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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/11/01/mccarthyist-or-silly-little-man/#comment-312944</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just noting that I&#039;ve deleted a stack of comments from this thread and no further comments imputing motives or beliefs to other commenters will be tolerated.</description>
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		<title>By: Andyc</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/11/01/mccarthyist-or-silly-little-man/#comment-312943</link>
		<dc:creator>Andyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;nasking&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;the dual citizen Mr. Murdoch&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Didn&#039;t he become a yank at a time when they insisted on abjuration of previous allegiances, and we insisted on people giving away their Ozziness if they acquired anything else?

Hence, Rupert &quot;$20 a barrel&quot; Murdoch is actually 100% foreign now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>nasking</b> <i>&#8220;the dual citizen Mr. Murdoch&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t he become a yank at a time when they insisted on abjuration of previous allegiances, and we insisted on people giving away their Ozziness if they acquired anything else?</p>
<p>Hence, Rupert &#8220;$20 a barrel&#8221; Murdoch is actually 100% foreign now.</p>
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		<title>By: nasking</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/11/01/mccarthyist-or-silly-little-man/#comment-312942</link>
		<dc:creator>nasking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, once again i&#039;m seeing one of the Howeirdians taking us down the Fox News road. 

This is something you would expect from an O&#039;Reilly or a Hannitty...bide my words people, Sky News will transform soon into something similar...or there will be an offshoot. I&#039;m positive the dual citizen Mr. Murdoch &amp; his Enablers have plans for this Country, we&#039;re partially the way there. 

A badly divided, angry, argumentaive, hyped, fearful Nation makes for great Corporate TV...heaps of profits for moguls &amp; advertisers, a boon for lawyers...&amp; ruination of personal lives &amp;  reputations to capture LIVE...&amp; if they pull this sh*t off, they&#039;ll throw any kind of social &amp; community harmony &amp; future political co-operation out the backdoor. 

The wonder years...sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, once again i&#8217;m seeing one of the Howeirdians taking us down the Fox News road. </p>
<p>This is something you would expect from an O&#8217;Reilly or a Hannitty&#8230;bide my words people, Sky News will transform soon into something similar&#8230;or there will be an offshoot. I&#8217;m positive the dual citizen Mr. Murdoch &amp; his Enablers have plans for this Country, we&#8217;re partially the way there. </p>
<p>A badly divided, angry, argumentaive, hyped, fearful Nation makes for great Corporate TV&#8230;heaps of profits for moguls &amp; advertisers, a boon for lawyers&#8230;&amp; ruination of personal lives &amp;  reputations to capture LIVE&#8230;&amp; if they pull this sh*t off, they&#8217;ll throw any kind of social &amp; community harmony &amp; future political co-operation out the backdoor. </p>
<p>The wonder years&#8230;sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: GregM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;GregM
were you thinking of that UK political academic, strong supporter of far left Asian communist parties, who went on a fact-finding tour in Kampuchea, met Pol Pot for discussions, and was shot dead in Phnomh Penh?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I was thinking of Ben Kiernan who now holds a professorship at Yale.

Pablo may have confused him with the Pol Pot apologist Malcolm Caldwell,  who was murdered in Phnom Penh on the eve of the Vietnamese invasion. I must say that having read that foul creature&#039;s writings, especially his simpering pandering to the Khmer Rouge, when I read an account of his death at their hands I thought to myself that among the million or more murders they perpetrated this was one that no decent person should be concerned about in the slightest. At least he got off more lightly than those condemned to Toul Sleng. More&#039;s the pity.

Since this is a thread about matters of ancient history and history wars here is an article by Robert Manne on Caldwell&#039;s death and, incidentally Keith Windshuttle&#039;s Pol Potist sympathies- with a Windshuttle rebuttal.

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:QvXUzqqxoJQJ:www.sydneyline.com/Manne%2520Windschuttle%2520Quadrant%25206%252006.pdf+khmer+rouge+murder+british+academic&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=au

