.</p>
<p>Illegal?  Of course not &#8230;. because the Law is what we say it is &#8211; and that includes the Electoral Act.   By the time anyone gets half-way to challenging what has happened, they&#8217;ll be behind the razor-wire &#8211; or worse.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how it is done and it works a treat every time.</p>
<p>Your faith in the High Court is charming &#8211; they have truly defended all of our traditional rights, obligations and privleges so well in the past couple of years, haven&#8217;t they?   Protected by the Governor-General?   I wasn&#8217;t aware Rev.Dr. Peter Hollingswoth had returned to the position.  As for all the other insitutions you mentioned; they would be only minor obstacles to anyone with their heart set on seizing or retaining power at any cost &#8230;. and maybe they would willingly help it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/30/who-is-deserting-the-liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-388852</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Agree with you calendar-gazing â€¦. but still feel that all of it will be made redundant by a manufactured â€œstate of emergencyâ€? stunt&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank-you. But I&#8217;m not sure what legal grounds there could be for suspension of an election. I&#8217;m not across &#8220;states of emergency&#8217; but there&#8217;s no provision in the Electoral Act for such a thing. Individual elections (eg an election for a particular Division) can be declared to have failed, but not until after an attempt is made to conduct the election (except in the case of a death of a candidate after nominations close and before polling day).</p>
<p>You could argue (and you sort of are arguing) that little things like the law won&#8217;t stop him, but he&#8217;d need the Governor-General, The High Court, the State Governors (&amp; therefore the premiers) and probably the State Supreme courts all to go along with it, just for a start. As far as constitutional crises go, it would be a beautiful and terrible thing to behold&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/30/who-is-deserting-the-liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-388846</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darryl Rosin:
Agree with you calendar-gazing .... but still feel that all of it will be made redundant by a manufactured &quot;state of emergency&quot; stunt .... [and I do pray fervently that I am wrong and that we do have semi-free and quasi-fair election after all].

LeftyE:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;yer average punter is deeply suspicious of for-profit private childcare providers, and wants to see council/ community/ public alternatives&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
and 
StMargaret:&lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;Howard has introduced WorkChoices and these people are just incensed. What with no-more-penalty-rates clauses placed in their AWAs, they just wonâ€™t be able to buy as much as they used to and the slightly rising interest rates are a problem too&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Gosh.  It&#039;s a photo-finish to tell which of you two came 1st or 2nd; Helen came in 3rd right behind LeftyE.

Nobody has yet mentioned crawling to a America&#039;s failed ruler, have they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darryl Rosin:<br />
Agree with you calendar-gazing &#8230;. but still feel that all of it will be made redundant by a manufactured &#8220;state of emergency&#8221; stunt &#8230;. [and I do pray fervently that I am wrong and that we do have semi-free and quasi-fair election after all].</p>
<p>LeftyE:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;yer average punter is deeply suspicious of for-profit private childcare providers, and wants to see council/ community/ public alternatives&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>and<br />
StMargaret:<br />
<blockquote> &#8220;Howard has introduced WorkChoices and these people are just incensed. What with no-more-penalty-rates clauses placed in their AWAs, they just wonâ€™t be able to buy as much as they used to and the slightly rising interest rates are a problem too&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Gosh.  It&#8217;s a photo-finish to tell which of you two came 1st or 2nd; Helen came in 3rd right behind LeftyE.</p>
<p>Nobody has yet mentioned crawling to a America&#8217;s failed ruler, have they?</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/30/who-is-deserting-the-liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-388804</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the &quot;timing of the election&quot;:

Polling day must be between 33 and 68 days after the dissolution (or expiry) of Parliament. The current Parliament first sat on 16 November 2004 and so expires on 15 November 2007. Writs for the election must be issued within 10 days of expiry, nominations close up to 27 days after the writs and polling day can be 31 days after the close of nominations. That&#039;s a maximum of 68 days after the expiration so polling day must be no later than the last Saturday in that 68 day period - 19 Jan 2008. But there&#039;s no way we&#039;ll ever see a 68 day campaign being run over Christmas.

