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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/08/06/so-did-you-know-your-limits/#comment-83766</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FXH - I was but a wee bairn in the 70s, so raffia&#039;s never really been in my craft box. The still is all stalled at the moment - I looked into a NZ-made jobby last year, but it wasn&#039;t big enough (probably to conform to the rules as laid out by Hilker above) and was powdercoated cheap &amp; nasty steel. Next time I&#039;m doing it right, so it&#039;ll be out with the welder and make one from scratch. Electric element installed in a beer keg is the latest theory, or two steel milking buckets welded rim-to-rim.

Water recycling&#039;s a toughie, because it comes out of the cooling jacket bloody hot. A friend over in Perth used to run it into the bath and sit there soaking while he fine-tuned the flow rate and &#039;supervised&#039; the process - I imagine a fair bit of quality testing was involved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FXH &#8211; I was but a wee bairn in the 70s, so raffia&#8217;s never really been in my craft box. The still is all stalled at the moment &#8211; I looked into a NZ-made jobby last year, but it wasn&#8217;t big enough (probably to conform to the rules as laid out by Hilker above) and was powdercoated cheap &amp; nasty steel. Next time I&#8217;m doing it right, so it&#8217;ll be out with the welder and make one from scratch. Electric element installed in a beer keg is the latest theory, or two steel milking buckets welded rim-to-rim.</p>
<p>Water recycling&#8217;s a toughie, because it comes out of the cooling jacket bloody hot. A friend over in Perth used to run it into the bath and sit there soaking while he fine-tuned the flow rate and &#8216;supervised&#8217; the process &#8211; I imagine a fair bit of quality testing was involved!</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/08/06/so-did-you-know-your-limits/#comment-83765</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halfway&lt;a href=&quot;http://homedistiller.org/legal.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; down this page there is a bit on the Oz legal situation&lt;/a&gt;. Legal ok in NZ. Not in USA.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.puredistilling.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pure Distilling - Australia Largest Manufacturer of Quality Stills&lt;/a&gt; - presumably someone makes non quality ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halfway<a href="http://homedistiller.org/legal.htm" rel="nofollow"> down this page there is a bit on the Oz legal situation</a>. Legal ok in NZ. Not in USA.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.puredistilling.com/" rel="nofollow">Pure Distilling &#8211; Australia Largest Manufacturer of Quality Stills</a> &#8211; presumably someone makes non quality ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fdb - you with the program and taking online orders these days? None of that 70&#039;s raffia tied to bottle these days I hope.

I got a shock the other week.  I went around to one of my aunties the other day. She&#039;s 75 or so. I hadn&#039;t been to her place for years. So she took me out to the laundry to see her still and insisted I try a few snorts. At 10 am. On a weekday. On my way to another work gig. Brightened up a rainy melbourne day it did.

She said she got the still from New Zealand where its all legit. She gave me the website somewhere and said she&#039;d coach me on the skill. It got a bit complicated lately trying to recycle water etc but she&#039;s got that sorted with hoses and tanks out the window etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fdb &#8211; you with the program and taking online orders these days? None of that 70&#8242;s raffia tied to bottle these days I hope.</p>
<p>I got a shock the other week.  I went around to one of my aunties the other day. She&#8217;s 75 or so. I hadn&#8217;t been to her place for years. So she took me out to the laundry to see her still and insisted I try a few snorts. At 10 am. On a weekday. On my way to another work gig. Brightened up a rainy melbourne day it did.</p>
<p>She said she got the still from New Zealand where its all legit. She gave me the website somewhere and said she&#8217;d coach me on the skill. It got a bit complicated lately trying to recycle water etc but she&#8217;s got that sorted with hoses and tanks out the window etc.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Grass &amp; drink you’re in the pink,
drink &amp; grass you’re on your ass.&quot;

Yeah, but if you&#039;re hepped up on goofballs nothing can take you down. I wish I could make that rhyme...

