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49 Responses to “Saturday Salon”


  1. 1 Greensborough GrowlerNo Gravatar

    Richmond

  2. 2 Alex on the BusNo Gravatar

    Melbourne.

  3. 3 Alex on the BusNo Gravatar

    (I thought we were just going in reverse order for once…)

    Second and third, by the way.

  4. 4 LeinadNo Gravatar

    Sasquatch.

    Oh, and welcome back Kim!

  5. 5 silkwormNo Gravatar

    Howard has just pledged another $15 million for World Youth Day after a request from the Catholics for more funding for the event.

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=285478

  6. 6 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    Howard has just pledged another $15 million for World Youth Day after a request from the Catholics for more funding for the event.

    Yep Ratty is giving money to help his Mate George Pell bring Pope Ratty over :-)

    (sorry, I couldn’t Resist)

  7. 7 H&RNo Gravatar

    No, he’s just giving more money to Sydney.

  8. 8 Graham BellNo Gravatar

    Silkworm, Frank Calabrese and 12-Gauge H&R:

    J W Howard really has lost the plot if he thinks that this has locked up the Catholic vote [whatever that’s supposed to be these days].

    Pumping money into a major event like this does make commercial sense - if a lot of the visiting youth stay a bit longer to see something of Australia.

  9. 9 steveNo Gravatar

    Ratty is giving money to anyone who claims to be on his side of the fence by the looks of it.

    A LIBERAL MP fighting claims of electoral fraud has been reimbursed the $24,000 in printing entitlements he hastily repaid earlier this year.

    In a surprise development, the Finance Department has written to Ross Vasta to confirm the compensation and to advise that his printing war chest is now $180,000.

    Mr Vasta, pictured, who with two other federal MPs remains under a police investigation for allegedly using taxpayer-funded allowances to prop up the state Liberal Party’s election campaign, received the correspondence last month. In June, he repaid the Finance Department $24,000 for “administrative errors” in his electoral spending.

  10. 10 steveNo Gravatar

    Ratty is handing out white elephants to buy support from the Assembly of God, Family First and affiliated Howard cheersquad members.

    FEDERAL government report last year derided the idea of an internet pornography filter now being proposed by John Howard, describing it as expensive, system-clogging and of “questionable benefit”.

    The Prime Minister yesterday joined Communications Minister Helen Coonan for the official launch of the $189 million policy to curb the availability of pornography to children.

    The policy was hailed by the Christian lobby but attacked by civil libertarians.

    The package gives parents the choice of either free pornography filter software for their personal computer, or having their internet service provider (ISP) conduct the screen.

    Senator Coonan yesterday said the Government would be “footing the bill” for those parents who chose to have the ISP filter, saying it was “one of the answers”. But in March last year she paraded research by the Government’s NetAlert agency, which found ISP filters to be white elephants.

  11. 11 JamieNo Gravatar

    Docutmented here

    What do you do when you need right-wing votes and want to be quiet about it? Kick the trannies while they are down.

    This one hits very close to home for me, as I got a limited validity passport just days after this was passed; I should not have been allowed to, apparently. Also, I will likely have to divorce my wife to get a full passport. When did the passport office get to decide who could and couldn’t be married?

    Please read. Please repost as a proper post for a wider audiance. We need help. :(

  12. 12 another outspoken femaleNo Gravatar

    The Democrats said something sensible yesterday. I thought they’d gone off and died under a rock but it appears they’ve woken up and realised it is an election year. Amidst the madness, someone in politics is not afraid to go after the not-rabidly-christian vote.

  13. 13 anthonyNo Gravatar

    FEDERAL government report last year derided the idea of an internet pornography filter

    steve, as long as it can prevent videos of old men wanking on the internet, then I’m willing to consider it.

  14. 14 steveNo Gravatar

    Speaking of old men wanking here’s the latest shot in the Blogging war.

  15. 15 Tyro RexNo Gravatar

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/6941392.stm

    Anthony Wilson, the music mogul behind some of Manchester’s most successful bands, has died of cancer. The Salford-born entrepreneur, who founded Factory records, the label behind New Order and the Happy Mondays, was diagnosed last year.

    Last weekend Lee Hazlewood, this weekend Tony Wilson … which of my remaining musical heroes will die next week?

  16. 16 steve at the pubNo Gravatar

    Gosh, how can we all get onto this gravy train? I could do with several million slung in my direction. For that sort of money I would have to consider swallowing my principles & voting for the scoundrel.