The APEC meetings are a deal breaker because the &quot;caretaker conventions&quot; prevent the government from participating in things like APEC once the election is called. Then the earliest post-APEC windows cause polling day fall during the school holidays in multiple states. 20 October is really the earliest date we&#039;re going to see an election held.

But here&#039;s a question: will Howard go for the minimum 33 day campaign or longer. The 2004 campaign was 40 days (plus a couple of days &#039;pre-announcement&#039;), which I believe was the longest since 1984 (56? days + over two weeks pre-announcement).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the &#8220;timing of the election&#8221;:</p>
<p>Polling day must be between 33 and 68 days after the dissolution (or expiry) of Parliament. The current Parliament first sat on 16 November 2004 and so expires on 15 November 2007. Writs for the election must be issued within 10 days of expiry, nominations close up to 27 days after the writs and polling day can be 31 days after the close of nominations. That&#8217;s a maximum of 68 days after the expiration so polling day must be no later than the last Saturday in that 68 day period &#8211; 19 Jan 2008. But there&#8217;s no way we&#8217;ll ever see a 68 day campaign being run over Christmas.</p>
<p>The APEC meetings are a deal breaker because the &#8220;caretaker conventions&#8221; prevent the government from participating in things like APEC once the election is called. Then the earliest post-APEC windows cause polling day fall during the school holidays in multiple states. 20 October is really the earliest date we&#8217;re going to see an election held.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s a question: will Howard go for the minimum 33 day campaign or longer. The 2004 campaign was 40 days (plus a couple of days &#8216;pre-announcement&#8217;), which I believe was the longest since 1984 (56? days + over two weeks pre-announcement).</p>
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		<title>By: Spiros</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/30/who-is-deserting-the-liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-388728</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew E, when did I say anything about crowded media?</description>
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		<title>By: Scorpio</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/30/who-is-deserting-the-liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-388715</link>
		<dc:creator>Scorpio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ophuph Hucksake  on 30 July 2007 at 10:56 pm 
&quot;Beside the prejudiced explanation that â€˜Joe Six Packâ€™ was just showing his true colours (i.e. bigotted and quasi-simian), entire books were devoted to exploring how the Republicans successfuly portrayed the Democrats as elitist, unpatriotic and also effeminate (admittedly the Dems didnâ€™t help their own cause here). Now what red-blooded young man is going to identify with those qualities?&quot;

What you have posted here explains a lot about what many of the Liberal trolls have been including in some of their nonsensical postings on other blog sites. ie

&quot;As an aside many people have said it, but tonight I too realised how effeminate KRudd is becoming.  He looks like a sheila on HRT.  Do we want this creature as our leader? &quot;

This type of comment is becoming increasingly common and must lead one to suspect that they are acting on instructions from Liberal facilitators using previously &quot;successful&quot; American, Republican Internet blogging tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ophuph Hucksake  on 30 July 2007 at 10:56 pm<br />
&#8220;Beside the prejudiced explanation that â€˜Joe Six Packâ€™ was just showing his true colours (i.e. bigotted and quasi-simian), entire books were devoted to exploring how the Republicans successfuly portrayed the Democrats as elitist, unpatriotic and also effeminate (admittedly the Dems didnâ€™t help their own cause here). Now what red-blooded young man is going to identify with those qualities?&#8221;</p>
<p>What you have posted here explains a lot about what many of the Liberal trolls have been including in some of their nonsensical postings on other blog sites. ie</p>
<p>&#8220;As an aside many people have said it, but tonight I too realised how effeminate KRudd is becoming.  He looks like a sheila on HRT.  Do we want this creature as our leader? &#8221;</p>
<p>This type of comment is becoming increasingly common and must lead one to suspect that they are acting on instructions from Liberal facilitators using previously &#8220;successful&#8221; American, Republican Internet blogging tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/30/who-is-deserting-the-liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-388698</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just checking that he meant the NSW community in case there was a separate seat called Camden in a completely different location that I hadn&#039;t heard of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just checking that he meant the NSW community in case there was a separate seat called Camden in a completely different location that I hadn&#8217;t heard of.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/30/who-is-deserting-the-liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-388696</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, Camden was a township and is probably a suburb - definitely a community. Who cares if it&#039;s a seat? How many people know what electorate they live in? This whole thread, and the article that inspired it, refer to the Federal election (and I&#039;d say the vote for Iemma in Camden is softer than that for Howard). See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ozpolitics.info/guide/elections/fed2007/house2007/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; electoral pendulum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, Camden was a township and is probably a suburb &#8211; definitely a community. Who cares if it&#8217;s a seat? How many people know what electorate they live in? This whole thread, and the article that inspired it, refer to the Federal election (and I&#8217;d say the vote for Iemma in Camden is softer than that for Howard). See <a href="http://www.ozpolitics.info/guide/elections/fed2007/house2007/" rel="nofollow">this</a> electoral pendulum.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I agree that the these days the safest Liberal seats are likely to be found in the outer suburbs, which is exactly my point. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t agree at all... You mean NSW Camden? Well that isn&#039;t federally a seat, but at state level it is safe labor.

