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16 responses to “Leave futurism to the sci-fi writers – "Future Files"”

  1. philiptravers

    Nice work if you can get it! And because the gladioli champion is so wonderfully over-paid in comparison to myself,I guess his guest are already in a future that doesnt include me.And I think the future will probably let go of Einstein as a good story once told, but a bit , outrageous on its edges..and the edge effects keep getting in everyones pre or de scriptions of the future.I hope people get sick and tired of money or whatever form it may have in the future.

  2. Helen

    Having surfed in here from Making Light, coincidentally, I notice that Vernor Vinge, who I think was the person who thought up the concept of “the Singularity”, is a novelist published by Teresa and Patrick Neilsen Hayden’s company Tor books. What the hey. It’s a small world.

    I read about Vinge in Damien Broderick’s The Spike, which is an extrapolation of Vinge’s Singularity idea. Basically, the idea of the singularity is that around 2020 (I think) or so, things are gonna get so weird that we can’t even predict how weird they’re gonna get.

    I think things are weird enough, personally.

    http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009335.html#009335

  3. Zarquon

    The future is now.

  4. Robert Merkel

    Sounds like an interesting read.

    My objection to the technological singularity hypothesis is not that it can’t happen, ever, is that there’s no evidence that it’s anywhere close to happening now.

  5. Brian

    I speak as one who was once the Qld Department of Education’s representative on the local branch of the World Future Society. That was about 20 years ago.

    Unsurprisingly there is not much similarity between what has happened since and what the WFS was thinking about then. Don Stammer used to do a column in the BRW. One of his favourite themes was that looking back each year you could see that the most important factor influencing the share market was an “X” factor that had been entirely unforeseeable.

    Still futurology is supposed to allow us to choose between alternative futures. Nothing wrong with trying to work out where you want to go, but it needs more competence than Watson seems to have at his disposal. I heard him on LNL and was underwhelmed.

  6. j_p_z

    Try all you like, there’s still no futurology that’s funnier than the Futurists.

    My only disappointment is that Marinetti never got to do a guest spot on ‘The Jetsons…’

    GEORGE: Jane, how do you STOP this crazy thing?!
    MARINETTI: You don’t *stop* it, you bourgeois fool! You let the glorious machine rend you to pieces, thus clearing away the old order, and making room for the coming of Futurist Man!
    GEORGE: But, we’re in the future right now. The show is called the Jetsons.
    MARINETTI: Bah, you call *this* a future?!

  7. BilB

    I have the advantage of being able to look back 50 years and that gives me some credibility in being able to look forward to the next 50 and make some predictions. But very importantly it is essential that we actively try to anticipate the near future. Most noteably because we now, more than at any other time in history, need to decide how our world will be performing 50 years and 100 years from now. Global warming is the thing you see. It is very much the fear of failure in prediction that is causing much of the government paralysis in establishing action plans for our future environment.

    Looking back I would say that what has happened in the last 50 years is as much remarkeable for what has changed as it is for what hasn’t. And most of the things that have changed can be seen as optional participation. Apart from computing and manufacturing, medicine is probably the only area of change where advances have dramatically altered the way that things are done. But even there the impact on peoples lives is occasional rather than a central focus. Computers are, of course, a major shift in the way things are done. Micro controllers are infused into every piece of equipment produced nowadays and the impact varies from profound: computer controlled machinery; computer augmented medical equipment; to trivial with computer driven entertainment devices of every description. And of course there is the television set.

    In my life the things that have altered significantly are the way clothes are washed, the way that dishes are washed, the way that the machinery that I use to earn a living performs automatically, and the way I entertain my self when at rest, have improved out of sight. Everything else is periferal and optional. We still go to school in the same way (perhaps driven rather than walking), we still dress in the same way, we still eat in the same way, we still get drunk in the same way. But that brings up the very significant behavioural change of drugs.

    As for flying cars, very much my current passion since my younger daughter put me to the task of producing one, they are very close. Not the levitating kind seen in star wars (this will have to wait until dark matter can be contained) but the small flying winged variety. For anyone interested, google the Cafe Foundation to see what the state of the play is.

