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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/24/save-israel-from-its-friends/#comment-67271</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion also brings to mind a series of articles in Quadrant in 1979-80 by Bill Rubinstein in which he argued that Jewish voting patterns in Australia, the US and the UK were undergoing a long-run shift away from left of centre parties to right of centre parties, partly on the basis of the changing socio-economic class composition (and hence class interest) of Jewish communities in those countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion also brings to mind a series of articles in Quadrant in 1979-80 by Bill Rubinstein in which he argued that Jewish voting patterns in Australia, the US and the UK were undergoing a long-run shift away from left of centre parties to right of centre parties, partly on the basis of the changing socio-economic class composition (and hence class interest) of Jewish communities in those countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/24/save-israel-from-its-friends/#comment-67270</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I like the way Australia’s Jewish community is discussed as if it is a homogenous mass of people with similar interests and common values. A golden age …?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This raises an important corollary of the quote from Philip Mendes which I highlighted, which is that on several of the numerous non-ME issues which he cited Jews are as likely as any other ethno-religious group to have diverse interests and values, and to go their separate ways accordingly on election day.  After all, Ian Cohen and John Kaye don&#039;t exactly form a tightly disciplined &quot;Jewish bloc&quot; with Eric Roozendaal in the NSW Upper House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I like the way Australia’s Jewish community is discussed as if it is a homogenous mass of people with similar interests and common values. A golden age …?</p></blockquote>
<p>This raises an important corollary of the quote from Philip Mendes which I highlighted, which is that on several of the numerous non-ME issues which he cited Jews are as likely as any other ethno-religious group to have diverse interests and values, and to go their separate ways accordingly on election day.  After all, Ian Cohen and John Kaye don&#8217;t exactly form a tightly disciplined &#8220;Jewish bloc&#8221; with Eric Roozendaal in the NSW Upper House.</p>
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		<title>By: amphibious</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/24/save-israel-from-its-friends/#comment-67269</link>
		<dc:creator>amphibious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A brilliant and highly OZ-relevant concept was proved in Israel in the early 80s, super-saturated saline ponds.&lt;blockquote&gt;qv the Dead Sea &amp; Lake Eyre.
It was found that temperatures far in excess of boiling point resulted solely from solar radiation. This could be used either for distillation of a secondary pond of brackish/polluted water or electricity by turbine.
Now where is this country do we have lotsa solar radiation and salt, hmmm...?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brilliant and highly OZ-relevant concept was proved in Israel in the early 80s, super-saturated saline ponds.<br />
<blockquote>qv the Dead Sea &amp; Lake Eyre.<br />
It was found that temperatures far in excess of boiling point resulted solely from solar radiation. This could be used either for distillation of a secondary pond of brackish/polluted water or electricity by turbine.<br />
Now where is this country do we have lotsa solar radiation and salt, hmmm&#8230;?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/24/save-israel-from-its-friends/#comment-67268</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiros, the desalination plant up this way is being built by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.veoliawater.com.au/en/access/media/?news=1332&amp;src=vw_group&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Veolia and John Holland.&lt;/a&gt; I could have sworn they are French and Australian.

In the case of Veolia it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.veoliawater.com.au/en/veoliawater/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not their only gig in Australia&lt;/a&gt; although it may be their only desalination project.

&lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiros, the desalination plant up this way is being built by <a href="http://www.veoliawater.com.au/en/access/media/?news=1332&amp;src=vw_group" rel="nofollow">Veolia and John Holland.</a> I could have sworn they are French and Australian.</p>
<p>In the case of Veolia it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.veoliawater.com.au/en/veoliawater/" rel="nofollow">not their only gig in Australia</a> although it may be their only desalination project.</p>
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		<title>By: Razor</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/24/save-israel-from-its-friends/#comment-67267</link>
		<dc:creator>Razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and if you don&#039;t believe it, give Tim Kucera a call at Slater &amp; Gordon in Perth and ask him if he left the CFMEU as In house Counsel because he was punched in the head in a fist-fight in Kevin Reynold&#039;s Office or if that punch was not material in his decision to leave the union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and if you don&#8217;t believe it, give Tim Kucera a call at Slater &amp; Gordon in Perth and ask him if he left the CFMEU as In house Counsel because he was punched in the head in a fist-fight in Kevin Reynold&#8217;s Office or if that punch was not material in his decision to leave the union.</p>
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		<title>By: Razor</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/24/save-israel-from-its-friends/#comment-67266</link>
		<dc:creator>Razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because they were too close to the reality of the CFMEU and ETU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because they were too close to the reality of the CFMEU and ETU</p>
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		<title>By: amused</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/24/save-israel-from-its-friends/#comment-67265</link>
		<dc:creator>amused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have no idea what is meant by this&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then you should keep up with the news a bit more. Two of the the three persons used to illustrate the ads run by a section of business, which suggested that union representation equalled standover tactics and tacit violence, were in fact, convicted crims, and were engaged on the basis that they looked exactly what they were. Naturally, business had already decided to &#039;pull&#039; the ads once this little morsel hit the airwaves. Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have no idea what is meant by this</p></blockquote>
<p>Then you should keep up with the news a bit more. Two of the the three persons used to illustrate the ads run by a section of business, which suggested that union representation equalled standover tactics and tacit violence, were in fact, convicted crims, and were engaged on the basis that they looked exactly what they were. Naturally, business had already decided to &#8216;pull&#8217; the ads once this little morsel hit the airwaves. Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/24/save-israel-from-its-friends/#comment-67264</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Ask your mates why they hired a a convicted s-xual predator and a convicted thug and standover merchant, to enact a piece of phony and disgraceful defamation against people, who leading businesses in this country apparently believe, should not have rights that up to one year and six months ago, they had, and are so determined to prosecute their case, that slander typical of criminal regimes of every ideological persuasion, has been unleashed against every person who is either elected to represent people, and/or the people who elect them, at the workplace. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have no idea what is meant by this. Was this convicted thug, &quot;s-xual predator&quot;, and standover merchant, also standing on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas in 1963?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Ask your mates why they hired a a convicted s-xual predator and a convicted thug and standover merchant, to enact a piece of phony and disgraceful defamation against people, who leading businesses in this country apparently believe, should not have rights that up to one year and six months ago, they had, and are so determined to prosecute their case, that slander typical of criminal regimes of every ideological persuasion, has been unleashed against every person who is either elected to represent people, and/or the people who elect them, at the workplace. </p></blockquote>
<p>I have no idea what is meant by this. Was this convicted thug, &#8220;s-xual predator&#8221;, and standover merchant, also standing on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas in 1963?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen L</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/24/save-israel-from-its-friends/#comment-67263</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Paul,

Last year I was asked to talk on a panel co-ordinated by Philip Mendes on the topic &quot;The Jews and the Left, can we be friends again&quot;. I expected that everyone would be saying the same thing (quite wrongly as it turned out, the diversity of approaches was remarkable) and spent weeks struggling for a new angle.

My main point was the one you&#039;ve made - that the environmentalist part of the left are actually Israel&#039;s best friends, even though it is seldom recognised, because only the environment movement can save Israel from devastation. However, it occurred to me that there is also something of a balancing argument from the other side - Israel is a world leader in some of the technologies, particularly solar power, that are going to be essential to fighting global warming.

Israel needs the Green movement and, to a lesser extent, the Green movement needs Israel. But you&#039;d never know it from the statements of the people who claim to represent the Jewish community in Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Paul,</p>
<p>Last year I was asked to talk on a panel co-ordinated by Philip Mendes on the topic &#8220;The Jews and the Left, can we be friends again&#8221;. I expected that everyone would be saying the same thing (quite wrongly as it turned out, the diversity of approaches was remarkable) and spent weeks struggling for a new angle.</p>
<p>My main point was the one you&#8217;ve made &#8211; that the environmentalist part of the left are actually Israel&#8217;s best friends, even though it is seldom recognised, because only the environment movement can save Israel from devastation. However, it occurred to me that there is also something of a balancing argument from the other side &#8211; Israel is a world leader in some of the technologies, particularly solar power, that are going to be essential to fighting global warming.</p>
<p>Israel needs the Green movement and, to a lesser extent, the Green movement needs Israel. But you&#8217;d never know it from the statements of the people who claim to represent the Jewish community in Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: JB Highfive</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/09/24/save-israel-from-its-friends/#comment-67262</link>
		<dc:creator>JB Highfive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the way Australia&#039;s Jewish community is discussed as if it is a homogenous mass of people with similar interests and common values. A golden age ...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the way Australia&#8217;s Jewish community is discussed as if it is a homogenous mass of people with similar interests and common values. A golden age &#8230;?</p>
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