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	<title>Comments on: Government investigates workplace abusers in government Workplace Relations ads</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/08/07/government-investigates-workplace-abuses-in-workplace-relations-ads/#comment-82697</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, yes, in many instances it doesn&#039;t spell out well enough what will be different and what the implications will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, yes, in many instances it doesn&#8217;t spell out well enough what will be different and what the implications will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/08/07/government-investigates-workplace-abuses-in-workplace-relations-ads/#comment-82696</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken, mark, but I guess I get a bit frustrated with the line that the ALP&#039;s IR policy is &quot;unclear&quot; as it derives from Coalition spin, basically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken, mark, but I guess I get a bit frustrated with the line that the ALP&#8217;s IR policy is &#8220;unclear&#8221; as it derives from Coalition spin, basically.</p>
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		<title>By: mark (not b)</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/08/07/government-investigates-workplace-abuses-in-workplace-relations-ads/#comment-82695</link>
		<dc:creator>mark (not b)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks TimT and Mark for steering me
Mark- &quot;I don&#039;t know what&#039;s unclear&quot;.....no criticism, but a link on a blog for someone seeking information is not really clarity.
It&#039;s a bit like &quot;seek and ye shall find&quot;, which is not what I would call clear and unequivocal, generally available information.
The PDF, as linked, provides a lot of spin and rhetoric, and some information - assuming one has the time and intellect to be interpretive. But for the average punter there aren&#039;t enough specific &quot;we will&quot; and &quot;we will not&quot; statements in order to get a clear idea.
Again Mark B,  I look forward to a link to your paper for information, which I assume will be spin-free (that&#039;s not sarcastic!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks TimT and Mark for steering me<br />
Mark- &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s unclear&#8221;&#8230;..no criticism, but a link on a blog for someone seeking information is not really clarity.<br />
It&#8217;s a bit like &#8220;seek and ye shall find&#8221;, which is not what I would call clear and unequivocal, generally available information.<br />
The PDF, as linked, provides a lot of spin and rhetoric, and some information &#8211; assuming one has the time and intellect to be interpretive. But for the average punter there aren&#8217;t enough specific &#8220;we will&#8221; and &#8220;we will not&#8221; statements in order to get a clear idea.<br />
Again Mark B,  I look forward to a link to your paper for information, which I assume will be spin-free (that&#8217;s not sarcastic!).</p>
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		<title>By: Pollytickedoff</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/08/07/government-investigates-workplace-abuses-in-workplace-relations-ads/#comment-82694</link>
		<dc:creator>Pollytickedoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m still able to pay you but I’m entitled to only pay you 50 per cent of what you’re owed.&quot;

Also notice he doesn&#039;t mention he is supposed to pay the rest to the ATO and provide his subcontractor with a PAYGW Statement. Bet he didn&#039;t do either of those things either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m still able to pay you but I’m entitled to only pay you 50 per cent of what you’re owed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also notice he doesn&#8217;t mention he is supposed to pay the rest to the ATO and provide his subcontractor with a PAYGW Statement. Bet he didn&#8217;t do either of those things either.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nswbc.com.au/channels/media_centre/nbaf-jouney020807.mpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Business Lobby Anti Union Ad &lt;/a&gt;(Warning 7mb mpeg file.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nswbc.com.au/channels/media_centre/nbaf-jouney020807.mpg" rel="nofollow">Business Lobby Anti Union Ad </a>(Warning 7mb mpeg file.)</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now the &lt;a href=&quot;http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/08/1999667.htm?section=justin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Business lobby Groups &lt;/a&gt;are going to flog a dead horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now the <a href="http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/08/1999667.htm?section=justin" rel="nofollow">Business lobby Groups </a>are going to flog a dead horse.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guillame, the fact he didnt have an ABN is merely further evidence he &lt;strong&gt;wasnt &lt;/strong&gt;an independent contractor.

As an employee, he doesn&#039;t need to invoice for his wages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guillame, the fact he didnt have an ABN is merely further evidence he <strong>wasnt </strong>an independent contractor.</p>
<p>As an employee, he doesn&#8217;t need to invoice for his wages.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To what degree was all this explained to him, though? The kid&#039;s 18.

In any case, I suspect the law doesn&#039;t enable him to escape his obligations under a contract that easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To what degree was all this explained to him, though? The kid&#8217;s 18.</p>
<p>In any case, I suspect the law doesn&#8217;t enable him to escape his obligations under a contract that easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Guilliame</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guilliame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;DAMIEN RICHARDSON: There was no signing up. When you&#039;re a subcontractor you have to invoice me and you also have to ? you also have to provide me with an ABN number. Now, if you don&#039;t provide me with an ABN (Australian Business Number) number I&#039;m still able to pay you, and this is through the taxation law, I&#039;m still able to pay you but I&#039;m entitled to only pay you 50 per cent of what you&#039;re owed.

TONY EASTLEY: Well, did he invoice you, or has he been paid?

DAMIEN RICHARDSON: He&#039;s never invoiced me and he&#039;s never actually ever asked me for money.&quot;</description>
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&#8220;DAMIEN RICHARDSON: There was no signing up. When you&#8217;re a subcontractor you have to invoice me and you also have to ? you also have to provide me with an ABN number. Now, if you don&#8217;t provide me with an ABN (Australian Business Number) number I&#8217;m still able to pay you, and this is through the taxation law, I&#8217;m still able to pay you but I&#8217;m entitled to only pay you 50 per cent of what you&#8217;re owed.</p>
<p>TONY EASTLEY: Well, did he invoice you, or has he been paid?</p>
<p>DAMIEN RICHARDSON: He&#8217;s never invoiced me and he&#8217;s never actually ever asked me for money.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TimT, firstly I disagree that this scandal is either unimportant or non-existent.

Secondly, Labor won&#039;t be getting rid of casual jobs.

Thirdly, I&#039;m working on a policy paper for the CPD on IR which will be out before the election, and as part of that I&#039;ll be critiquing the ALP policy (which I find disappointing in many respects) so no doubt there&#039;ll be posts from me on that issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TimT, firstly I disagree that this scandal is either unimportant or non-existent.</p>
<p>Secondly, Labor won&#8217;t be getting rid of casual jobs.</p>
<p>Thirdly, I&#8217;m working on a policy paper for the CPD on IR which will be out before the election, and as part of that I&#8217;ll be critiquing the ALP policy (which I find disappointing in many respects) so no doubt there&#8217;ll be posts from me on that issue.</p>
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