Manne gives him a thorough booting. Enjoy.
Mann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>GregM<br />
were you thinking of that UK political academic, strong supporter of far left Asian communist parties, who went on a fact-finding tour in Kampuchea, met Pol Pot for discussions, and was shot dead in Phnomh Penh?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I was thinking of Ben Kiernan who now holds a professorship at Yale.</p>
<p>Pablo may have confused him with the Pol Pot apologist Malcolm Caldwell,  who was murdered in Phnom Penh on the eve of the Vietnamese invasion. I must say that having read that foul creature&#8217;s writings, especially his simpering pandering to the Khmer Rouge, when I read an account of his death at their hands I thought to myself that among the million or more murders they perpetrated this was one that no decent person should be concerned about in the slightest. At least he got off more lightly than those condemned to Toul Sleng. More&#8217;s the pity.</p>
<p>Since this is a thread about matters of ancient history and history wars here is an article by Robert Manne on Caldwell&#8217;s death and, incidentally Keith Windshuttle&#8217;s Pol Potist sympathies- with a Windshuttle rebuttal.</p>
<p><a href="http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:QvXUzqqxoJQJ:www.sydneyline.com/Manne%2520Windschuttle%2520Quadrant%25206%252006.pdf+khmer+rouge+murder+british+academic&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=1&#038;gl=au" rel="nofollow">http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:QvXUzqqxoJQJ:www.sydneyline.com/Manne%2520Windschuttle%2520Quadrant%25206%252006.pdf+khmer+rouge+murder+british+academic&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=1&#038;gl=au</a></p>
<p>Manne gives him a thorough booting. Enjoy.<br />
Mann</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klaus K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The apparent instability of irrelevance/danger is all about the way in which stereotype operates. Constructing an effective stereotyped account of 60s radicalism means lumping together a bundle of contradictory judgements on the period. It&#039;s an anxious and unstable project which is well served by the &#039;can&#039;t see the forest for the trees&#039; personal artifact collecting that Henderson is so adept at. 

Manne is playing along, to an extent, by keeping to the proposed terrain of personal history. He should have gone straight to the question of sedition, which Katz correctly identifies as the underlying issue here, and tackled it head on. It may be too much to expect, but an interpretive leap like that could turn an exchange like this into a genuine debate, or force the Hendersons of the world to retreat into explicit judgement instead of sowing these stereotypes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The apparent instability of irrelevance/danger is all about the way in which stereotype operates. Constructing an effective stereotyped account of 60s radicalism means lumping together a bundle of contradictory judgements on the period. It&#8217;s an anxious and unstable project which is well served by the &#8216;can&#8217;t see the forest for the trees&#8217; personal artifact collecting that Henderson is so adept at. </p>
<p>Manne is playing along, to an extent, by keeping to the proposed terrain of personal history. He should have gone straight to the question of sedition, which Katz correctly identifies as the underlying issue here, and tackled it head on. It may be too much to expect, but an interpretive leap like that could turn an exchange like this into a genuine debate, or force the Hendersons of the world to retreat into explicit judgement instead of sowing these stereotypes.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Mark - to me Manne&#039;s piece sounded whiny; to a right winger it could well have sounded protesteth-too-muchy. Either way, for all his sharpness of intellect he could learn a thing or two about pithiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Mark &#8211; to me Manne&#8217;s piece sounded whiny; to a right winger it could well have sounded protesteth-too-muchy. Either way, for all his sharpness of intellect he could learn a thing or two about pithiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go meta! Just stick one line in there denying Hendo&#039;s claims then analyse what he&#039;s up to with his McCarthyism and why it sucks. By responding defensively and in detail he gets drawn in to playing on the wicket where Hendo is bowling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go meta! Just stick one line in there denying Hendo&#8217;s claims then analyse what he&#8217;s up to with his McCarthyism and why it sucks. By responding defensively and in detail he gets drawn in to playing on the wicket where Hendo is bowling.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Hendo is a bore, a bully and a moral coward.

Does that mean that Manne should simply ignore him when Hendo accuses him of seditious acts?

And if not, what is the best non-boring, non-self-indulgent response?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Hendo is a bore, a bully and a moral coward.</p>
<p>Does that mean that Manne should simply ignore him when Hendo accuses him of seditious acts?</p>
<p>And if not, what is the best non-boring, non-self-indulgent response?</p>
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		<title>By: silkworm</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/11/01/mccarthyist-or-silly-little-man/#comment-312936</link>
		<dc:creator>silkworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Some American conservatives insist that the history of dissent in the 1960s should not be taught. It is interesting that there are two contradictory positions on this question. The first is that it is trivial. The second is that is too dangerous.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Just like Uncle Joe&#039;s position on the unions. They are both irrelevant and dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Some American conservatives insist that the history of dissent in the 1960s should not be taught. It is interesting that there are two contradictory positions on this question. The first is that it is trivial. The second is that is too dangerous.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just like Uncle Joe&#8217;s position on the unions. They are both irrelevant and dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GregM
were you thinking of that UK political academic, strong supporter of far left Asian communist parties, who went on a fact-finding tour in Kampuchea, met Pol Pot for discussions, and was shot dead in Phnomh Penh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GregM<br />
were you thinking of that UK political academic, strong supporter of far left Asian communist parties, who went on a fact-finding tour in Kampuchea, met Pol Pot for discussions, and was shot dead in Phnomh Penh?</p>
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