Outer suburbs more safe than the likes of wealthy North Shore areas like Mosman? Nooooo way. I think the Liberal vote in Macarthur would be very soft, even though it&#039;s a safe majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I agree that the these days the safest Liberal seats are likely to be found in the outer suburbs, which is exactly my point. </p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t agree at all&#8230; You mean NSW Camden? Well that isn&#8217;t federally a seat, but at state level it is safe labor.</p>
<p>Outer suburbs more safe than the likes of wealthy North Shore areas like Mosman? Nooooo way. I think the Liberal vote in Macarthur would be very soft, even though it&#8217;s a safe majority.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/30/who-is-deserting-the-liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-388659</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a barbie stopper, Helen! 

My own view is that the only real solution to the housing aff crisis is social wage stuff like public health, education, trsansport infrastructure, affordable childcare, etc.

eg Look, here&#039;s a high quality local public secondary school: Save yourself $10k in fees and stick it on the mortgage. No problemo, Kruddster - here&#039;s my vote.

Otherwise you end up with dumbass inflationary subsidies like Howard&#039;s joke policies on everything from healthcare to housing; or pissing off people who already own a house and like its high values (by getting rid of neg gearing, say -which incidentally I support in some abstract ideological universe in which there isn&#039;t an election to be won in 3 months).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a barbie stopper, Helen! </p>
<p>My own view is that the only real solution to the housing aff crisis is social wage stuff like public health, education, trsansport infrastructure, affordable childcare, etc.</p>
<p>eg Look, here&#8217;s a high quality local public secondary school: Save yourself $10k in fees and stick it on the mortgage. No problemo, Kruddster &#8211; here&#8217;s my vote.</p>
<p>Otherwise you end up with dumbass inflationary subsidies like Howard&#8217;s joke policies on everything from healthcare to housing; or pissing off people who already own a house and like its high values (by getting rid of neg gearing, say -which incidentally I support in some abstract ideological universe in which there isn&#8217;t an election to be won in 3 months).</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/Digression
&lt;i&gt;I talk to lots of other parents at parks, while the kids play, and many of them Id describe as small business, self-employed, middle of road swinging voters - and I can assure the ALP that yer average punter is deeply suspicious of for-profit private childcare providers, and wants to see council/ community/ public alternatives.


&lt;/i&gt;
/Digression

Wonderful to see you write that, Lefty E, I&#039;ve been trying to work up a post on that topic for ages (too busy with work and family to complete the work-and-family blogging, heh.) I really felt that was off most peoples&#039; radar, thanks for dispelling that impression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/Digression<br />
<i>I talk to lots of other parents at parks, while the kids play, and many of them Id describe as small business, self-employed, middle of road swinging voters &#8211; and I can assure the ALP that yer average punter is deeply suspicious of for-profit private childcare providers, and wants to see council/ community/ public alternatives.</p>
<p></i><br />
/Digression</p>
<p>Wonderful to see you write that, Lefty E, I&#8217;ve been trying to work up a post on that topic for ages (too busy with work and family to complete the work-and-family blogging, heh.) I really felt that was off most peoples&#8217; radar, thanks for dispelling that impression.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/07/30/who-is-deserting-the-liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-388651</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>St Margaret