    The next 50 years I believe will only see a gradual change. Things will look significantly different but the underlying function will be very much the same. There will be many technology advances but the way in which they are applied is very much a commercial function rather than an aspirational one.

  8. Tyro Rex

    I recently read The Shock Of The Old by David Edgerton and he argues that it’s not invention or innovation that matters as such with technology but use. For example, maintenance is frequently overlooked as a technological factor in systems.

    And how anyone can suggest that consensus will collapse in regard to the theory of evolution is completely beyond me. This guy is not some I.D. shill is he?

    JPZ: The Jetsons in the Episode of Harvey Birdman, Attorney At Law, ‘Back to the Present’ from Wikipedia

    In the far off year of 2002, the Jetsons live in their luxurious, futuristic house high above the Earth’s surface. Their lives are suddenly turned upside down when the water level begins rising at an alarming rate. Global warming caused the ice caps to melt, and the Earth to become nothing but water. Suddenly, mutants begin breaking into the house, which is unable to get high enough to be out of the water’s reach.

    Fortunately, they manage to make it to the distant past (2004), specifically to Harvey’s office. Much to their dismay, they realize they have to walk to Harvey’s desk from the entrance as there are no moving conveyer belts on the floor. The long journey takes them all night and they lose Astro to exhaustion and Judy to a pack of dogs.

    They tell Harvey that they want to sue everyone for screwing up the earth for them. The case goes to court, but George has a problem with the jury. X sets up the Jury Vac, a robotic jury that has the Apple startup sound when plugged in, and the trial is underway. Mentok clashes with boy genius Elroy, who has a device from the future that tells him past events before Mentok does them. Freezoid uses his powers of cold on the warm August day to show how global warming is preposterous. In the end, Jury Vac gives the verdict… on the O.J. Simpson trial.
    Somehow, the Jetsons lose the case, and return to their own time using the Delorean from the Back to the Future movies, as rising water levels surround Harvey and the gang. Everyone has a hearty laugh.

  9. Robert Merkel

    Still futurology is supposed to allow us to choose between alternative futures. Nothing wrong with trying to work out where you want to go, but it needs more competence than Watson seems to have at his disposal. I heard him on LNL and was underwhelmed.

    Fair point, Brian. However, I think trying to predict most things (particularly cultural) 50 years out is all but impossible. And, clearly, to do a reasonable job I think one needs to think about a range of different scenarios, with lots of “if/then” going on.

  10. BilB

    I would add to your comment, Robert, that the range of different scenarios are likely to all become real at the same time, but with different groups. You could imagine a very high tech future for the US military and be reasonably safe. You could imagine a different robot filled future for the very wealthy and be proven correct. You could predict no change at all and be very safe for huge parts of the world. I don’t think that there is any one true future picture.

    What I will predict is the automatically guided car. The components are all available, if some country decides to assemble them. The autonomous plane is already a reality but before long will be available in the under $100,000 dollar department. And robotic assistance as in the process of expanding in scope and scale. Computers have already made most of their impact and people are starting to say I’m fine with what I have, this is fast enough. Software to extend peoples creative scope is the most unpredictable dimension because very clever people can create explosive improvements without any prior indication and without much supporting structure.

    A pet product concept of mine has been what we called the “medical wand”. This was to be a multisensor (ccd, infrared, pressure, sound, movement, orientation)microprocessor in a hand piece, attached (now cordlessly) to a pc based medical database and dianostic software package, and with the internet to the whole world’s medical knowledge base. As a home appliance this concept has the ability to dramatically reduce the number of medical visits along with making them more focused and better supported with definitive information, as well as allowing remote diagnosis via the internet. This product has been possible to achieve for over ten years, but what stops this from happening is that it is a mutli technology device and the scale of the development is beyond any one company. This is, again, by way of saying that what can happen and what will happen are worlds apart.

  11. Helen

    Drivers can’t cope with cars which run on the ground, how the hell would they cope with flying ones?

  12. Paul Burns

    Predicting the future accurately is impossible. Even if you give some credence to fortune tellers, their predictions are so nebulous to be of any use to the person having their fortune told, when they’re not downright fraud.
    We have enough problems working out the past. For some periods we have not enough information eg parts of ancient and medieval history, while for others we have far too much to make sense of eg most early modern and modern history. In any case, if one could write the definirive history of anything, history writing on that subject would come to a stop, wouldn’t it, because there’d be no need to write any more.
    In regard to the future – nobody predicted the end of the Cold War, or 9/11. If you can’t predict major events like that what hope has anyone of accurately predicting the future?

