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		<title>By: Resin dog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/13/manufacturing-me-tooism/#comment-71401</link>
		<dc:creator>Resin dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SATP - my point being that if the Libs do become a complete shambles nationally what option will we have when we decide that Kev&#039;s on the nose? Competition in politics keeps the bastards on their toes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SATP &#8211; my point being that if the Libs do become a complete shambles nationally what option will we have when we decide that Kev&#8217;s on the nose? Competition in politics keeps the bastards on their toes.</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GoTroppo, I do tend to agree with your argument that Howard hasn&#039;t really got all that much to lose. Maybe you&#039;re right, he isn&#039;t being genuine. Either way I&#039;d still like to see the preamble go ahead.

Generally, on reflection, I think I was being a bit obtuse in my post. I wasn&#039;t really trying to sing the praises of Howard and condemn Rudd, but rather I was trying to point out that by taking the middle so substantially Rudd has forced Howard to play more to the left than what is his norm. I also was trying to say that I would like to see Rudd come out with a few &quot;big picture&quot; policies in the next few weeks.

Crap, see, I could have written that in two sentences.
&lt;strong&gt;*verbose mode off*&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GoTroppo, I do tend to agree with your argument that Howard hasn&#8217;t really got all that much to lose. Maybe you&#8217;re right, he isn&#8217;t being genuine. Either way I&#8217;d still like to see the preamble go ahead.</p>
<p>Generally, on reflection, I think I was being a bit obtuse in my post. I wasn&#8217;t really trying to sing the praises of Howard and condemn Rudd, but rather I was trying to point out that by taking the middle so substantially Rudd has forced Howard to play more to the left than what is his norm. I also was trying to say that I would like to see Rudd come out with a few &#8220;big picture&#8221; policies in the next few weeks.</p>
<p>Crap, see, I could have written that in two sentences.<br />
<strong>*verbose mode off*</strong></p>
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		<title>By: GoTroppo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/13/manufacturing-me-tooism/#comment-71399</link>
		<dc:creator>GoTroppo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 05:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Katz and Joe2 on this one. I don&#039;t trust Howard an inch - he&#039;ll either release a double whammy preamble (by adding something that will completely turn off everyone (e.g. that &quot;We&#039;re a Christian Nation Under God&quot;) or will spend the entire period talking down the whole reconciliation issue (thus ensuring it&#039;ll never happen).

No, unless he&#039;s willing to legislate the preamble BEFORE writing the writs on Wednesday, then I&#039;d trust him as far as I can throw him (but even then, would you trust him to keep it unchanged?).

And I&#039;m sorry Mick:
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What’s more, if Howard does sabotage this he will be damned by many. He has, to an extent, now staked his reputation to this course of action.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Why? What has he got to loose? He&#039;s already announced his departure. Howard has staked his reputation on being completely ANTI reconciliation and has a history of saying one thing and doing the other (e.g. no GST) - anything for political expediency.

No, if we want real progress on reconciliation - I think we know where to turn...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Katz and Joe2 on this one. I don&#8217;t trust Howard an inch &#8211; he&#8217;ll either release a double whammy preamble (by adding something that will completely turn off everyone (e.g. that &#8220;We&#8217;re a Christian Nation Under God&#8221;) or will spend the entire period talking down the whole reconciliation issue (thus ensuring it&#8217;ll never happen).</p>
<p>No, unless he&#8217;s willing to legislate the preamble BEFORE writing the writs on Wednesday, then I&#8217;d trust him as far as I can throw him (but even then, would you trust him to keep it unchanged?).</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sorry Mick:</p>
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What’s more, if Howard does sabotage this he will be damned by many. He has, to an extent, now staked his reputation to this course of action.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why? What has he got to loose? He&#8217;s already announced his departure. Howard has staked his reputation on being completely ANTI reconciliation and has a history of saying one thing and doing the other (e.g. no GST) &#8211; anything for political expediency.</p>
<p>No, if we want real progress on reconciliation &#8211; I think we know where to turn&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Rodios</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/13/manufacturing-me-tooism/#comment-71398</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Rodios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Rudd may surprise a lot of people.

He has to play the game he&#039;s playing now to win, but once he has won it will be a different story, and a story that I believe will be good for Australia.

His past Public Service form shows that he&#039;s a good manager and diplomatic negotiator, and this will be a big step towards tidying up Health, Communications and Industrial Relations, etc.

He&#039;s shown, just by taking the stance he has, that he&#039;s intelligent, so he&#039;ll know he has to work on fairer Tax, climate change and the aged if he wants to stay in power.

