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18 responses to “Lessons from the headmistress”

  1. Helen

    I doubt such trivialities will get much airplay in the MSM. It is part of our mission at LP to highlight policy areas likely to be neglected. You’ve been warned!

    And I’d expect nothing less. Go the Bahnisch clan and all who sail with them!

    Speaking of policy areas likely to be neglected, there is an absolute bottler of an article in the AGE today about Australia’s failure on the solar power front, by Urs Walterlin. It’s a wonderful article. Stand by for the chorus of “But, but, Solar power will never work. Because, because, well, it won’t.”

  2. Paul Burns

    As an historian I can think of one way to teach Australian (or any other history).
    Teach students how to think for themselves.
    Teach students how to ask questions.
    I know this approach is exceedingly dangerous as students might ask inappropriate questions and not think the way Bishop and her master want them to think. But intellectual danger can be fun, so long as its based on the evidence. Well, tough!

  3. Robert Merkel

    Helen, if Germany’s solar power program is so bloody great, why are they planning to build 26 new coal-fired power stations between now and 2020?

    One might draw the conclusion if it does work, it’s not working nearly well enough.

  4. tigtog

    by googling I eventually got through to their policy page which you’ll observe has a warning on the sidebar that Labor has no policies.

    I’m noticing that this is a continuing trope from the Libs, and all their talking heads are on message. Show us your policies, nyah nyah nyah. Haven’t got any, nyah nyah nyah.

    As your examination showed, Labor has plenty of policies. It’s about time they demonstrated that they’ve got a bite in them to give the Libs a scare.

  5. Brian

    Thanks, Helen.

    I don’t want to derail my own thread, but my impression is that the coal power companies are out of control in Germany and Merkel is hoping to get a mandate in her own right so that she can go nuclear.

    tigtog, that Australia: strong, prosperous and secure document was all I could find on policy for the Libs. The boot, if anything, is on the other foot.

  6. Robert Merkel

    Sorry Brian.

    Back on topic, the tutorial voucher scheme was discussed here a while ago, if anybody is interested in a more detailed look at their failings.

    The Liberals “no policy meme” is utterly ridiculous when, as noted, their only publicly-available policy document is a 20-page list of talking points.

  7. Gummo Trotsky

    The ideological agenda for curriculum is obvious when you check out the “National Unity Agenda” section of the document. But none dare call it “social engineering”.

  8. Brian

    Exactly, Gummo. Some might call it heavy duty social engineering and not be far from the mark.

  9. Andrew E

    Brian: what of the Bonnor and Caro thesis that says that education resources are being tied up in capital rather than operational spending?

    Helen: just because solar power is an idea with potential doesn’t mean the Walterlin article was worth its own weight in piss.

    In 2004 CSG Solar purchased the rights. Aussie solar cells are now manufactured where staff eat bockwurst during their lunch breaks, not meat pies.

    What a patronising load of wank that is. Patronising to German workers, loading on the xenophobia, and having made the case that work in Germany was hard to come by he scuppered it.

    And why Horsham or Goulburn, anyway? Because they’re more loaded down with Aussie myth than, say, Silverwater or Laverton (i.e. places where manufacturing actually takes place in this country)?

    Helen, if Germany’s solar power program is so bloody great, why are they planning to build 26 new coal-fired power stations between now and 2020?

    Robert, if one country is bloody well doing better than most, why bag them for not going as far as you’d like? Looks like the Germans are hedging their bets, hoping solar kicks in enough to make the coal stations redundant.

  10. suz

    Brian, thanks for digging into this. It is indeed scary to contemplate what the Liberals plan to do to education if they win the election. Talk about the Nanny state! I hope LP can run more on this issue as the campaign progresses.

  11. zebbidies spring

    The headmistress knows best, irrespective of what you might think.

    The principle is the principal.

  12. pablo

    So the AFR ranks its own election issues out of ten and we mug punters submit to the choice of ‘they’ who must be obeyed. I don’t know what criteria they used to do their ranking but it hardly surprises that the AFR would put economic management, industrial relations and tax policy at the head of their list. Nor that education would be all about vocational and skill shortages – labour fodder to drive the economic engine.
    I think if you got a random sample of sufficient size in a large room and got their ranking it would be a little different. No surprises that general education policy would be up there with health and the environment (ie global warming). Jobs policy, interest rates and taxes would be second tier.
    LP is absolutely right to counter the big end of town on things that really matter.