  17. 17 GerryNo Gravatar

    Howard is setting up a rational for withdrawl from Iraq, in case he needs it… :

    http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/11/2002515.htm

  18. 18 joe2No Gravatar

    Steve your link to the “latest shot in the blogging war” is a pearler. Margaret Simons does a fine job at explaining recent blog history and cleverly repeating the haunting past words, of Ruppy the ghost, that surely keep old hacks up at night, crying into the last dregs of the Chivers Regal.

    The article must be worthy of a thread of it’s own.

  19. 19 philiptraversNo Gravatar

    My older Jehovah Witness friends,when I see them, didnt deserve the problem of very limited financial resources, that Bob Brown,Bartlett, and Australian Families Fielding an others voted against in the Senate.In fact,why would the major parties deny a aged pensioner increase!? The answer is,obvious, they do not practice what they are so willing to preach!?And well even if you are a Jehovahs Witness, the contribution to the material side of Australia now, is known in part by me.And still sometime to a final destiny is reached,if, their health is allowed to be maintained and improved by a serious evaluation..that hasnt taken place.Do you think Bob is trying some sort of emotional blackmail of Christians for some other reason!? Dont think so! Is fielding being real,on this matter of pensioner payment increases!?He has to live with the fact he has been unsuccessful..which will tear at him.And AndrewBartlett and young family,much younger than Rudds….He could be very frightening on the streets,if by chance an older citizen is being badly mistreated! Act, you might say!?dont think so…Some things are high responsibilities and taken personally. I wouldnt be surprised down in Tasmania Bob Brown is greeted in a friendly manner by ex-Timber related people or present ones for showing something up about the two major party groupings. Very strange alliances and real ones can occur rapidly in times of deep distress,that could of been avoided by proper principles in place.

  20. 20 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar
  21. 21 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    First line should read Thingss Must be Desperste for the libs.

  22. 22 paul walterNo Gravatar

    Why does a person have to go to the blogs to find out thenews?
    firstly, the vasta thing.Don’t recall that on my ABC newlast night.
    And Gillard being adhominem-ed by yet another slag from winc; a trollop who slept her way to the top; as a certain near-disgraced senator’s former bed moll.

  23. 23 naskingNo Gravatar

    Julia shines like a beacon of sanity…Miss Penelope Bishop moves jerkily to the manipulation of the puppetters.

    Hope you had time to breath fresh air Kim…every good person deserves a change of scenery now & then.

  24. 24 ScorpioNo Gravatar

    Are you back on the vino again Frank. Your starting to slur a bit.

    “First line should read Thingss Must be Desperste for the libs.”

  25. 25 ScorpioNo Gravatar

    Just read a good article in the Age. It seems that “Workchoices” is the main reason why the Libs are polling so poorly.

    It also gives some good information on party internal polling and comes up with the finding that “Workchoices� is by far the primary reason for an 8 percent swing to Labor. It appears locked in and nothing short of the total repeal of workchoices will get any of them back IMHO.

    “In more bad news for the Coalition, The Age has obtained national polling, conducted for the ACTU between March and July, which found 8 per cent of people who voted for the Coalition in 2004 planned to vote Labor this year.

    When asked what was the most important issue that had caused them to switch, 30 per cent picked industrial relations law. The next biggest issues were health care, ranked first by 18 per cent of people, and climate change (12 per cent).

    When asked their top three reasons for changing votes, 54 per cent included IR laws.

    The results are confirmed by confidential figures from the Government side, provided by the Liberal Party’s research gurus Crosby/Textor.

    In a June 21 research report, OzTrack 33, also obtained by The Age, they found big anti-Government swings among part-time workers, and “lower white (collar)/upper blue (collar)� workers, the classic “Howard battler� demographic.

    “Substantially more vote changers rank the IR laws in their top three issues,� said the ACTU pollsters, Essential Research. “Vote changers are also less likely to rank management of the economy and political leadership in their top three issues.�

    I really loved this quote from Joe Hockey though.

    “Workplace Relations Minister Joe Hockey dismissed the analysis, saying it was “straight out of the dirty tricks manual� with no credibility.�

    Don’t you just love him! He even dismisses his own party polling. Talk about being in denial.

  26. 26 ScorpioNo Gravatar

    I forgot the Link sorry, here it is. Good reading on the West poll also.
    http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/08/10/1186530622300.html

  27. 27 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    AM report re Westpoll.


    KEITH PATTERSON: Fifty-four to 46 for the ALP, and if the ALP’s got that sort of a lead in Western Australia, then the Coalition is in very deep trouble.

    CHRIS UHLMANN: Keith Patterson is chief executive of the company that produces Westpoll for the West Australian newspaper. A poll of 400 voters taken this week shows a complete reversal of fortunes for the Coalition in the last month. Labor leads now by nine points on the two party preferred vote.

