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	<title>Comments on: The Sex Pistols, Sting and other &quot;soggy old dead carcasses&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Hilker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jobby, Alex, thanks for the links.

Frank Zappa said Vinnie Colaiuta was the best poly-rythmn percussionist he ever worked with. High praise indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jobby, Alex, thanks for the links.</p>
<p>Frank Zappa said Vinnie Colaiuta was the best poly-rythmn percussionist he ever worked with. High praise indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very, very nice!!

In return have some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBgyKoWPC5Q&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vinnie playing &lt;/a&gt;my fav 5/4 pattern!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very, very nice!!</p>
<p>In return have some <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBgyKoWPC5Q" rel="nofollow">Vinnie playing </a>my fav 5/4 pattern!</p>
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		<title>By: Jobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clearing that up Alex.

Have some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xir6EVkzDws&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Terry Bozzio&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearing that up Alex.</p>
<p>Have some <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xir6EVkzDws" rel="nofollow">Terry Bozzio</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G&#039;day Jobby.  Great to hear from another drummer!.

You&#039;re right that the term &#039;eighth note triplet&#039; makes no notational sense!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vicfirth.com/education/features/webrhythms/08.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vic Firth puts it better than I&lt;/a&gt; -

&lt;blockquote&gt;They are called eighth note triplets because they use the values of eighth notes. Normally, in 4/4 time, three eighths would have the value of one and a half counts. Now, because of the &quot;false&quot; notation, these three eighths have the value of a single count or a single quarter. It&#039;s as if the number &quot;3&quot; above the triplet tells you: &quot;We all know that three eighths don&#039;t equal a quarter, but let&#039;s make believe that they do.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In terms of Walking on the Moon, you&#039;re right.  Copeland employs the old polyrhythm usually 4 on 6 in various cool guises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;day Jobby.  Great to hear from another drummer!.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that the term &#8216;eighth note triplet&#8217; makes no notational sense!  <a href="http://www.vicfirth.com/education/features/webrhythms/08.html" rel="nofollow">Vic Firth puts it better than I</a> -</p>
<blockquote><p>They are called eighth note triplets because they use the values of eighth notes. Normally, in 4/4 time, three eighths would have the value of one and a half counts. Now, because of the &#8220;false&#8221; notation, these three eighths have the value of a single count or a single quarter. It&#8217;s as if the number &#8220;3&#8243; above the triplet tells you: &#8220;We all know that three eighths don&#8217;t equal a quarter, but let&#8217;s make believe that they do.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>In terms of Walking on the Moon, you&#8217;re right.  Copeland employs the old polyrhythm usually 4 on 6 in various cool guises.</p>
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		<title>By: Jobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Alex. I don&#039;t get you. You can&#039;t have eighth note triplets. Eighth notes are by definition eight in a bar, triplets are in multiples of three. Can you explain a different way?

From memory most of the hi-hat licks on Walking on the Moon are polyrythmic trade-offs between the shuffle feel of the song, straight-ahead 4s, 3 over 4, and 5 over 4, and a few variations.

Copeland&#039;s hi-hat is just insane, he&#039;s been brought in as a session musician on so many occasions just to record cool hi-hat stuff.

Nice to find some other drummers around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Alex. I don&#8217;t get you. You can&#8217;t have eighth note triplets. Eighth notes are by definition eight in a bar, triplets are in multiples of three. Can you explain a different way?</p>
<p>From memory most of the hi-hat licks on Walking on the Moon are polyrythmic trade-offs between the shuffle feel of the song, straight-ahead 4s, 3 over 4, and 5 over 4, and a few variations.</p>
<p>Copeland&#8217;s hi-hat is just insane, he&#8217;s been brought in as a session musician on so many occasions just to record cool hi-hat stuff.</p>
<p>Nice to find some other drummers around here.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry me again.  For those not in the know, be my girl, Sally is about Andy&#039;s love of blow up dolls!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry me again.  For those not in the know, be my girl, Sally is about Andy&#8217;s love of blow up dolls!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine regular eighth note triplets with the first note accented.  Now imagine that these accented notes make up quarter note (sorry I&#039;m a yank)triplets.  Once you do that, you&#039;re 90% of the way there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine regular eighth note triplets with the first note accented.  Now imagine that these accented notes make up quarter note (sorry I&#8217;m a yank)triplets.  Once you do that, you&#8217;re 90% of the way there.</p>
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		<title>By: su</title>
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		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is this the one you’re referring to su?  King of Suede&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That must be it, Adam.  Following Davey&#039;s link up there I came across Thin Lizzy and the Sex Pistols doing christmas carols together on Kenny Everett, and the instant Beegee skit; what a classic.  Never mind Phil Lynott and Sid Vicious, I miss Kenny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is this the one you’re referring to su?  King of Suede</p></blockquote>
<p>That must be it, Adam.  Following Davey&#8217;s link up there I came across Thin Lizzy and the Sex Pistols doing christmas carols together on Kenny Everett, and the instant Beegee skit; what a classic.  Never mind Phil Lynott and Sid Vicious, I miss Kenny.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d happily forgive a thousand musical sins for the hi-hat part on Walking on the Moon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll teach you if you like</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’d happily forgive a thousand musical sins for the hi-hat part on Walking on the Moon.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll teach you if you like</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Copeland really made that band for me; always pushing the beat or dragging it out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Too true. Though a drummer myself, I can&#039;t really consider him an influence as such - his style is just so alien to me. Fluid and staccato at the same time, dynamics akimbo, typical for me of the whole Police sound. Simple pop songs for the most part, with complex, surprising arrangements played perfectly. Granted they stayed on a well-rehearsed course &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt; of the time, but when they let go things could get, as you say, very near chaos.

&lt;i&gt;Mother&lt;/i&gt; from Synchronicity is a case in point. I heard a live version that could have been Syd-era Floyd crossed with The Clash. Seriously odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Copeland really made that band for me; always pushing the beat or dragging it out.</p></blockquote>
<p>Too true. Though a drummer myself, I can&#8217;t really consider him an influence as such &#8211; his style is just so alien to me. Fluid and staccato at the same time, dynamics akimbo, typical for me of the whole Police sound. Simple pop songs for the most part, with complex, surprising arrangements played perfectly. Granted they stayed on a well-rehearsed course <i>most</i> of the time, but when they let go things could get, as you say, very near chaos.</p>
<p><i>Mother</i> from Synchronicity is a case in point. I heard a live version that could have been Syd-era Floyd crossed with The Clash. Seriously odd.</p>
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