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	<title>Comments on: Turnbull approves pulp mill</title>
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		<title>By: Bernice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things - have a look at Gunns top ten shareholders. Bank bank &amp; bank again. Australian banks. &amp; the Royal bank of Canada. My favourite is the shareholdings of...Westpac - you know, that bank running those warm fuzzy ads at the moment about our future, with cute penguins &amp; kiddies...if ever there was a case of false advertising.... so let&#039;s not fall for the crap about Australian capital not being involved in this.

Secondly, plantation timber may be the stuff to be pulped BUT the problem is that much of that plantation timber will be grown on ground that comes about by the indiscriminate clearing of primary growth forests, some of which is pulped, little of which is retrieved as useable logs for sawmilling , and much of which is burnt to provide ash seed beds for mono-species plantations. Vast swathes of the north east of the state have had cool temperate forests cleared &amp; now support shining gum plantations for example. With all of its attendant problems of herbicide use, the impact upon water tables&amp; resources, depopulation as rural communities become redundant. Silent forested landscapes.

And all for the right to provide Gunns with access to forest resources for a pulp mill that John Gay reckons has a life of ten years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things &#8211; have a look at Gunns top ten shareholders. Bank bank &amp; bank again. Australian banks. &amp; the Royal bank of Canada. My favourite is the shareholdings of&#8230;Westpac &#8211; you know, that bank running those warm fuzzy ads at the moment about our future, with cute penguins &amp; kiddies&#8230;if ever there was a case of false advertising&#8230;. so let&#8217;s not fall for the crap about Australian capital not being involved in this.</p>
<p>Secondly, plantation timber may be the stuff to be pulped BUT the problem is that much of that plantation timber will be grown on ground that comes about by the indiscriminate clearing of primary growth forests, some of which is pulped, little of which is retrieved as useable logs for sawmilling , and much of which is burnt to provide ash seed beds for mono-species plantations. Vast swathes of the north east of the state have had cool temperate forests cleared &amp; now support shining gum plantations for example. With all of its attendant problems of herbicide use, the impact upon water tables&amp; resources, depopulation as rural communities become redundant. Silent forested landscapes.</p>
<p>And all for the right to provide Gunns with access to forest resources for a pulp mill that John Gay reckons has a life of ten years.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet Vane</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/04/turnbull-approves-pulp-mill/#comment-69601</link>
		<dc:creator>Harriet Vane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Liberal candidate in the neighbouring seat of Lyons, Ben Quin, has quit the party because of the decision and may stand as an independent. Story &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22540598-29277,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Liberal candidate in the neighbouring seat of Lyons, Ben Quin, has quit the party because of the decision and may stand as an independent. Story <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22540598-29277,00.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ansteybranchopolous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/04/turnbull-approves-pulp-mill/#comment-69600</link>
		<dc:creator>ansteybranchopolous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garrett&#039;s support for the &quot;process&quot; made me sick. Is he the greatest tosser ever??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garrett&#8217;s support for the &#8220;process&#8221; made me sick. Is he the greatest tosser ever??</p>
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		<title>By: grace pettigrew</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/04/turnbull-approves-pulp-mill/#comment-69599</link>
		<dc:creator>grace pettigrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Malcolm&#039;s arse is grass and Geoffrey Cousins is the lawnmower man...&quot;

hoho, quote of the week Peterc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Malcolm&#8217;s arse is grass and Geoffrey Cousins is the lawnmower man&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>hoho, quote of the week Peterc</p>
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		<title>By: Peterc</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/04/turnbull-approves-pulp-mill/#comment-69598</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turnbull really is playing grubby politics on the pulp mill. The terms of reference were far too narrow for the scientific report - they didn’t include carbon emissions (which will be huge) or the old growth forests that will be fed into it.  First rule in politics - only ask a question you will like the answer to. I think the whole thing was a set play.

Turnbull said he would release the report to everyone - then he only gives it to Gunns.

Where is Turnbull&#039;s report on the submissions he called for and received? So much for transparency and democracy. No public hearings, no real consulation.

And Garrett, the Shadow Minister for Environment who doesn’t cast a shadow (to quote Geoffrey Cousins) just goes along for the ride. He really has sold his soul to the ALP party machine.