    Politicians on both sides contacted by Saturday AM were dubious about the figures. Liberal Member for Canning, Don Randall, says they don’t gel with his reading of the local mood.

    DON RANDALL: This is probably a rogue poll, but in saying that, it’s always tough when you’re going for five terms, and it’s going to be a tough fight for every member in Western Australia. But in saying that, most of the electorates in Western Australia have a huge amount of people on Australian Workplace Agreements who know that if Mr Rudd becomes prime minister and Julia Gillard the industrial relations minister, they’re going to tear up their Australian Workplace Agreements, in effect tearing up their jobs.

    CHRIS UHLMANN: The Labor member for Perth and Shadow Education Minister, Stephen Smith, is cautiously optimistic.

    STEPHEN SMITH: Well, I think whatever Westpoll is saying today, what we do know is that in terms of marginal seats in Perth, it’ll go down to the wire. I do think that, as in the rest of the country, there is a mood for change. I pick up in Western Australia that people think John Howard’s past his best, that the Government’s run out of ideas, and they are looking for a fresh, positive policy approach which Kevin Rudd is providing in a calm and sensible way.

    Even if the methodology and the sample are Roguish, this will really mess with Howard’s Head.

  28. 28 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    hmm, I’ve been Spaminated.

  29. 29 ZarquonNo Gravatar

    Watched the SBS show on the Triffids Born Sandy Devotional then trawled through youtube looking at Triffids/Black Eyed Susans videos…

    Just remember … The sweeter the song, the sharper the rocks

  30. 30 blacklightNo Gravatar
  31. 31 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar
  32. 32 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar
  33. 33 KatzNo Gravatar

    Poor Mr Howard. Facing annihilation in Bennelong. Who’da thought…

    Well, I suppose the good folks of Bennelong can take some consolation in the fact that they are about to do somethingthat hasn’t been done since 1929 — voting down a sitting PM. That prospect must be just a bit exciting for these folks.

    But back to poor Mr Howard…

    If only he’d stayed on message with his themes of common decency, eschewing political correctness, encouraging good people to feel relaxed and comfortable, he may not be facing this humiliation right now.

    Instead, once Mr Howard discovered the dog whistle and the wedge, and the extreme yet deliciously furtive pleasure he derived from manipulating them, he couldn’t leave them alone. Sadly, Mr Howard has expended himself with his self-destructive vice.

    Nothing much for Mr Howard to do now but to start drafting his concession speech…

    History provides a few guidelines.

    Mr Nixon wrote one that put the best gloss possible on his mendacity. Of course, he already knew that Mr Ford was going to give him a presidential pardon, and that must have greatly eased his mind.

    Instead, poor Mr Howard will have to deal with the bitter reproaches of fellow Liberals who believe that he has destroyed the dignity and credibility of the Liberal Party.

  34. 34 The Happy RevolutionaryNo Gravatar

    The Libs still have a chance, but if they do win, Bennelong would be some slight consolation.

  35. 35 ScorpioNo Gravatar

    The Happy Revolutionary on 12 August 2007 at 8:07 am

    The Libs still have a chance, but if they do win, Bennelong would be some slight consolation.

    It’s looking more like they have two chances; Buckley’s and None!

    Instead, once Mr Howard discovered the dog whistle and the wedge, and the extreme yet deliciously furtive pleasure he derived from manipulating them, he couldn’t leave them alone. Sadly, Mr Howard has expended himself with his self-destructive vice.

    You know the old saying; “Lay down with Dogs and you get Fleas”,
    I think Crosby & Textor are the “Dogs” and he is following their advice to the letter.
    Maybe they are Labor Secret Agents. LOL

  36. 36 Andy McAndyNo Gravatar

    if you have time, look at the GetUp campaign at http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/NoRubberStamp, and think about sending a message before Tuesday to the Senate, about the NT National Emergency Response laws - the senators are going to vote on the laws then, without having had time to read through the submissions to the hearing, or really think about the implications of controlling Aboriginal lives (lots of rights that most of us take for granted will be denied to Aborigines in the NT). The Law Council of Australia thinks this is undemocratic.

  37. 37 Sir HenryNo Gravatar

    Hmm, If that happens, Katz, Jack Strocchi owes me $50. I wonder where he is?

  38. 38 steveNo Gravatar

    Sir Henry, he was last seen running away from a religious schools debate.

  39. 39 steveNo Gravatar
  40. 40 ivapNo Gravatar

    News from the subcontinent, Gareth Evans spanks and gets spanked back,

    Gareth Evans, the former Foreign Minister of Australia, despite his intellectual credentials, has become a part of the antique furniture of the international bureaucracy that is obsessed with policing the world according to the Western gospel….