  13. BilB

    Helen,
    The technology allows for the planes to fly themselves completely from take off to landing, and the control is far superior to a pilot flying the plane. You will get in and say “take me to grandma’s”, the system will check the route for weather and traffic, it will obtain a clearence and once you have steered the plane onto the takeoff area (which will only be 50 or 100 metres long) and verified that there is nothing in the way, it will take over and fly the route while receiving updated weather and safety information all the way. Airliners are doing this now. The pilots are there to load the data, manage the machinery, and take over if things go wrong. The full system for completely autonomous flight is not in place yet, and by that I mean the groundbased flight path serving dubbed “the noodle in the sky” flight path along which planes will fly in future, but it is heading in that direction. What makes this all possible is the gps navigation system that is appearing in cars nowadays. In reality driving a car is far more hazardous than flying a plane. In a car danger is only ever a few seconds away. As for cars driving themselves, google “automotive radar” and you will see some of the technology that is waiting to be implemented. But particularly there is a system that works as a radar for hazard tracking, distance keeping, and it also receives data from the car in front and passes it through to the car behind. This linked with advanced cruise controls and abs braking systems forms part of the system. The other parts are optical tracking systems that are used routinely in manufacturing, and the lane makers that are on most roads these days will in future contain small electronic tags that can be read by vehicles and offer back information such as which road, which lane, what speed, and what is the next intersection. The thing that holds all of this back is government. The market will not work if government won’t cooperate. The technology is “now” but it could take government 50 years to come up to speed on the potential for such complex interrelated systems to reduce travel times, fuel consumptions, and accidents.

  14. Brian

    Interesting comments, BilB. Yes global warming is one area where we do need to look at likely scenarios.

    My earliest memory is from 1941 when I was 18 months old and ended up in hospital with badly blistered legs up to the knees when I’d walked into a smouldering turkey’s nest. I was 5 years old before I lived in a house, then we got a kerosene refrigerator while keeping the Coolgardie safe (it was an advanced design compared with the primitive examples you see when you google – it’s now in the Miles Historical Village), then 24 watt electricity when I was 11. TV and the photocopier were still some years away.

    So what has happened in the last 60 years or so was not even remotely predictable back then. One prediction that did not come to be were the mass leisure that was supposed to flow from automation. Another was the nuclear holocaust. I fully expected not to be here now and my brother who was born in 1948 said it was thew same for him growing up.

    You’ve missed one of the really important ones. Described as the “most significant medical advance of the 20th century” the contraceptive pill changed gender relations and made the 1960s possible.

  15. BilB

    Brian,

    Spot on, there were a few that I missed after I thought about it, but that is a biggey that I completely missed. The cell phone would be another. Yes it would have been hard to predict the calculator while using a slide rule. I’ll bet, though that you did not feel particularly disadvantaged as a kid growing up that way. In the mid seventies I lived for nearly 2 years in a 6 foot square trailer parked beside the boat that I was building in a derelict timber yard in Glebe, just a few miles from the heart of Sydney, and they were some of the greatest years of my life. As you point out much of the technology has only altered our enjoyment rather than improved it.

    By the way I shared your burns pain. At a similar age I slipped while climbing up the lighted copper to get to the laundry taps and plunged one whole leg into the boiling water.

  16. Brian

    Paul, my favourite quote about history and the future is (via Wallerstein)

    There is said to be a Yugoslav aphorism that goes like this: “The only absolutely certain thing is the future, since the past is constantly changing.”

    When you ask historians why it is important to study history they typically say, “So that we don’t repeat the mistakes of the past”. But then if you ask them exactly which mistakes we are in danger of repeating they usually come up empty.

    I think this is because their main focus is on the past, not the present or the future. In my view historians tend to live in the past, futurologists in the future, whereas clearly the only place to be is the present, albeit with an eye to both the past and the future as “We look before and after, And pine for what is not” (PB Shelley, To a Skylark).

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