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	<title>Comments on: Ladies&#8217; Corner: Feminist magazine, skinny celebrity and cats</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/</link>
	<description>Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403818</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403818</guid>
		<description>Silkworm's comments remind me of someone I used to know in the ISO who said that it was a political crime to party before the revolution. Emma Goldman's famous remarks come to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silkworm&#8217;s comments remind me of someone I used to know in the ISO who said that it was a political crime to party before the revolution. Emma Goldman&#8217;s famous remarks come to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403809</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403809</guid>
		<description>Crikey, you must be cracking company. If you don't like what I write, don't read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crikey, you must be cracking company. If you don&#8217;t like what I write, don&#8217;t read it.</p>
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		<title>By: silkworm</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403373</link>
		<dc:creator>silkworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403373</guid>
		<description>Contradictions in terms do not neatly express their intended meanings. They muddy the waters, just like this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contradictions in terms do not neatly express their intended meanings. They muddy the waters, just like this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403329</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403329</guid>
		<description>"Thatâ€™s a contradiction in terms."

As FDB points out, nope it's not. 

"What are you, a dangerous instrument of war or some sort of pale flaccid invertebrate? Dismissed."

Perhaps the best way to defeat Howard is by, errr, doing whatever it is silkworms do (ask a kid with a shoe box full of them what it is they do).

I'm off to stock up on supplies and await the end of Howard. Either that or I'm going to write my next post in which I rate the superhunks (as per that lawyer in the episode of The Simpsons in which Marge is caught shoplifting).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thatâ€™s a contradiction in terms.&#8221;</p>
<p>As FDB points out, nope it&#8217;s not. </p>
<p>&#8220;What are you, a dangerous instrument of war or some sort of pale flaccid invertebrate? Dismissed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps the best way to defeat Howard is by, errr, doing whatever it is silkworms do (ask a kid with a shoe box full of them what it is they do).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m off to stock up on supplies and await the end of Howard. Either that or I&#8217;m going to write my next post in which I rate the superhunks (as per that lawyer in the episode of The Simpsons in which Marge is caught shoplifting).</p>
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		<title>By: su</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403309</link>
		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403309</guid>
		<description>For god's sake your name is being called on the tannoy silkworm; there's a push on at 1700hrs.   

What are you, a dangerous instrument of war or some sort of pale flaccid invertebrate?  Dismissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For god&#8217;s sake your name is being called on the tannoy silkworm; there&#8217;s a push on at 1700hrs.   </p>
<p>What are you, a dangerous instrument of war or some sort of pale flaccid invertebrate?  Dismissed.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403307</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403307</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thatâ€™s a contradiction in terms.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even if it were, Silkworm [incidentally it's not], it's funny and neatly expresses the intended meaning. Meanwhile you continue to be irrellevant and carping on a thread which you claim to have found beneath you. 

If it was pointless and trivial before, it's well fucked now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thatâ€™s a contradiction in terms.</p></blockquote>
<p>Even if it were, Silkworm [incidentally it&#8217;s not], it&#8217;s funny and neatly expresses the intended meaning. Meanwhile you continue to be irrellevant and carping on a thread which you claim to have found beneath you. </p>
<p>If it was pointless and trivial before, it&#8217;s well fucked now.</p>
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		<title>By: silkworm</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403303</link>
		<dc:creator>silkworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403303</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This post is proudly trivial...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's a contradiction in terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This post is proudly trivial&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a contradiction in terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403250</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403250</guid>
		<description>Howard's demise is immiment thus we absolutely must not speak about anything else until he is, errr, demised. Yeah, right. What a hoot if every post was about the same subject (and was totally lacking in humour). 

I suspect you're deliberately trying to bait me or you have a sexist and stereotypical notion of what it is to be a feminist and you also have a traditional idea of what can be considered political.