    … Evans’ R2P which is nothing but a neo-colonialist cover for arbitrary intervention, based on the hidden agendas of Western powers manipulating/stoking troubled spots through their hired agents planted in local NGOs. Evans’ exercise in Colombo demonstrates this amply. He strides into ICES, … like Gulliver rushing into douse the fire in the Lilliputian Queen’s Palace. He has no hesitation in pulling out his fire hose and urinating on it from his height. Some critics have already branded his R2P as the “Right to Pâ€?!

    R2P = Right to Protect

  41. 41 mickNo Gravatar

    I just had a fantastic weekend in London. Just thought I’d share.

  42. 42 AmandaNo Gravatar

    May I recommend the new Glenn Close show that has started in the States, Damages? Juicy legal thriller goodness. Also starring Our Rose.

    Wikipedia entry, nothing really spoliery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damages_%28TV_series%29

  43. 43 mickNo Gravatar

    Oh, and I saw the Transformers movie -it was totally awesome.

  44. 44 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    Oh dear, looks like Howard has become embroiled in his own “Burke Affair”

    A TOP Liberal fund-raiser and friend of Prime Minister John Howard has been appointed to important Federal Government positions despite an involvement in questionable land deals.

    An Age investigation of the property development history of Benjamin Chow, a member of the NSW Liberal Party’s fund-raising committee, has uncovered his key role in multimillion-dollar residential developments in Sydney and Brisbane that became beset by legal disputes, secret payments, false documents and allegations of fraud.

    Described by Mr Howard three years ago as a “very good friend”, Mr Chow also admits lobbying immigration ministers up to 150 times on behalf of people in the Chinese community seeking favourable visa decisions, including while he served as a member of the Government’s Council for a Multicultural Australia in 2000-06.

    The visa issue has caused trouble for the Government in the past. In 2003, then immigration minister Philip Ruddock faced a Senate inquiry into the “cash for visas” affair after it was revealed he made a number of interventions in immigration cases connected to a Liberal donor from Sydney’s Lebanese community.

    The revelations about Mr Chow’s past conduct as a property developer, his friendship with Mr Howard and status as a Liberal fund-raiser are again likely to raise questions about the Government’s process for making appointments to federal boards and committees — which its political opponents have alleged are stacked with Liberal mates.

  45. 45 paul walterNo Gravatar

    Katz’ comments alluding to “poor Mr. Howard” reminded me of a comment roughly attributable to Socrates along the lines of, people find it harder to do wrong than to do right.
    Can you imagine how knackered Howard must be feeling.
    Nowadays, especially, what with property prices falling in Bennelong, as some of dark complexion wonder, “goes ’round, comes ’round”?

  46. 46 NabakovNo Gravatar

    I just had a fantastic weekend in London. Just thought I’d share.

    Good to hear. London’s actually a pretty damn good place if you know what things you want to do there.

    And I recently had a fantastic fortnight in Paris. Which is an equally great place if you know why you want to do things there.

    Like idling an afternoon away at a cafe on the Boulevard Bourdon (the red one on the Rue de la Cerusaie corner) across from the canal, while the sound system played songs like this on a warm and jaunty Paris spring evening. Yes the fashions have improved but the flirting is still world best practice.

  47. 47 mickNo Gravatar

    Nabs, I’m yet to spend any time at all in Paris. It’s something that I plan to amend in the near future.

  48. 48 NabakovNo Gravatar

    Nabs, I’m yet to spend any time at all in Paris. It’s something that I plan to amend in the near future.

    Speaking as someone who’s France/Paris expeditionary incursions are now approaching double digits, I can confidently say do it! After all Paris may be eternal but you are not.

    I’ve travelled quite a bit and I have to say the three greatest cities (with a capital C) I’ve experienced are London, New York and Paris. All sharing the same crackling ozone of a great metropolis yet each utterly different.

    If you’d care to contact me at wilberforcepike at hotmail dot com, I can pass on some tips, contacts and recommendations about Paris you’ll never find in any hip travel guide. Like the real underground catacombs tour, how to get into the Hemingway Bar at the Ritz while stoned off your tits, where the Street of Paper is and how to properly organise brunch at the Market of the Red Orphans.

  49. 49 Frank CalabreseNo Gravatar

    Mark, a Technical Request. Would it be possible for Each Week’s Saturday Salon to be “Stickey’ed to the top of the Front Page so it can be easily accessible ? Would reduce the number of off topic posts.

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