Hilker:

Yea verily, acid was my drug of choice for many a year. Mostly because it suited my addictive personality, in that (as much fun as it is) I never really wanted to take more than once a fortnight or so. It&#039;s a roughly annual thing now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Grass &amp; drink you’re in the pink,<br />
drink &amp; grass you’re on your ass.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, but if you&#8217;re hepped up on goofballs nothing can take you down. I wish I could make that rhyme&#8230;</p>
<p>Hilker:</p>
<p>Yea verily, acid was my drug of choice for many a year. Mostly because it suited my addictive personality, in that (as much fun as it is) I never really wanted to take more than once a fortnight or so. It&#8217;s a roughly annual thing now.</p>
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		<title>By: amphibious</title>
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		<dc:creator>amphibious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alcohol &amp; green, there is a cautionary rhyme that all 14yr old learn, if too late.
Grass &amp; drink you&#039;re in the pink,
drink &amp; grass you&#039;re on your ass.
Any (private) distillation of alcohol without an (unobtainable) permit is illegal.
Customs used to have a squad, technically the Diesel &amp; Excise department,chasing  people using tax free diesel on-road but, after pressure on Frazer from the Nats, devoted soley to harassing old italian &amp; yugoslavians following their proudly honed family traditions of making grappa, slivovich and schnapps. In the &#039;old country&#039; the raw materials were, by definition, scraps coz food was the first priority.
Oddly, prosecutions were rare and NEVER for the amounts confiscated which might have had something to do with the squad being useless elsewhere in Customs coz they were drunks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alcohol &amp; green, there is a cautionary rhyme that all 14yr old learn, if too late.<br />
Grass &amp; drink you&#8217;re in the pink,<br />
drink &amp; grass you&#8217;re on your ass.<br />
Any (private) distillation of alcohol without an (unobtainable) permit is illegal.<br />
Customs used to have a squad, technically the Diesel &amp; Excise department,chasing  people using tax free diesel on-road but, after pressure on Frazer from the Nats, devoted soley to harassing old italian &amp; yugoslavians following their proudly honed family traditions of making grappa, slivovich and schnapps. In the &#8216;old country&#8217; the raw materials were, by definition, scraps coz food was the first priority.<br />
Oddly, prosecutions were rare and NEVER for the amounts confiscated which might have had something to do with the squad being useless elsewhere in Customs coz they were drunks.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word.</description>
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		<title>By: Hilker</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/08/06/so-did-you-know-your-limits/#comment-83760</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDB
Unless you have specific permits for fuel or commercial booze production, then it is illegal in Oz to even own a still with a boiler capacity over 5 litres, regardless of what you do or don&#039;t still in it. However you can buy complete distillation units just about anywhere in Oz, including boilers of 25 litres or bigger, and explicit instructions on how to use it to make booze, so obviously the law is turning a blind eye. (&#039;Blind&#039;. Get it?) The hypocrisy of it is staggering, considering the extreme demonisation of green.

Citrus zest/oil is a pretty good flavouring. We used to buy the little bottles of flavour concentrate from  Coles/Woolies. The best ones were lemon, lime, bitters, and peppermint, and they work in various combinations (go easy on the peppermint, it is strong). But you need to also add a bit of sweetness, we used glucose, not sucrose (normal table sugar).

Our first couple of runs through the still were with any swill we could get our poor student hands on. Which meant all the cheap undrinkable rotgut that friends had sitting in the back of their booze cupboards, including cask wine, cooking sherry, crap beer, nasty liqueurs, you name it, the whole lot was just mixed together and run. We had to run it twice to clean it up properly but the product was crystal clear and very nice to drink, and hangover-free (people don&#039;t believe that, but it is true).

I look forward to your Top Aussie Gin, â??Fancyâ??s Fine Old Sippinâ?? Crunkâ??. LOL. Should sell with a name like that.

Sounds like you had some pretty wild days in your youth. Me too. Didn&#039;t get into the powders myself, but plenty around me did, I went for green and a bit of acid (&#039;Clearlights&#039;), and lots of music.


&lt;blockquote&gt;Problem is thereâ??s not many easy ways of telling whether youâ??ve had a nice clean fermentation, FDB, if youâ??re an ordinary punter who canâ??t tell CH3OH from CH3CH2OH using a box of half-inch nails and a shifting spanner.
DD&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is pretty easy to tell if you have a clean ferment, just smell and taste it. Trust me, only people without any sense of smell or taste at all couldn&#039;t tell methanol from ethanol.

