Comments on: After Howard, the deluge http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:47:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Ambigulous http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-404143 Ambigulous Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:56:37 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-404143 Russell Broadbent's an energetic local member and one of the 'small-L Liberal" group (Petrou Georgiou & Judy Moylan) whose opposition to a nasty JWH change mid-2006, was somewhat overshadowed in the press by (last year's) Costello Dummy-Spit. Future biographers beware: you'll need to label each Annual Dummy-Spit somehow, to distinguish them. Peter McGauran is dynastic, that's true. Someone told me his family owns a good portion of the arable land between Traralgon and Sale: shurely shome mishtake, barman? Peter's seat was regarded as fairly safe, but is also in a region where fewer voters are 'rusted on' these days. Two State ALP members LOST their seats in Gippsland last November: 1. "Dapper little Brendan Jenkins", Left wing, former City Councillor, union base. His seat of Morwell overlaps a bit with Peter McG's federal seat. 2. Ian Maxfield, held Narracan, which overlaps somewhat with Russell Broadbent's seat. Looking back at the ABC State Election website, they had 1. listed as "marginal Labor", margin 4.9%. It was won by Russell Northe (Nationals). They had 2. listed as "safe Labor", margin 6.8%. The seat was won by Garry Blackwood (Liberal). You just never can tell..... cheerio Russell Broadbent’s an energetic local member and one of the ’small-L Liberal” group (Petrou Georgiou & Judy Moylan) whose opposition to a nasty JWH change mid-2006, was somewhat overshadowed in the press by (last year’s) Costello Dummy-Spit. Future biographers beware: you’ll need to label each Annual Dummy-Spit somehow, to distinguish them.

Peter McGauran is dynastic, that’s true. Someone told me his family owns a good portion of the arable land between Traralgon and Sale: shurely shome mishtake, barman? Peter’s seat was regarded as fairly safe, but is also in a region where fewer voters are ‘rusted on’ these days. Two State ALP members LOST their seats in Gippsland last November:

1. “Dapper little Brendan Jenkins”, Left wing, former City Councillor, union base. His seat of Morwell overlaps a bit with Peter McG’s federal seat.
2. Ian Maxfield, held Narracan, which overlaps somewhat with Russell Broadbent’s seat.

Looking back at the ABC State Election website, they had 1. listed as “marginal Labor”, margin 4.9%. It was won by Russell Northe (Nationals). They had 2. listed as “safe Labor”, margin 6.8%. The seat was won by Garry Blackwood (Liberal).

You just never can tell….. cheerio

]]> By: catlick http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403913 catlick Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:37:40 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403913 Will we see John Howard and the Liberals re elected, John finishing his agenda over the next 18 months, then handing over seemlessly, graciously, to a humble, grateful Costello? Would John then quietly take a back bench possie;- an avuncular figure who gave advice when consulted, did not thrust himself forward and deferred to his former deputy as the natural sucessor and the future of the Liberal Party. Perhaps even standing again for another term. This, whilst enjoying additional quality time with his family, especially his dear lady wife, and navigating the myriad of fabric, tile and flooring decisions that a change of house provokes. I. DONT. THINK. SO. Will we see John Howard and the Liberals re elected, John finishing his agenda over the next 18 months, then handing over seemlessly, graciously, to a humble, grateful Costello? Would John then quietly take a back bench possie;- an avuncular figure who gave advice when consulted, did not thrust himself forward and deferred to his former deputy as the natural sucessor and the future of the Liberal Party. Perhaps even standing again for another term. This, whilst enjoying additional quality time with his family, especially his dear lady wife, and navigating the myriad of fabric, tile and flooring decisions that a change of house provokes. I. DONT. THINK. SO.

]]> By: silkworm http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403811 silkworm Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:43:13 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403811 The new word is that Howard will step down on Tuesday, but Joe Hockey was adamant that this report was rubbish. The new word is that Howard will step down on Tuesday, but Joe Hockey was adamant that this report was rubbish.