&lt;blockquote&gt;My theory on why this McMansion living, 4WD driving, plasma TV viewing â€˜non-materialisticâ€™ christians are deserting the Liberals is simply because of WorkChoices.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Aah, I think you will find these people (all 230 of them) negotiate their own contracts at work, rather than rely on Awards or trade unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>St Margaret</p>
<blockquote><p>My theory on why this McMansion living, 4WD driving, plasma TV viewing â€˜non-materialisticâ€™ christians are deserting the Liberals is simply because of WorkChoices.</p></blockquote>
<p>Aah, I think you will find these people (all 230 of them) negotiate their own contracts at work, rather than rely on Awards or trade unions.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiros, after 14 years handing out how-to-votes I am well aware of the distinction. You seem to think that &quot;The Blue Rinse, Colonel Blimp and suburban chamber of commerce brigade, who once dominated the safe Liberal vote, is now dead (perhaps literally)&quot; were wealthy people in Malvern and Double Bay; I say they weren&#039;t. We&#039;re in furious agreement so leave it at that. In contrast:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Weekend before Cup Tuesday. Media space is a bit crowded, which is not good for Howard if he has to presume he will be coming from behind, although itâ€™s not as bad as Nov 10 which would see the Cup fall in the last campaign week.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The election will be the biggest story all round, so what&#039;s with this nonsense about crowded media space? &quot;Sorry, we can&#039;t run a story on tax policy, here&#039;s a piccy of Big Brown Horse at 5-1 on&quot; - I doubt it. 

That guy who was Premier of Victoria before Steve Bracks had the bright idea of holding his election around the time of the footy finals and Melbourne Cup, and look where that&#039;s got him.

It can&#039;t be December 15 because then you&#039;d have the count going over Christmas/New Year (and you&#039;d have to pay all those part-time polling officials for public holidays).

Howard has to face down a reputation for being arrogant and out of touch. The Downer thing just cements a reputation for let-them-eat-cake disconnectedness from the real world. The Libs should send him to some place with no media feed and keep him there until February.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiros, after 14 years handing out how-to-votes I am well aware of the distinction. You seem to think that &#8220;The Blue Rinse, Colonel Blimp and suburban chamber of commerce brigade, who once dominated the safe Liberal vote, is now dead (perhaps literally)&#8221; were wealthy people in Malvern and Double Bay; I say they weren&#8217;t. We&#8217;re in furious agreement so leave it at that. In contrast:</p>
<blockquote><p>Weekend before Cup Tuesday. Media space is a bit crowded, which is not good for Howard if he has to presume he will be coming from behind, although itâ€™s not as bad as Nov 10 which would see the Cup fall in the last campaign week.</p></blockquote>
<p>The election will be the biggest story all round, so what&#8217;s with this nonsense about crowded media space? &#8220;Sorry, we can&#8217;t run a story on tax policy, here&#8217;s a piccy of Big Brown Horse at 5-1 on&#8221; &#8211; I doubt it. </p>
<p>That guy who was Premier of Victoria before Steve Bracks had the bright idea of holding his election around the time of the footy finals and Melbourne Cup, and look where that&#8217;s got him.</p>
<p>It can&#8217;t be December 15 because then you&#8217;d have the count going over Christmas/New Year (and you&#8217;d have to pay all those part-time polling officials for public holidays).</p>
<p>Howard has to face down a reputation for being arrogant and out of touch. The Downer thing just cements a reputation for let-them-eat-cake disconnectedness from the real world. The Libs should send him to some place with no media feed and keep him there until February.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simpsons movie review from the only reviewer that you can regularly trust:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bigempire.com/filthy/simpsonsmovie.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Filthy Critic says four fingers&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simpsons movie review from the only reviewer that you can regularly trust:<br />
<a href="http://www.bigempire.com/filthy/simpsonsmovie.html" rel="nofollow">The Filthy Critic says four fingers<br />
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		<title>By: Martin B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, Downerâ€™s been particularly asinine lately.</p>
<p>That â€œdo you expect to to crawl in the dirtâ€? whinge was award-winning tilt for Chief Donkey status &#8211; even with the stiff frontbench competition that Katz alludes to.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed he has been in career best form. Did you catch his &#8220;Boo hoo&#8221; review of the Tampa affair?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I put my money on November 3. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Weekend before Cup Tuesday. Media space is a bit crowded, which is not good for Howard if he has to presume he will be coming from behind, although it&#039;s not as bad as Nov 10 which would see the Cup fall in the last campaign week.

