Comments on: Forgotten Brisbane and fading Valley http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:22:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63008 Mark Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:46:27 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63008 Poor bloke couldn't even afford to keep it fire safe! Poor bloke couldn’t even afford to keep it fire safe!

]]> By: Danny http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63007 Danny Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:26:12 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63007 Ah, Stefan's needle, now that's what I call irreplaceable heritage. Ah, Stefan’s needle, now that’s what I call irreplaceable heritage.

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63006 Mark Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:41:19 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63006 <blockquote>but does he still operate his, erm, operation up on St Pauls/Boundary do you know Mark?</blockquote> No, Hal9000, his last gasp was the topless car wash which made news all round the google world... <blockquote>Makes you wonder if there aint someone in city hall being paid to try and do what you’re attempting Mark. Imagine the job description!</blockquote> Dunno about the job description, Pablo, but there is a similar project organised by the Brisbane City Council: http://alia.org.au/groups/quill/issues/2003.6/local.brisbane.html http://elibcat.library.brisbane.qld.gov.au/elibcat/ <blockquote>Mark I am in the same ALP branch as many of David Hinchcliffe’s staffers, do you want me to pass your details on and arrange you a meeting or something? I am sure David will welcome policy inputs.</blockquote> That'd be great, Tyro. I was going to email David a copy of this post tomorrow, but you never know what would happen to just an emailed post when a busy staffer receives it with no context! As I said in part of the post, there are elements within the Council who are sensitive to these issues, and Hinchliffe is to be commended for the work he's done, but other parts which are fairly in thrall to the development at all costs mentality. Let's not forget we have a split Council with a Liberal Mayor and a Labor Council majority (though it's a tad more complex than that... but anyway!) Meanwhile, over at West End: <img src="http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/westend.jpg"

but does he still operate his, erm, operation up on St Pauls/Boundary do you know Mark?

No, Hal9000, his last gasp was the topless car wash which made news all round the google world…

Makes you wonder if there aint someone in city hall being paid to try and do what you’re attempting Mark. Imagine the job description!

Dunno about the job description, Pablo, but there is a similar project organised by the Brisbane City Council:

http://alia.org.au/groups/quill/issues/2003.6/local.brisbane.html

http://elibcat.library.brisbane.qld.gov.au/elibcat/

Mark I am in the same ALP branch as many of David Hinchcliffe’s staffers, do you want me to pass your details on and arrange you a meeting or something? I am sure David will welcome policy inputs.

That’d be great, Tyro. I was going to email David a copy of this post tomorrow, but you never know what would happen to just an emailed post when a busy staffer receives it with no context! As I said in part of the post, there are elements within the Council who are sensitive to these issues, and Hinchliffe is to be commended for the work he’s done, but other parts which are fairly in thrall to the development at all costs mentality. Let’s not forget we have a split Council with a Liberal Mayor and a Labor Council majority (though it’s a tad more complex than that… but anyway!)

Meanwhile, over at West End:

<img src="http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/westend.jpg&quot;

]]> By: Tyro Rex http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63005 Tyro Rex Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:06:43 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63005 aml ... I live in a "worker's cottage" ... in Auchenflower. All around of course it's very gentrified, and tastefully renovated, but still a worker's cottage. One old one two doors up, completely untouched since at least the 1970s is for sale ... Why can't Brisbane follow the relatively successful Melbourne model and not the completely soulless Sydney one? In Sydney they are having an angst ridden debate, ten or twenty years too late about the cultural fabric of the city. Meanwhile it seems to me that Melbourne has at least managed to some degree to strike a balance. I thought the Brisbane City Council had some sensitivity in this regard? Mark I am in the same ALP branch as many of David Hinchcliffe's staffers, do you want me to pass your details on and arrange you a meeting or something? I am sure David will welcome policy inputs. aml … I live in a “worker’s cottage” … in Auchenflower. All around of course it’s very gentrified, and tastefully renovated, but still a worker’s cottage. One old one two doors up, completely untouched since at least the 1970s is for sale …

Why can’t Brisbane follow the relatively successful Melbourne model and not the completely soulless Sydney one? In Sydney they are having an angst ridden debate, ten or twenty years too late about the cultural fabric of the city. Meanwhile it seems to me that Melbourne has at least managed to some degree to strike a balance. I thought the Brisbane City Council had some sensitivity in this regard?

Mark I am in the same ALP branch as many of David Hinchcliffe’s staffers, do you want me to pass your details on and arrange you a meeting or something? I am sure David will welcome policy inputs.

]]> By: pablo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63004 pablo Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:36:46 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63004 Just to get this post a little less parochial I recall as a young news roundsman doing the local council beat in Sydney City circa mid 1970's a councillor vote to employ an archivist. The job was specifically to take photos of city architecture before it disappeared. This followed the developers boom of the late 1960's when a lot of fine colonial/victorian stuff went under the bulldozer and union led Green bans were one belated response to concerns across several Sydney local government areas. By Brisbane standards the Sydney Council area was tiny, the councillors invariably pro development so that actually hiring someone to record history was all a bit novel but it does suggest a universal nostalgia for what's gone. Makes you wonder if there aint someone in city hall being paid to try and do what you're attempting Mark. Imagine the job description! Just to get this post a little less parochial I recall as a young news roundsman doing the local council beat in Sydney City circa mid 1970′s a councillor vote to employ an archivist. The job was specifically to take photos of city architecture before it disappeared. This followed the developers boom of the late 1960′s when a lot of fine colonial/victorian stuff went under the bulldozer and union led Green bans were one belated response to concerns across several Sydney local government areas.
By Brisbane standards the Sydney Council area was tiny, the councillors invariably pro development so that actually hiring someone to record history was all a bit novel but it does suggest a universal nostalgia for what’s gone.
Makes you wonder if there aint someone in city hall being paid to try and do what you’re attempting Mark. Imagine the job description!