]]> By: silkworm http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403792 silkworm Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:12:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403792 <blockquote>If I am returned and the Government is returned at the coming election, I will serve my full term as the member of Bennelong, the full three years.</blockquote> What if he is returned and the Government is not returned? Will he still stay on as member for Bennelong? Will he fight to stay on as Opposition leader? What if I am a voter in Bennelong and I don't support Howard but I do support the Liberals (e.g., I could be a Costello supporter)? How should I vote? Brilliant!

If I am returned and the Government is returned at the coming election, I will serve my full term as the member of Bennelong, the full three years.

What if he is returned and the Government is not returned? Will he still stay on as member for Bennelong? Will he fight to stay on as Opposition leader? What if I am a voter in Bennelong and I don’t support Howard but I do support the Liberals (e.g., I could be a Costello supporter)? How should I vote?

Brilliant!

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403777 steve Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:31:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403777 Now Howard has decided that if he hands over to Costello during the next term he will go to the backbench and <a href="http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/national/howard-swears-to-stand-by-bennelong/2007/09/15/1189881312460.html" rel="nofollow">remain the Member for bennelong</a>. It all sounds reminiscent of Joh Bjelke Petersen who plucked the 8/8/88 out of the air as the date for his retirement but never quite made it that far. Now Howard has decided that if he hands over to Costello during the next term he will go to the backbench and remain the Member for bennelong. It all sounds reminiscent of Joh Bjelke Petersen who plucked the 8/8/88 out of the air as the date for his retirement but never quite made it that far.

]]> By: Frank Calabrese http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403717 Frank Calabrese Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:41:47 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403717 The Poisoned Dwarf on the latest Leadership Stoush..... http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22424720-5005374,00.html The Poisoned Dwarf on the latest Leadership Stoush…..

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22424720-5005374,00.html

]]> By: Don Wigan http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403606 Don Wigan Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:39:09 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403606 Back to dynasties for a sec over at The Poll Bludger there was a story that ALP pollsters are hopeful of taking the Minister for Horse Flu's seat. They think he might be more vulnerable than Russell Broadbent. Back to dynasties for a sec over at The Poll Bludger there was a story that ALP pollsters are hopeful of taking the Minister for Horse Flu’s seat. They think he might be more vulnerable than Russell Broadbent.

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403573 Paul Burns Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:45:23 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403573 Probably like most of the bloggers on LP I follow politics assiduously. Now, I might be getting a bit old, but not that old. Still, after two days I'm starting to get a bit confused about who in the Liberal Party is actually leading the country. (I know nobody's running it at the moment.) Howard or Costello? Now if I'm feeling slightly confused about our PM'a new status, with my obsession with politics, how are those punters out there who couldn't care less about politics feeling? A trivia question. In his first appearance as alternate PM, Costello was sod -turning. Where do all those silver spades go when the pollies finish with them, and are they real silver? Probably like most of the bloggers on LP I follow politics assiduously. Now, I might be getting a bit old, but not that old. Still, after two days I’m starting to get a bit confused about who in the Liberal Party is actually leading the country. (I know nobody’s running it at the moment.) Howard or Costello? Now if I’m feeling slightly confused about our PM’a new status, with my obsession with politics, how are those punters out there who couldn’t care less about politics feeling?
A trivia question. In his first appearance as alternate PM, Costello was sod -turning. Where do all those silver spades go when the pollies finish with them, and are they real silver?

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403514 steve Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:01:58 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403514 Since Team Liberal now has a man who cut his teeth on fighting union power in the $weets case, he might like to use his talents in tackling the most powerful union in Australia. As treasurer, I'd expect him to unleash a torrent of taxpayer funded ads to help Australia be freed of this greedy union menace which has plagued our health system for so long. He has been sitting on his hands for eleven years and there seems to be no action so far on this issue. Since Team Liberal now has a man who cut his teeth on fighting union power in the $weets case, he might like to use his talents in tackling the most powerful union in Australia.