And remembering that it was Labour that brought in such great reforms as Medicare, floating the dollar, compulsory Superannuation, etc, we have to add to the above that it would not be a Labour Government if there was not some major reform in the wind.

Rudd is to be commended for not being wedged or sidetracked, his first job is to get rid of Howard, and he&#039;s well on track with that chore.

Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Rudd may surprise a lot of people.</p>
<p>He has to play the game he&#8217;s playing now to win, but once he has won it will be a different story, and a story that I believe will be good for Australia.</p>
<p>His past Public Service form shows that he&#8217;s a good manager and diplomatic negotiator, and this will be a big step towards tidying up Health, Communications and Industrial Relations, etc.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s shown, just by taking the stance he has, that he&#8217;s intelligent, so he&#8217;ll know he has to work on fairer Tax, climate change and the aged if he wants to stay in power.</p>
<p>And remembering that it was Labour that brought in such great reforms as Medicare, floating the dollar, compulsory Superannuation, etc, we have to add to the above that it would not be a Labour Government if there was not some major reform in the wind.</p>
<p>Rudd is to be commended for not being wedged or sidetracked, his first job is to get rid of Howard, and he&#8217;s well on track with that chore.</p>
<p>Jack</p>
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		<title>By: steve at the pub</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve at the pub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Resin Dog:  Liberal party self-destruction notwithstanding, to remain in power for a generation, the federal ALP is going to have to do one helluva lot better at running the country than the state ALP govts are doing of running each state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Resin Dog:  Liberal party self-destruction notwithstanding, to remain in power for a generation, the federal ALP is going to have to do one helluva lot better at running the country than the state ALP govts are doing of running each state.</p>
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		<title>By: Resin dog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/13/manufacturing-me-tooism/#comment-71396</link>
		<dc:creator>Resin dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, I concur. Should Howard lose the election the Libs will very publicly destroy themselves and be out of power for a generation. Howard&#039;s concession speech will be compulsory viewing, but after that I don&#039;t think that much will change - especially if Labor don&#039;t get control of the Senate.

I recall all those years ago when Howard was asked about his vision for Australia (the now famous &#039;relaxed and comfortable&#039; quote) -  he seemed genuinely surprised by the question. The game was obviously to win the election and what would happen after that had not been given a lot of thought. KRudd seems to be &#039;Me Too&#039;-ing in that department as well.

Call me a cynic, but the sky will still be blue if/when Labor win the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, I concur. Should Howard lose the election the Libs will very publicly destroy themselves and be out of power for a generation. Howard&#8217;s concession speech will be compulsory viewing, but after that I don&#8217;t think that much will change &#8211; especially if Labor don&#8217;t get control of the Senate.</p>
<p>I recall all those years ago when Howard was asked about his vision for Australia (the now famous &#8216;relaxed and comfortable&#8217; quote) &#8211;  he seemed genuinely surprised by the question. The game was obviously to win the election and what would happen after that had not been given a lot of thought. KRudd seems to be &#8216;Me Too&#8217;-ing in that department as well.</p>
<p>Call me a cynic, but the sky will still be blue if/when Labor win the election.</p>
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		<title>By: jinmaro</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/13/manufacturing-me-tooism/#comment-71395</link>
		<dc:creator>jinmaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken Lovell, ah yes, not quite like this, eh?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,
But to be young was very heaven!--Oh! times,
In which the meagre, stale, forbidding ways
Of custom, law, and statute, took at once
The attraction of a country in romance!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

William Wordsworth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken Lovell, ah yes, not quite like this, eh?</p>
<blockquote><p>Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,<br />
But to be young was very heaven!&#8211;Oh! times,<br />
In which the meagre, stale, forbidding ways<br />
Of custom, law, and statute, took at once<br />
The attraction of a country in romance!</p></blockquote>
<p>William Wordsworth</p>
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		<title>By: Zarquon</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/13/manufacturing-me-tooism/#comment-71394</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarquon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Rudd will have to to to change things is to point out that there&#039;s a crisis (or manufacture one), the blame Howard for the damage and Bob&#039;s your uncle&#039;s same-sex partner. It&#039;s a trick that works for the first term and part of the second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All Rudd will have to to to change things is to point out that there&#8217;s a crisis (or manufacture one), the blame Howard for the damage and Bob&#8217;s your uncle&#8217;s same-sex partner. It&#8217;s a trick that works for the first term and part of the second.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reading of Rudd? He&#039;s playing a game for the long-term. He&#039;s not terribly interested in policy - if the majority people are comfortable with Howard Government policies he won&#039;t be in a hurry to change them. He&#039;s interested in getting into power and staying there as an end in itself, much like the incumbent.