Besides which, methanol is only produced in very small quantities in most ferments. There is more methanol in a couple litres of orange juice than in a 25 litre plain sugar ferment (another reason why stillin is actually quite safe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDB<br />
Unless you have specific permits for fuel or commercial booze production, then it is illegal in Oz to even own a still with a boiler capacity over 5 litres, regardless of what you do or don&#8217;t still in it. However you can buy complete distillation units just about anywhere in Oz, including boilers of 25 litres or bigger, and explicit instructions on how to use it to make booze, so obviously the law is turning a blind eye. (&#8216;Blind&#8217;. Get it?) The hypocrisy of it is staggering, considering the extreme demonisation of green.</p>
<p>Citrus zest/oil is a pretty good flavouring. We used to buy the little bottles of flavour concentrate from  Coles/Woolies. The best ones were lemon, lime, bitters, and peppermint, and they work in various combinations (go easy on the peppermint, it is strong). But you need to also add a bit of sweetness, we used glucose, not sucrose (normal table sugar).</p>
<p>Our first couple of runs through the still were with any swill we could get our poor student hands on. Which meant all the cheap undrinkable rotgut that friends had sitting in the back of their booze cupboards, including cask wine, cooking sherry, crap beer, nasty liqueurs, you name it, the whole lot was just mixed together and run. We had to run it twice to clean it up properly but the product was crystal clear and very nice to drink, and hangover-free (people don&#8217;t believe that, but it is true).</p>
<p>I look forward to your Top Aussie Gin, â??Fancyâ??s Fine Old Sippinâ?? Crunkâ??. LOL. Should sell with a name like that.</p>
<p>Sounds like you had some pretty wild days in your youth. Me too. Didn&#8217;t get into the powders myself, but plenty around me did, I went for green and a bit of acid (&#8216;Clearlights&#8217;), and lots of music.</p>
<blockquote><p>Problem is thereâ??s not many easy ways of telling whether youâ??ve had a nice clean fermentation, FDB, if youâ??re an ordinary punter who canâ??t tell CH3OH from CH3CH2OH using a box of half-inch nails and a shifting spanner.<br />
DD</p></blockquote>
<p>It is pretty easy to tell if you have a clean ferment, just smell and taste it. Trust me, only people without any sense of smell or taste at all couldn&#8217;t tell methanol from ethanol.</p>
<p>Besides which, methanol is only produced in very small quantities in most ferments. There is more methanol in a couple litres of orange juice than in a 25 litre plain sugar ferment (another reason why stillin is actually quite safe).</p>
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		<title>By: The Devil Drink</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ribbon&#039;s a nice touch.
There&#039;s nobody in the world funnier than a drug dealer with a mission. My favourite was one character who got about in a panel van professionally done up with all the tradesmen&#039;s accoutrements, and decals on the side that said &quot;Skunk Cleaning&quot; with a phone number and a picture of Pepe Le Pew. (I think he&#039;s in jail now).
God knows what he would have done if he&#039;d actually been run up to do any cleaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ribbon&#8217;s a nice touch.<br />
There&#8217;s nobody in the world funnier than a drug dealer with a mission. My favourite was one character who got about in a panel van professionally done up with all the tradesmen&#8217;s accoutrements, and decals on the side that said &#8220;Skunk Cleaning&#8221; with a phone number and a picture of Pepe Le Pew. (I think he&#8217;s in jail now).<br />
God knows what he would have done if he&#8217;d actually been run up to do any cleaning.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How much were you asking, and did you go in for fancy packaging?&quot;

Uncanny! My nickname is Fancy, as a matter of fact, and yes, it was a very nicely presented package deal. Label on the grappa said &quot;Fancy&#039;s Fine Old Sippin&#039; Crunk&quot;, with the illegals in a ziplock bag tied to the neck of the bottle with a purple ribbon. No holds barred in the all-night craft sessions of my (comparative) youth. $100 the lot, mostly because the crystal was so clean.

I&#039;m surprised I remember any of this, I must say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How much were you asking, and did you go in for fancy packaging?&#8221;</p>
<p>Uncanny! My nickname is Fancy, as a matter of fact, and yes, it was a very nicely presented package deal. Label on the grappa said &#8220;Fancy&#8217;s Fine Old Sippin&#8217; Crunk&#8221;, with the illegals in a ziplock bag tied to the neck of the bottle with a purple ribbon. No holds barred in the all-night craft sessions of my (comparative) youth. $100 the lot, mostly because the crystal was so clean.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised I remember any of this, I must say.</p>
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		<title>By: The Devil Drink</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mate, you should be in Marketing, though I&#039;ll take your word for the messyness. Smoko after drinking always is.
How much were you asking, and did you go in for fancy packaging?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mate, you should be in Marketing, though I&#8217;ll take your word for the messyness. Smoko after drinking always is.<br />
How much were you asking, and did you go in for fancy packaging?</p>
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