  13. Chris (a different one)

    Also mandated will be teaching a national curriculum in core subjects in Years 10, 11 and 12, including an external assessment such as public exams in Year 12. External examinations will be considered a return to the dark ages in Queensland which has had school-based assessment for over 30 years.

    Is there any statistical information that shows that school based assessment is better without any external examinations? Eg lower rates of youth suicide for those in year 12 in QLD, better university outcomes etc?

  14. wpd

    Brian, thanks for your efforts. Tis an excellent effort.

    â??greater autonomy over staffing decisions and teacher employment arrangementsâ?? for individual schools

    The Principal’s power to hire and fire wins the Principals’ votes but loses all the staff votes, including teacher-aides, cleaners, etc. It might be ideologically attractive but it is dumb politics.

    As I understand it, the power to hire and fire is the norm in some states, Victoria at least, but there is no evidence that student achievement is in any way superior.

    There are so many variables with respect to student achievement that suggesting the pressing of one lever will have a dramatic effect is nonsense. Yet, local control has become the silver bullet.

    As for:

    $77 to boost the amount of practical school experience student teachers get as part of their training.

    This is a drop in the bucket. Insulting really.

  15. Brian

    wpd, interesting and informed as usual.

    One of the best schools I had anything to do with was Buranda Primary, a smallish city school where the Principal specifically knocked back the option of local autonomy. It meant she had to accept whoever the Department sent along, but she spent less time on administrivia and more on educational matters.

    Anyway that is what she said and she had excellent community input and involvement.

    Figures like $77 million sound a lot until you split them up into states and territories and spread over four years. Then they become miniscule.

    Chris (a different one), I studiously avoided educational measurement when I was studying education, so it’s not my field. I’m fairly sure that the Queensland school-based assessment system would have been reasearched to death over the years. If you google using terms like Radford, who designed the scheme, ROSBA (Review of School Based Assessment), one of the early reviews, you’ll no doubt turn up some stuff. I remember Kerry Fairbairn from our Research Branch being involved in a study.

    In 1990-91 Prof Nancy Viviani did a Review of Tertiary Entrance in Queensland for the Goss government. I’ve just turned up this paper (pdf) which was done for her review.

    As to the statistics you seek, I’m not sure how you would quarantine those stats from other factors, as you don’t have parallel cases to research. I understand that early studies did find less student stress in schools, but there always would be stress. I think you’d find that teachers are now so used to the prevailing system that they’d be quite put upon if they had to change because of a political directive as opposed to an educational rationale.

    The assessment system certainly requires masses of interschool teacher consultation and comparison of standards of student work, which can’t be a bad thing.

  16. Brian

    Andrew E, I assume you mean Chris Bonnor and Jane Caro’s The Stupid Country: How Australia is dismantling public education . I have heard them on radio a few times and would like to read the book, but haven’t landed it yet. I think Suz might be reading it. We might manage a post on it before the campaign is over, but can’t promise anything.

    Suz, the whole nasty mix would have slipped under the radar for me apart from a few articles by Justine Ferrari in the Oz. It just got lost in all the detail of the Budget and it probably will in the election campaign also.

    Those involved in education who would have known were probably hoping that the Government would be voted out and they wouldn’t have to worry. Well they should worry. Education policy alone is sufficient reason for dispatching this lot to the dustbin of history.

    Robert, no probs about Germany etc. I’m sure it’ll get another run. Thanks for the link to the tutorial voucher scheme thread. I didn’t have time to look for it last night.

  17. wpd

    One of the best schools I had anything to do with was Buranda Primary, a smallish city school where the Principal specifically knocked back the option of local autonomy.

    I can only agree. In fact a Minister of Education was so impressed with Buranda that he enrolled his child and he lived 40 odd kilometres away at Redcliffe.

    As for Prof Nancy Viviani, she was exceptional, recommended to Minister Braddy by Glyn Davis.

    Nevertheless, her recommendations were really an endorsement of existing arrangements albeit with a political face lift. She was seduced (intellectually) by John Pitman, the then Director of the BSSS.

  18. Brian

    In fact a Minister of Education was so impressed with Buranda that he enrolled his child and he lived 40 odd kilometres away at Redcliffe.

    That would have been Dean Wells. I didn’t know him much but he seemed to gentle and genuine to be a politician.

    I once met a man who was acting as forewman in an industrial cladding company who spoke highly of Wells. They used to sit together in Philosphy class when they were at Uni!

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