This post is proudly trivial (although I am happy to point to efforts by young feminists to self-publish), Tigtog's is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard&#8217;s demise is immiment thus we absolutely must not speak about anything else until he is, errr, demised. Yeah, right. What a hoot if every post was about the same subject (and was totally lacking in humour). </p>
<p>I suspect you&#8217;re deliberately trying to bait me or you have a sexist and stereotypical notion of what it is to be a feminist and you also have a traditional idea of what can be considered political.</p>
<p>This post is proudly trivial (although I am happy to point to efforts by young feminists to self-publish), Tigtog&#8217;s is not.</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403249</link>
		<dc:creator>anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403249</guid>
		<description>My goodness silkworm, you've been lured away from your unwavering task of bringing down Howard into commenting on a trivial post. Stay brave and true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness silkworm, you&#8217;ve been lured away from your unwavering task of bringing down Howard into commenting on a trivial post. Stay brave and true!</p>
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		<title>By: silkworm</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403247</link>
		<dc:creator>silkworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403247</guid>
		<description>Howard's demise is imminent and we have two posts on trivial issues (the second is from Tigtog) to put the Left off its game. You are obviously not a feminist, Darlene. Who are you working for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard&#8217;s demise is imminent and we have two posts on trivial issues (the second is from Tigtog) to put the Left off its game. You are obviously not a feminist, Darlene. Who are you working for?</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403196</link>
		<dc:creator>anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403196</guid>
		<description>Thanks PC. It's really nasty bit of work isn't it?

You build a culture of dependency by working up reader's anxieties and reducing self-esteem and then make them feel better about themselves by slagging someone else off. 
I mean even the joy of slagging - there's a brief thrill of "Ha! Sucks! Keira Knightly!" Before returing to the sad reality that she's Keira Knightley and you're reading about her in a supermarket queue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks PC. It&#8217;s really nasty bit of work isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>You build a culture of dependency by working up reader&#8217;s anxieties and reducing self-esteem and then make them feel better about themselves by slagging someone else off.<br />
I mean even the joy of slagging - there&#8217;s a brief thrill of &#8220;Ha! Sucks! Keira Knightly!&#8221; Before returing to the sad reality that she&#8217;s Keira Knightley and you&#8217;re reading about her in a supermarket queue.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403193</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403193</guid>
		<description>Yes, the goal post is all over the place these days. 

I'm going to own up to reading these rags from time to time and I've seen them celebrate a star for being thin, and then give her a hard time because she's too thin, and then have a go at her because she's gaining too much weight. It does one's head in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the goal post is all over the place these days. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to own up to reading these rags from time to time and I&#8217;ve seen them celebrate a star for being thin, and then give her a hard time because she&#8217;s too thin, and then have a go at her because she&#8217;s gaining too much weight. It does one&#8217;s head in.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403186</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403186</guid>
		<description>Yeah, it wasn't meant to be a defence of the mags, just a slightly more nuanced DENUNCIATION!!

They run these "isn't she radiant now she's back up to a size ten", "shows off her healthy new curves" stories, or "wins her battle with the bulge" stories, so they can always say they're really just concerned for the women's health. But with the goalpost-shifting and other inconsistencies this naturally doesn't help the confused-body-image teen one jot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it wasn&#8217;t meant to be a defence of the mags, just a slightly more nuanced DENUNCIATION!!</p>
<p>They run these &#8220;isn&#8217;t she radiant now she&#8217;s back up to a size ten&#8221;, &#8220;shows off her healthy new curves&#8221; stories, or &#8220;wins her battle with the bulge&#8221; stories, so they can always say they&#8217;re really just concerned for the women&#8217;s health. But with the goalpost-shifting and other inconsistencies this naturally doesn&#8217;t help the confused-body-image teen one jot.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403182</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403182</guid>
		<description>"Not quite true. Provided youâ€™re moving from one of the extremes towards the ever-shifting and possibly mythical ideal centre, you get mad props."

Sounds confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not quite true. Provided youâ€™re moving from one of the extremes towards the ever-shifting and possibly mythical ideal centre, you get mad props.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403173</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403173</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Women canâ€™t win in those rags.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not quite true. Provided you're moving from one of the extremes towards the ever-shifting and possibly mythical ideal centre, you get mad props.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Women canâ€™t win in those rags.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not quite true. Provided you&#8217;re moving from one of the extremes towards the ever-shifting and possibly mythical ideal centre, you get mad props.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403169</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403169</guid>
		<description>You know, I just wish as women we wouldn't buy into so much. Having said that, I have looked at those mags in the same way those young women were, and I've done the diet merry go-round.

"I think they were illustrating the concept of â€œendless drivel.â€?

That's funny.

Wow, what a great picture on that site. She rocks. The original mad cat madam.

"Countess of Groan
...half asleep and half aware: with the awareness of anger, the detachment of trance. A furlong of white cats trails after her. A bullfinch has a nest in her red hair. She is the Countess Gertrude of huge clay".

"A furlong of white cats trails after her." 