People haven&#039;t given sufficient attention to the implications of a Liberal defeat in this election. They will not be in government anywhere. At federal level a bunch of exhausted old hacks will squabble over the paltry perks of opposition while at state level they are uniformly a joke. Not being in government anywhere they&#039;ll have no platform to voice an alternative position on anything. No control of question time, no dominance of parliamentary committees, nobody to come out of COAG meetings and criticise the outcomes - they will be the invisible party, constantly telephoning media outlets begging for the chance to do a two minute interview on a story. Any story.

Rudd understands this (so do a few of the Libs, thus their anything-goes panic and crazy talk like Downer switching to state parliament). They can see Labor dominating politics in Australia for a generation, with Rudd as the smiling chief executive. All he has to do for it to happen is win one election. He&#039;s not about to do anything that upsets anybody.

Once in power of course he&#039;ll pretty much continue with the policies of the last 11 years. After all it was only Howard trying to get reformist that rocked the Coalition boat and Rudd&#039;s too smart to make the same mistake.

We can hopefully look forward with gloomy satisfaction to the spectacle of Howard&#039;s mob and the man himself being humiliated for their years of slimy deception and petty vindictiveness ... but that&#039;s it. That&#039;s the sum total of the joy a change of government will bring for anyone who thinks our nation should make some fundamental changes in direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reading of Rudd? He&#8217;s playing a game for the long-term. He&#8217;s not terribly interested in policy &#8211; if the majority people are comfortable with Howard Government policies he won&#8217;t be in a hurry to change them. He&#8217;s interested in getting into power and staying there as an end in itself, much like the incumbent.</p>
<p>People haven&#8217;t given sufficient attention to the implications of a Liberal defeat in this election. They will not be in government anywhere. At federal level a bunch of exhausted old hacks will squabble over the paltry perks of opposition while at state level they are uniformly a joke. Not being in government anywhere they&#8217;ll have no platform to voice an alternative position on anything. No control of question time, no dominance of parliamentary committees, nobody to come out of COAG meetings and criticise the outcomes &#8211; they will be the invisible party, constantly telephoning media outlets begging for the chance to do a two minute interview on a story. Any story.</p>
<p>Rudd understands this (so do a few of the Libs, thus their anything-goes panic and crazy talk like Downer switching to state parliament). They can see Labor dominating politics in Australia for a generation, with Rudd as the smiling chief executive. All he has to do for it to happen is win one election. He&#8217;s not about to do anything that upsets anybody.</p>
<p>Once in power of course he&#8217;ll pretty much continue with the policies of the last 11 years. After all it was only Howard trying to get reformist that rocked the Coalition boat and Rudd&#8217;s too smart to make the same mistake.</p>
<p>We can hopefully look forward with gloomy satisfaction to the spectacle of Howard&#8217;s mob and the man himself being humiliated for their years of slimy deception and petty vindictiveness &#8230; but that&#8217;s it. That&#8217;s the sum total of the joy a change of government will bring for anyone who thinks our nation should make some fundamental changes in direction.</p>
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		<title>By: born and raised in bennelong</title>
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		<dc:creator>born and raised in bennelong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>myriad - I think you are basically correct in your reading of the current situation with Rudd.

Lynda Hopgood -&quot;I hope that once he is Prime Minister we will see a Kevin Rudd who is not afraid to strongly articulate ALP core beliefs and to take on a potentially hostile Senate in order to get legislation.&quot;

Rudd is already strongly articulating his core beliefs about what the ALP should stand for.
How or rather if  he maintains control after the election for example his overriding of caucus decisions about ministerial appointments will give us a good pointer as to whether core values re-emerge or are subserviant to the
personal dictates  a new labor government/leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>myriad &#8211; I think you are basically correct in your reading of the current situation with Rudd.</p>
<p>Lynda Hopgood -&#8221;I hope that once he is Prime Minister we will see a Kevin Rudd who is not afraid to strongly articulate ALP core beliefs and to take on a potentially hostile Senate in order to get legislation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rudd is already strongly articulating his core beliefs about what the ALP should stand for.<br />
How or rather if  he maintains control after the election for example his overriding of caucus decisions about ministerial appointments will give us a good pointer as to whether core values re-emerge or are subserviant to the<br />
personal dictates  a new labor government/leader.</p>
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