]]> By: ansteybranchopolous http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63003 ansteybranchopolous Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:53:12 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63003 very sad - old Coburg High School facade is but a day away from complete demolishment - once public land now a tool for profit, I share your concerns http://peter.nook.com.au/ very sad – old Coburg High School facade is but a day away from complete demolishment – once public land now a tool for profit, I share your concerns http://peter.nook.com.au/

]]> By: Craig Mc http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63002 Craig Mc Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:46:50 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63002 <blockquote>the developers just wait out the lifespan of the elderly owners</blockquote> Unless they're the owner of the Wheelers Hill Hotel.

the developers just wait out the lifespan of the elderly owners

Unless they’re the owner of the Wheelers Hill Hotel.

]]> By: Hal9000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63001 Hal9000 Sun, 09 Sep 2007 06:31:48 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63001 I've always thought the premises made famous by the Fitzgerald inquiry need to be preserved, and in this context I noted the other day that Bubbles Bath House is still in fine condition just north of the Brunswick/Water intersection, although no longer catering for the carnal needs of the police force. Fantasy Photographics was still there under the Storey Bridge too, now apparently an upmarket residence. Warren Armstrong keeps bobbing up - you obviously can't keep a good flesh purveyor down - but does he still operate his, erm, operation up on St Pauls/Boundary do you know Mark? I’ve always thought the premises made famous by the Fitzgerald inquiry need to be preserved, and in this context I noted the other day that Bubbles Bath House is still in fine condition just north of the Brunswick/Water intersection, although no longer catering for the carnal needs of the police force. Fantasy Photographics was still there under the Storey Bridge too, now apparently an upmarket residence.

Warren Armstrong keeps bobbing up – you obviously can’t keep a good flesh purveyor down – but does he still operate his, erm, operation up on St Pauls/Boundary do you know Mark?

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63000 Mark Sun, 09 Sep 2007 02:28:44 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-63000 I was pretty sure it'd gone, Angaharad - will have a squizzy to check when I'm down there tomorrow. I was pretty sure it’d gone, Angaharad – will have a squizzy to check when I’m down there tomorrow.

]]> By: Angharad http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-62999 Angharad Sun, 09 Sep 2007 00:34:34 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/08/forgotten-brisbane-and-fading-valley/#comment-62999 Thanks for the retrospective Mark. There's a sad story in here of "we told you so" dating back to the project that kicked off the whole Valley, New Farm development. When Building Better Cities (a Keating / Howe project with State govt and BCC) began in the early 90s, earnest planners consulted with residents - but the people who turned up were the property owners wanting increased values. Shelter, Tenants' Union and NF Neighbourhood Centre and others argued for other voices to be heard, but to not much avail. A few token efforts but no real consideration. A few years later I read a <a href="http://books.google.com.au/books?id=EMM2xowSlEgC&dq=&pg=PP1&ots=Gsp08hKG4c&sig=xaFZu-Vu9gfpY_iHMZD23ErrEHE&prev=http://www.google.com.au/search%3Fhl%3Den%26rls%3DGGLD%252CGGLD%253A2004-50%252CGGLD%253Aen%26q%3Dthe%2Bnew%2Burban%2Bfrontier%2Bgentrification%2Band%2Bthe%2Brevanchist%2Bcity%26btnG%3DSearch%26meta%3D&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title#PPP1,M1" rel="nofollow">books that explained it all </a>(and made a big impact on me). The downside of an explanation that has its drivers in the movement of capital and societal changes is that it's hard to fight. Indeed, as I'm now living in Erskineville in Sydney's inner west, I'm acutely aware that I as much a part of the problem as I am a victim of it. btw Mark - Cafe One, the cafe for people who are homeless is still there. Thanks for the retrospective Mark.

There’s a sad story in here of “we told you so” dating back to the project that kicked off the whole Valley, New Farm development. When Building Better Cities (a Keating / Howe project with State govt and BCC) began in the early 90s, earnest planners consulted with residents – but the people who turned up were the property owners wanting increased values. Shelter, Tenants’ Union and NF Neighbourhood Centre and others argued for other voices to be heard, but to not much avail. A few token efforts but no real consideration.

A few years later I read a books that explained it all (and made a big impact on me). The downside of an explanation that has its drivers in the movement of capital and societal changes is that it’s hard to fight.

Indeed, as I’m now living in Erskineville in Sydney’s inner west, I’m acutely aware that I as much a part of the problem as I am a victim of it.

btw Mark – Cafe One, the cafe for people who are homeless is still there.

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