I say the election will almost certainly be one of the four dates Nov 17 - Dec 8.

My reasoning is at the Pollbludger &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pollbludger.com/505#comment-19430&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

The earliest date, given that the addresses to Parliament go ahead on Sep 11 and 12 is 20 Oct, but I think Howard will go later rather than sooner.

Dec 15 and some states have already (just) started school holidays.

So Oct 20 &amp; 27, Nov 3 and Dec 15 are all possible, but Nov 17 - Dec 8 are far more likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I put my money on November 3. </p></blockquote>
<p>Weekend before Cup Tuesday. Media space is a bit crowded, which is not good for Howard if he has to presume he will be coming from behind, although it&#8217;s not as bad as Nov 10 which would see the Cup fall in the last campaign week.</p>
<p>I say the election will almost certainly be one of the four dates Nov 17 &#8211; Dec 8.</p>
<p>My reasoning is at the Pollbludger <a href="http://www.pollbludger.com/505#comment-19430" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>The earliest date, given that the addresses to Parliament go ahead on Sep 11 and 12 is 20 Oct, but I think Howard will go later rather than sooner.</p>
<p>Dec 15 and some states have already (just) started school holidays.</p>
<p>So Oct 20 &amp; 27, Nov 3 and Dec 15 are all possible, but Nov 17 &#8211; Dec 8 are far more likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Downer&#039;s been particularly asinine lately.

That &quot;do you expect to to crawl in the dirt&quot; whinge was award-winning tilt for Chief Donkey status - even with the stiff frontbench competition that Katz alludes to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Downer&#8217;s been particularly asinine lately.</p>
<p>That &#8220;do you expect to to crawl in the dirt&#8221; whinge was award-winning tilt for Chief Donkey status &#8211; even with the stiff frontbench competition that Katz alludes to.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It would nice for someone to point out how badly alot of Howardâ€™s ideals cut right across the grain when it comes to Australian values, though I guess he has done a pretty good job of that himself with Workchoices.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But on the other hand, 10 years of governance by Howard and his motley band of control freaks, manipulators, obsessives and liars has produced superb political grand guignol that has proven to be endlessly diverting for a left libertarian such as my good self.

I&#039;m particularly amused by persons like committed happy clappers staggering under the burdens of falling incomes and rising mortgage debts clinging devotedly to Howard&#039;s insincere pieties.

Dirigisme of the Left is hardly more attractive than dirigisme of the Right from a policy point of view. And the Rudd ministry will be duller and greyer than the likes of Mad Monk Abbott, Smirker Costello, Dolly Downer, Cadavre Ruddock, Kevin Andrews, Peter Reith, Bill Heffernan.