As treasurer, I’d expect him to unleash a torrent of taxpayer funded ads to help Australia be freed of this greedy union menace which has plagued our health system for so long.

He has been sitting on his hands for eleven years and there seems to be no action so far on this issue.

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403511 steve Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:46:31 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403511 Looks like the War on the Northern Territory is being <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/15/saturday-salon-116/#comment-403467" rel="nofollow">held to ransom by those big powerful overpaid Union bosses.</a> Looks like the War on the Northern Territory is being held to ransom by those big powerful overpaid Union bosses.

]]> By: jo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403461 jo Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:16:12 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403461 On Labor Dynasties: kelly hoare - who got the boot to make room for greg combet - was handed charlton by her dear old dad. <blockquote> The safe Labor seat of Charlton extends from Newcastle's south-western suburbs along the eastern shore of Lake Macquarie. It's been held by members of the same family since its creation in 1984, first by Bob Brown, and then by his daughter, Kelly Hoare. Today Ms Hoare came up with a novel reason for retaining her endorsement, saying she was the sole breadwinner in her house and she'd have trouble paying off her mortgage if she didn't remain in parliament. </blockquote> not sure if her dad got chucked out of the party, when he didnt support the nong newsreader Iemma dumped onto Newcastle at the last state election...they almost lost the seat, he had a point there. but i expect locals (esp in this heavily unionised area) will be able to tell the difference between Greg Combet - top shelf candidate and potential Minister... and the dopey daughter who thought parliament was a good way to pay off her mortgage. On Labor Dynasties:

kelly hoare - who got the boot to make room for greg combet - was handed charlton by her dear old dad.

The safe Labor seat of Charlton extends from Newcastle’s south-western suburbs along the eastern shore of Lake Macquarie.

It’s been held by members of the same family since its creation in 1984, first by Bob Brown, and then by his daughter, Kelly Hoare.

Today Ms Hoare came up with a novel reason for retaining her endorsement, saying she was the sole breadwinner in her house and she’d have trouble paying off her mortgage if she didn’t remain in parliament.

not sure if her dad got chucked out of the party, when he didnt support the nong newsreader Iemma dumped onto Newcastle at the last state election…they almost lost the seat, he had a point there.

but i expect locals (esp in this heavily unionised area) will be able to tell the difference between Greg Combet - top shelf candidate and potential Minister… and the dopey daughter who thought parliament was a good way to pay off her mortgage.

]]> By: Frank Calabrese http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403435 Frank Calabrese Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:14:35 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403435 re the Nurses Bribe, I don't think the federal ANF will be as rash as the WA ANF Secretary was during the WA State Election by doing a deal with the Libs. For those who don't remember, here's Robert Corr's take :-) http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/28/nurses-liberal-pact/ re the Nurses Bribe, I don’t think the federal ANF will be as rash as the WA ANF Secretary was during the WA State Election by doing a deal with the Libs.

For those who don’t remember, here’s Robert Corr’s take :-)

http://www.redrag.net/2005/01/28/nurses-liberal-pact/

]]> By: Don Wigan http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403432 Don Wigan Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:11:46 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403432 <blockquote>We are bound to have a few “Dad and Dave� moments while this comedy act continues.</blockquote> Pure gold Greenie. Thanks for that info on Tony Whitlam Ambi and Geoff. Replaced by leaping Leo, eh? Well, proof that in some circs the dynasty might be a superior option to the factional hack.

We are bound to have a few “Dad and Dave� moments while this comedy act continues.

Pure gold Greenie.

Thanks for that info on Tony Whitlam Ambi and Geoff. Replaced by leaping Leo, eh? Well, proof that in some circs the dynasty might be a superior option to the factional hack.

