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9 responses to “MSM blogging and other related musings”

  1. H&R

    If you can’t beat em, integrate em!

  2. Kim

    Sheesh! Click through to Sam’s penultimate vidblog, where she discusses “relationship dealbreakers” (are “small boobs” one? – that’s one of the questions addressed) and interviews a “visiting American psychoanalyst”. The horror! The horror!

  3. another outspoken female

    I have also pondered the journalist playing blogger phenomenom and came to the same conclusion, that it always comes out as a mini-article. But more than that, I think it is relationship with their audience. Many bloggers write for no one, or rather themselves. This unselfconscious style is the opposite of traditional journalism. The journalist is acutely aware of their audience and the tone can range from mock-matey to absolutely patronising. I’ve linked to Sam before in my post at LP, I find her utterly cringeworthy and the majority of those who comment on her ‘blog’ equally as bad. I just don’t know if I can contemplate looking at a vlog of her without bringing up my breakfast.

  4. Phil

    Thereâ??s another interesting analysis to be written about the News â??blogsâ?? which get very heavy comments, but thatâ??s a tale for another day.

    It’s become pretty obvious in my online media watching that many MSM guys and gals don’t know how, are unable and even unwilling to translate what talent they do have to good blogging, something that requires a different attitude with regard to their readers.

    In a nutshell, big media talent does not appear to like interacting with their readers, something that is essential if it’s to be done at all and important if you want it to become a really effective media.

    Secondly, it’s important for the talent to understand one important blogging principle, collectively your readers are smarter than you, it’s this humility that makes a good blogger. If the talent does not take this principle to heart then their blog is effectively useless as a conversational media, it just becomes more of some talking head talking to us rather than with us and the readership will be effectively useless.

    Yes the talent will get lots of comments, but largely that’s a function of power of notiriety given to them by the masthead rather than any illuminating content they might provide. Put any good blogger in their shoes and they’d eventually deliver a similar result. It’s not about the comments, it’s about the conversation.

    I know they talk about the newsroom time factor, but if that’s a problem for the talent then hire dedicated bloggers who can handle moderation and continued conversation on a daily basis, I think little miss Sam at the SMH does this. Maybe it is the case that you can only be one kind of online media writer and not both?

    If I want straight information, I read the newspapers, op-eds or watch TV news. Blogs really are for conversation and the fleshing out of ideas and issues, and not just with other commenters but importantly the writer. Is the talent up to talking to their readers on an equal footing? At the moment it doesn’t look like it.

    The question I always ask is why do they want to blog? Is it just to drive traffic? Or to develop meaningful conversations with your readers in the hopes of learning something from them? At the moment it’s looks like the former.

    But what do I know, I’m just a blogger.

  5. Kim

    Blogocracy:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/news/blogocracy/index.php/news/comments/pm_wont_quit_will_he#19630

    So much for those who said Tim would never criticise GG columnists again.

    However, much of the post does do the whole “let’s stay on the safe side” thing that you get in the MSM:

    I also think that such a scenario—that Howard needs to go—underestimates the task Labor has ahead of them in regaining the 16-odd seats needed to secure government. Even the sadly out of touch and past-his-use-by-date PM that JA describes is still capable of a holding onto a few marginals and therefore retaining a workable majority.

    Nope. He’s in trouble in many “safe seats”. The Libs just upped the number of “marginal seats” which receive funding from head office to 40.

    So while not impossible, I doubt very much Mr Howard will go. If he does, it will be touch-and-go as to whether the positives JA sees in Costello will be enough to counteract the admission of defeat that the PM’s resignation would necessarily represent.

    Bet each way anyone?

  6. Phil

    I’m loathe to criticise Tim but there has been a shift in his writing, more to the safe and probably shooting for a broader audience.

    So much for filling the long tail of niches. The MSM still thinks in terms of the mass market of eyeballs looking in one direction and have no real understanding of how important the mass of eyeballs looking in a whole bunch of directions really is.

    This is especially true for online because digital content is practically limitless and free to store and serve, I just don’t know why they don’t seem to get this. Instead they just shoot for the middle looking for a broad audience in everything.

    By the by, folks might be interested in this You Tube of Cory Doctorow on blogging.

  7. Kim

    Yeah, I’m not dissing Tim personally, Phil, but I find the mainstreaming of his writing rather depressing. I guess that’s what Margaret was talking about in the linked article.

  8. genevieve

    The audience is definitely a factor – there is a tendency when writing for broadsheets to try to tie up ends and answer your own questions which has the power to kill a bloggy style dead in its tracks.
    And some of these people have simply not read enough good blogs to get some idea of what works – they only seem to have read rubbishy ones. The Fairfax blogs are incredibly bad for the most part – only Susan Wyndham seems to know what she’s doing ( and she is terrific.)

  9. Phil

    there is a tendency when writing for broadsheets to try to tie up ends and answer your own questions which has the power to kill a bloggy style dead in its tracks.

    Yep, to some degree an important part of good blogging requires that the readers fill in the blanks as they see fit……as a result the discussions are always interesting and can surprise.

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