It will be interesting to watch the issue play out during the election re Wentworth.  Malcolm&#039;s arse is grass and Geoffrey Cousins is the lawn mower man.  Lennon slapped Turnbull around a bit on Lateline last night in his cunning thuggish manner.

I think we should have a referendum on whether the mill should proceed so that the 90% of Australian’s who oppose it can have a say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turnbull really is playing grubby politics on the pulp mill. The terms of reference were far too narrow for the scientific report &#8211; they didn’t include carbon emissions (which will be huge) or the old growth forests that will be fed into it.  First rule in politics &#8211; only ask a question you will like the answer to. I think the whole thing was a set play.</p>
<p>Turnbull said he would release the report to everyone &#8211; then he only gives it to Gunns.</p>
<p>Where is Turnbull&#8217;s report on the submissions he called for and received? So much for transparency and democracy. No public hearings, no real consulation.</p>
<p>And Garrett, the Shadow Minister for Environment who doesn’t cast a shadow (to quote Geoffrey Cousins) just goes along for the ride. He really has sold his soul to the ALP party machine.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to watch the issue play out during the election re Wentworth.  Malcolm&#8217;s arse is grass and Geoffrey Cousins is the lawn mower man.  Lennon slapped Turnbull around a bit on Lateline last night in his cunning thuggish manner.</p>
<p>I think we should have a referendum on whether the mill should proceed so that the 90% of Australian’s who oppose it can have a say.</p>
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		<title>By: Bingo Bango Boingo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/04/turnbull-approves-pulp-mill/#comment-69597</link>
		<dc:creator>Bingo Bango Boingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that the project is getting bi-partisan support, it&#039;s unlikely that finance won&#039;t be on tap for it.  I would have thought that they&#039;re going to have to mount a bigger-than-the-Franklin-Dam-sized campaign if they&#039;re going to frighten the domestic banks (let alone foreign capital) off something that has basically been endorsed by the relevant State government and the incoming Federal Government.  If Cousins can&#039;t get a result from a directed campaign against a Liberal member whose seat appears to be in play, then what hope has he got against a consortium of organisations whose collective public reputation is already well and truly in the hole?  They won&#039;t care.

BBB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the project is getting bi-partisan support, it&#8217;s unlikely that finance won&#8217;t be on tap for it.  I would have thought that they&#8217;re going to have to mount a bigger-than-the-Franklin-Dam-sized campaign if they&#8217;re going to frighten the domestic banks (let alone foreign capital) off something that has basically been endorsed by the relevant State government and the incoming Federal Government.  If Cousins can&#8217;t get a result from a directed campaign against a Liberal member whose seat appears to be in play, then what hope has he got against a consortium of organisations whose collective public reputation is already well and truly in the hole?  They won&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>BBB</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Turnbull is the victim of some Macchiavellian plot by John Howard. In a matginal seat that hates the idea of a pulp mill, and likely to challenge Howard at the earliest possible moment, because unlike Costello he does have the bottle/ticker  for it. So Howard sets him up as Environment Minister, knowing the pulp mill decision was going to come up before the election.
I wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Turnbull is the victim of some Macchiavellian plot by John Howard. In a matginal seat that hates the idea of a pulp mill, and likely to challenge Howard at the earliest possible moment, because unlike Costello he does have the bottle/ticker  for it. So Howard sets him up as Environment Minister, knowing the pulp mill decision was going to come up before the election.<br />
I wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/05/2051486.htm?section=justin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ANZ position&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/05/2051486.htm?section=justin" rel="nofollow">ANZ position</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Edney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Edney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt any domestic retail bank would want to touch it regardless of whether Cousins influences them, they are already keen to be seen a good arms length from Gunns.

Mac bank or a foreign bank I doubt would care particularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt any domestic retail bank would want to touch it regardless of whether Cousins influences them, they are already keen to be seen a good arms length from Gunns.</p>
<p>Mac bank or a foreign bank I doubt would care particularly.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grace, I saw that.  Cousins&#039; talks a good game, but there are plenty of banks in the world.  Even if he was able to put the frighteners on Australia&#039;s domestic banks (a big if) there&#039;s a lot of foreign banks too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace, I saw that.  Cousins&#8217; talks a good game, but there are plenty of banks in the world.  Even if he was able to put the frighteners on Australia&#8217;s domestic banks (a big if) there&#8217;s a lot of foreign banks too&#8230;</p>
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