Hmmm, I've got one white and tortie cat. I don't know if that could be related in such a poetic way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I just wish as women we wouldn&#8217;t buy into so much. Having said that, I have looked at those mags in the same way those young women were, and I&#8217;ve done the diet merry go-round.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think they were illustrating the concept of â€œendless drivel.â€?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s funny.</p>
<p>Wow, what a great picture on that site. She rocks. The original mad cat madam.</p>
<p>&#8220;Countess of Groan<br />
&#8230;half asleep and half aware: with the awareness of anger, the detachment of trance. A furlong of white cats trails after her. A bullfinch has a nest in her red hair. She is the Countess Gertrude of huge clay&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;A furlong of white cats trails after her.&#8221; </p>
<p>Hmmm, I&#8217;ve got one white and tortie cat. I don&#8217;t know if that could be related in such a poetic way.</p>
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		<title>By: su</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403167</link>
		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403167</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That was so important, you had to say it twice .&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think they were illustrating the concept of "endless drivel."

Now back to cats; I see nothing wrong with the stately progression towards multicatitude, as exemplified by my favourite &lt;a href="http://www.mervynpeake.org/gormenghast/gertrude.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;heroine&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That was so important, you had to say it twice .</p></blockquote>
<p>I think they were illustrating the concept of &#8220;endless drivel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now back to cats; I see nothing wrong with the stately progression towards multicatitude, as exemplified by my favourite <a href="http://www.mervynpeake.org/gormenghast/gertrude.html" rel="nofollow">heroine</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403160</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403160</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can I please ask wtf is it with the â€œwhat a fatty!/what a skeleton!â€? thing with mags like NW?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Anthony, it is to keep women abject about their own "inadequacies" so they will keep buying the magazine -- with its endless promises of self-improvement plus pics of fat Kirstie Alley and skinny Keira Knightley to make yourself feel better with, as per Darlene's supermarket scenario.

Buying the magazine is, in turn, only a means to the end of buying the sponsors' products, which include everything from magical 'slimming teas' to Size 32 kaftans from the Great Big Girl Shop. As Darlene says, women can't win. We are not &lt;em&gt;supposed&lt;/em&gt; to win. It's the same kind of Catch-22 as the &lt;em&gt;Zoo&lt;/em&gt; magazine competition to win a new pair of plastic breasts by having nice real ones, except in reverse.

Also as per Darlene's supermarket scenario, there's an additional element of the 'elicit intoxicating self-righteousness from consumer' thing that the commercial TV "current affairs" shows do so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can I please ask wtf is it with the â€œwhat a fatty!/what a skeleton!â€? thing with mags like NW?</p></blockquote>
<p>Anthony, it is to keep women abject about their own &#8220;inadequacies&#8221; so they will keep buying the magazine &#8212; with its endless promises of self-improvement plus pics of fat Kirstie Alley and skinny Keira Knightley to make yourself feel better with, as per Darlene&#8217;s supermarket scenario.</p>
<p>Buying the magazine is, in turn, only a means to the end of buying the sponsors&#8217; products, which include everything from magical &#8217;slimming teas&#8217; to Size 32 kaftans from the Great Big Girl Shop. As Darlene says, women can&#8217;t win. We are not <em>supposed</em> to win. It&#8217;s the same kind of Catch-22 as the <em>Zoo</em> magazine competition to win a new pair of plastic breasts by having nice real ones, except in reverse.</p>
<p>Also as per Darlene&#8217;s supermarket scenario, there&#8217;s an additional element of the &#8216;elicit intoxicating self-righteousness from consumer&#8217; thing that the commercial TV &#8220;current affairs&#8221; shows do so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403159</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403159</guid>
		<description>Yes, it is. It has a website as well.

Don't read it much because I find it a bit dull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is. It has a website as well.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t read it much because I find it a bit dull.</p>
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		<title>By: hannah's dad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403156</link>
		<dc:creator>hannah's dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/13/ladies-corner-feminist-magazine-skinny-celebrity-and-cats/#comment-403156</guid>
		<description>Is Ms still around?
We subscribed to it for years, constantly moaning how it could have been better and occasionally saying 'Well that was a good article".
Overall it was worthwhile and certainly the best, if not the only, example of it's kind.
I suspect our switch to computer sources accounts for us not knowing whether it is still alive.</description>
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We subscribed to it for years, constantly moaning how it could have been better and occasionally saying &#8216;Well that was a good article&#8221;.<br />
Overall it was worthwhile and certainly the best, if not the only, example of it&#8217;s kind.<br />
I suspect our switch to computer sources accounts for us not knowing whether it is still alive.</p>
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