Comments on: AHA starting to lose the battle against small bars http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/ Life, Culture and Politics from BrisVegas Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:09:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Youie http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64029 Youie Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:54:12 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64029 You only pay $6 a bottle for Heineken in a bottle in bars over east!? FMD... More like $8 in the West. You only pay $6 a bottle for Heineken in a bottle in bars over east!? FMD… More like $8 in the West.

]]> By: Liam http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64028 Liam Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:13:54 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64028 I don't know about the WorkChoices comparison SATP, but certainly the Small Bars bill will advantage developers with large amounts of capital over small operators. It'd be less a loss for the AHA than a massive victory for Mirvac and Westfield. Undercapitalised operators in a market like Sydney are likely to lose out not to larger bars but to retailers with fewer costs: convenience stores, mobile phone shops and fast food outlets. I would be somewhat sceptical about the benefits for the "hubber", unless you like the ambience of Burwood shopping centre at kicking out time. <blockquote>There can be no justification for refusing to allow small bars to operate in a civilised society.</blockquote> Hurrah for civilisation! All you need is deregulation, a footpath with a handrail, and Heineken at $6 a bottle. I don’t know about the WorkChoices comparison SATP, but certainly the Small Bars bill will advantage developers with large amounts of capital over small operators. It’d be less a loss for the AHA than a massive victory for Mirvac and Westfield. Undercapitalised operators in a market like Sydney are likely to lose out not to larger bars but to retailers with fewer costs: convenience stores, mobile phone shops and fast food outlets.
I would be somewhat sceptical about the benefits for the “hubber”, unless you like the ambience of Burwood shopping centre at kicking out time.

There can be no justification for refusing to allow small bars to operate in a civilised society.

Hurrah for civilisation! All you need is deregulation, a footpath with a handrail, and Heineken at $6 a bottle.

]]> By: steve at the pub http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64027 steve at the pub Thu, 01 Nov 2007 02:00:57 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64027 Perhaps you are right FDB, the AHA is more like a "no ticket, no start" affair, anf the "small bars" are more like a non-unionised workforce. Perhaps you are right FDB, the AHA is more like a “no ticket, no start” affair, anf the “small bars” are more like a non-unionised workforce.

]]> By: FDB http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64026 FDB Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:51:26 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64026 That is a pretty impressive bit of argument there SATP. Breathtaking audacity. "All you people wanting more oranges better stop complaining about all the apples". Brilliant! That is a pretty impressive bit of argument there SATP. Breathtaking audacity.

“All you people wanting more oranges better stop complaining about all the apples”.

Brilliant!

]]> By: steve at the pub http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64025 steve at the pub Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:17:28 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64025 Small bars, reads sort of like workchoices for pubs. The proposal is that anyone can open up a small bar, & provide a service & ambience which is not provided by the protected & mollycoddled closed shop? Just so long as none of the commenters arguing in favour of this do not then (or have not in the past) hypocritcally banged on about workchoices being bad. Small bars, reads sort of like workchoices for pubs.

The proposal is that anyone can open up a small bar, & provide a service & ambience which is not provided by the protected & mollycoddled closed shop?

Just so long as none of the commenters arguing in favour of this do not then (or have not in the past) hypocritcally banged on about workchoices being bad.

]]> By: Yobbo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64024 Yobbo Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:26:07 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64024 FDP: That restriction was lifted at the end of last year. Metropolitan liquor stores are now permitted to open on Sundays. FDP: That restriction was lifted at the end of last year. Metropolitan liquor stores are now permitted to open on Sundays.

]]> By: Yobbo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64023 Yobbo Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:22:46 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64023 Bismarck, that is still better than the WA policy, which effectively states "The only way to get a liquor license is to purchase one from an existing business and transfer the ownership". Like a Taxi Plate. Bismarck, that is still better than the WA policy, which effectively states “The only way to get a liquor license is to purchase one from an existing business and transfer the ownership”. Like a Taxi Plate.