]]> By: John Ryan http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403328 John Ryan Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:40:17 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403328 Hi Frank,yeah the West is carrying a torch for the Libs both State and Federal,the reporters on Federal politics are pushing the Liberal barrow,one bloke I think is in love with Howard. Gonna be dark days for them if the Govt goes,why is it the Perth is incapable of having an intelligent coverage of Nation Current Affairs on Perth Radio,cause neither of the two I have heard does a good job,drives me mad,I listen to the world today,its just hopeless Hi Frank,yeah the West is carrying a torch for the Libs both State and Federal,the reporters on Federal politics are pushing the Liberal barrow,one bloke I think is in love with Howard.
Gonna be dark days for them if the Govt goes,why is it the Perth is incapable of having an intelligent coverage of Nation Current Affairs on Perth Radio,cause neither of the two I have heard does a good job,drives me mad,I listen to the world today,its just hopeless

]]> By: Down and Out of Sài Gòn http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403283 Down and Out of Sài Gòn Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:49:51 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403283 <em>Is it just me or is Howard looking more like Billy McMahon every day?</em> Looking at the latest 7:30 report shots I'm thinking P.W. Botha (from about the time he got done over by de Klerk). Is it just me or is Howard looking more like Billy McMahon every day?

Looking at the latest 7:30 report shots I’m thinking P.W. Botha (from about the time he got done over by de Klerk).

]]> By: Ambigulous http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403277 Ambigulous Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:28:45 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403277 thanks Down and Out of Saigon Remarkably consistent with other recent poll results. Still "minus 18 percent". thanks Down and Out of Saigon

Remarkably consistent with other recent poll results. Still “minus 18 percent”.

]]> By: Paul Burns http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403233 Paul Burns Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:17:48 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403233 I don't know if this is an APEC moment or an after the deluge moment. Apparently there's a comic or cartoon around about a rat-like creature that saves the world and has an sidekick that looks very much like JWH. An APEC staffer got Howard to sign her APEC photograph with name of this inept creature, the rat-like creature being GWB. From memory Australians don't usually re-elect PMs who beg ro be put back into office. Is it just me or is Howard looking more like Billy McMahon every day? I don’t know if this is an APEC moment or an after the deluge moment. Apparently there’s a comic or cartoon around about a rat-like creature that saves the world and has an sidekick that looks very much like JWH. An APEC staffer got Howard to sign her APEC photograph with name of this inept creature, the rat-like creature being GWB.
From memory Australians don’t usually re-elect PMs who beg ro be put back into office. Is it just me or is Howard looking more like Billy McMahon every day?

]]> By: Down and Out of Sài Gòn http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403229 Down and Out of Sài Gòn Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:09:05 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403229 <a href="http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2007/4211/" rel="nofollow">Morgan 59-41. Labor 51 on primaries.</a> Morgan 59-41. Labor 51 on primaries.

]]> By: Pollytickedoff http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403214 Pollytickedoff Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:25:59 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403214 "— Howard is not about to say “Don’t worry if I lose my seat I can be parachuted into anotherâ€?. That really would be electoral suicide" Not to mention 1) Who would be expected to give up their seat to satisfy Howard's lust for power 2) Will they even HAVE any safe seats left to parachute him into (not looking good ATM) 3) No matter how safe the seat it is still quite possible there would be significant portion of the electorate PO'd by being forced to vote in a by-election to satisfy Howard's lust for power Bring On the Election. After 4 years of constant election I'm sick of it. “— Howard is not about to say “Don’t worry if I lose my seat I can be parachuted into anotherâ€?. That really would be electoral suicide”

Not to mention
1) Who would be expected to give up their seat to satisfy Howard’s lust for power
2) Will they even HAVE any safe seats left to parachute him into (not looking good ATM)
3) No matter how safe the seat it is still quite possible there would be significant portion of the electorate PO’d by being forced to vote in a by-election to satisfy Howard’s lust for power

Bring On the Election. After 4 years of constant election I’m sick of it.

]]> By: Geoff Robinson http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403199 Geoff Robinson Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:39:13 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/after-howard-the-deluge/#comment-403199 Tony Whitlam was MP 1975-77, unfortunately pushed out for Leo Macleay. Tony Whitlam was MP 1975-77, unfortunately pushed out for Leo Macleay.

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