No, Australia will be a less amusing place when, after defeat, this carnivalesque troupe of arse clowns withdraws to pen their unreliable memoirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It would nice for someone to point out how badly alot of Howardâ€™s ideals cut right across the grain when it comes to Australian values, though I guess he has done a pretty good job of that himself with Workchoices.</p></blockquote>
<p>But on the other hand, 10 years of governance by Howard and his motley band of control freaks, manipulators, obsessives and liars has produced superb political grand guignol that has proven to be endlessly diverting for a left libertarian such as my good self.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly amused by persons like committed happy clappers staggering under the burdens of falling incomes and rising mortgage debts clinging devotedly to Howard&#8217;s insincere pieties.</p>
<p>Dirigisme of the Left is hardly more attractive than dirigisme of the Right from a policy point of view. And the Rudd ministry will be duller and greyer than the likes of Mad Monk Abbott, Smirker Costello, Dolly Downer, Cadavre Ruddock, Kevin Andrews, Peter Reith, Bill Heffernan.</p>
<p>No, Australia will be a less amusing place when, after defeat, this carnivalesque troupe of arse clowns withdraws to pen their unreliable memoirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other slowburn - which Im sure Rudd will address in an election campaign - is childcare availability, childcare costs, and the transition to kindergarten (and finding long day care then).

I talk to lots of other parents at parks, while the kids play, and many of them Id describe as small business, self-employed, middle of road swinging voters - and I can assure the ALP that yer average punter is &lt;em&gt;deeply suspicious&lt;/em&gt; of for-profit private childcare providers, and wants to see council/ community/ public alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other slowburn &#8211; which Im sure Rudd will address in an election campaign &#8211; is childcare availability, childcare costs, and the transition to kindergarten (and finding long day care then).</p>
<p>I talk to lots of other parents at parks, while the kids play, and many of them Id describe as small business, self-employed, middle of road swinging voters &#8211; and I can assure the ALP that yer average punter is <em>deeply suspicious</em> of for-profit private childcare providers, and wants to see council/ community/ public alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: St Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>St Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory on why this McMansion living, 4WD driving, plasma TV viewing &#039;non-materialistic&#039; christians are deserting the Liberals is simply because of WorkChoices.  By presiding benignly over the historically long resources boom and propping up the housing sector, Howard has encouraged people to think that the good times are really rolling and they can have as many material goods as they can buy plus send their kids to private schools and credit themelves up to the max.  

But now Howard has introduced WorkChoices and these people are just incensed.  What with no-more-penalty-rates clauses placed in their AWAs, they just won&#039;t be able to buy as much as they used to and the slightly rising interest rates are a problem too.  Hence the massive shift in the polls to Labor.  But Graham Young pussyfoots all around this claiming that these liberal christians only just think Howard&#039;s got too much baggage and has been in too long.  I love the way he also seems to urge these Liberal waverers to vote Howard in this election (because he&#039;ll only stay for two more years) and then make up their minds (between presumably Costello and Rudd) next time.  In fact this Graham Young appears to be a Liberal himself in the same sort of quandary, but since he is a christian is unwilling to admit the real reasons (ie WorkChoices and Money) is why that nice christian Mr Rudd is looking like such a good deal.

Nobody darst say that word WorkChoices, but if Howard loses the next election is this really going to be the reason why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory on why this McMansion living, 4WD driving, plasma TV viewing &#8216;non-materialistic&#8217; christians are deserting the Liberals is simply because of WorkChoices.  By presiding benignly over the historically long resources boom and propping up the housing sector, Howard has encouraged people to think that the good times are really rolling and they can have as many material goods as they can buy plus send their kids to private schools and credit themelves up to the max.  </p>
<p>But now Howard has introduced WorkChoices and these people are just incensed.  What with no-more-penalty-rates clauses placed in their AWAs, they just won&#8217;t be able to buy as much as they used to and the slightly rising interest rates are a problem too.  Hence the massive shift in the polls to Labor.  But Graham Young pussyfoots all around this claiming that these liberal christians only just think Howard&#8217;s got too much baggage and has been in too long.  I love the way he also seems to urge these Liberal waverers to vote Howard in this election (because he&#8217;ll only stay for two more years) and then make up their minds (between presumably Costello and Rudd) next time.  In fact this Graham Young appears to be a Liberal himself in the same sort of quandary, but since he is a christian is unwilling to admit the real reasons (ie WorkChoices and Money) is why that nice christian Mr Rudd is looking like such a good deal.</p>
<p>Nobody darst say that word WorkChoices, but if Howard loses the next election is this really going to be the reason why?</p>
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