]]> By: Bismarck http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64022 Bismarck Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:06:40 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64022 If you want a liquor licence of any sort in Queensland, be prepared to jump through some pretty amazing hoops. The nanny-statism is exemplified if you want to sell any alcohol at all in localities with low socioeconomic indicators by these <a href="http://www.liquor.qld.gov.au/_Documents/Guides/Act+guideline+38.pdf" rel="nofollow">guidelines</a> (pdf file). The following scores apply if these indicia exceed the state average by 5 or more percentage points: Persons aged 15 or more with no qualifications - 2 Aborginal or Torres Strait Islander people - 4 Recent migrants from non-English speaking countries - 0.5 Occupied private dwellings with 2 or more families - 0.5 Households renting - 0.5 One parent families with dependent children - 2 Males (in labour force) unemployed - 3 Females (in labour force) unemployed - 3 Employed males classified as labourers and related workers - 1 Employed females classified as labourers and related workers - 1 A score of 8 classifies your application as high risk. A licence will not be granted unless the applicant establishes "compelling evidence of mitigation measures which demonstrably address these high risk factors", whatever that means and however that might be achieved. If you want a liquor licence of any sort in Queensland, be prepared to jump through some pretty amazing hoops. The nanny-statism is exemplified if you want to sell any alcohol at all in localities with low socioeconomic indicators by these guidelines (pdf file).

The following scores apply if these indicia exceed the state average by 5 or more percentage points:

Persons aged 15 or more with no qualifications – 2
Aborginal or Torres Strait Islander people – 4
Recent migrants from non-English speaking countries – 0.5
Occupied private dwellings with 2 or more families – 0.5
Households renting – 0.5
One parent families with dependent children – 2
Males (in labour force) unemployed – 3
Females (in labour force) unemployed – 3
Employed males classified as labourers and related workers – 1
Employed females classified as labourers and related workers – 1

A score of 8 classifies your application as high risk. A licence will not be granted unless the applicant establishes “compelling evidence of mitigation measures which demonstrably address these high risk factors”, whatever that means and however that might be achieved.

]]> By: Klaus K http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64021 Klaus K Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:36:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64021 Adrian, you mentioned Rockdale as a possibility. As a St. George resident, the idea is very appealing indeed. It would be great to have a nice quiet place to have a drink and a chat with some of my local friends without having to drag everybody into the inner west for a big night out, or trying to make the best of one of the local pubs which never feel particularly welcoming. I've been contemplating the possibilities since the changes were first mentioned. I wonder if (and hope that) somewhere like Rockdale or Kogarah could sustain something of that nature. Is there anybody else in comparable parts of Sydney that has thoughts on the matter? Adrian, you mentioned Rockdale as a possibility. As a St. George resident, the idea is very appealing indeed. It would be great to have a nice quiet place to have a drink and a chat with some of my local friends without having to drag everybody into the inner west for a big night out, or trying to make the best of one of the local pubs which never feel particularly welcoming. I’ve been contemplating the possibilities since the changes were first mentioned. I wonder if (and hope that) somewhere like Rockdale or Kogarah could sustain something of that nature. Is there anybody else in comparable parts of Sydney that has thoughts on the matter?

]]> By: Donna http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64020 Donna Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:06:44 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/10/30/aha-starting-the-lose-the-battle-against-small-bars/#comment-64020 Labor/labour, schmazor/schmazour - Adrian's right - too much influence by the big end of town makes for a very smelly government. There can be no justification for refusing to allow small bars to operate in a civilised society. It's been happening for millennia and has been the stuff of political machinations for just about as long. Labor/labour, schmazor/schmazour – Adrian’s right – too much influence by the big end of town makes for a very smelly government. There can be no justification for refusing to allow small bars to operate in a civilised society. It’s been happening for millennia and has been the stuff of political machinations for just about as long.

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