Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Tell that to the copyright holders.

Please don’t stop, Wise Ol’ Jack, this is the best free stand-up I have heard in a long time.

Victoria, it is worthy of note, became the first state with an official Bill of Rights as this new year began. The ACT has had, of course, one for a while. Not sure if there are any privacy provisions.

This plus the Labor plan to dump Hockeys identity card may save us from slipping into the reports “black list” for a while.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/02/when-youre-out-of-the-blue-and-into-the-black/

This report on state intrusion into and the lack of protection of privacy is interesting stuff.

The Senate is so tightly balanced. Nick Xenophon should be onside - maybe an online gambling ban, though? - but Rudd will still contantly need the family first monster, of his own party’s creation, to get legislation over the line.

A 34 million a year, invasion of privacy policy, might be considered small beer.

Basically all Jack’s comments make sense if you can imagine playing ‘Risk’ with himself…and losing.

But hey no hard feelings Jack? All in jest right? Let me buy you a drink or three at BIO 2008 in San Diego this June. I’m thinking Onyx or the cocktail lounge at the Hotel Del Coronado.

And before you ask, NO, i am not fun to have at parties(which, btw, I hate).

Come clean Jack,all your new found wowserism is just pay back for your failure to get in with all those hippy lefty types from your early teens,who loved a bit of a toke and looked the dogs bollicks.

You just knew in your heart of hearts that fucker with the long dreadlocks and who smelt like a sewer rat was gonna get the beautiful blonde with the child bearing hips,and the beads.Those damn beads, blue ones, green ones ,and the red ones,especially the red ones hey Jack.Old Jack could only look on,and dream of what might have been.Cos Jack ya see, hung around with the dorks,the boys with the short back and sides the shorts and those crispy white starched shirts his mum made him wear.

I am on to you Jack.

What does your opinion of JWH’s achievements have to do with his propensity to lie?

Who died and made you Pope? I have been mucking about with computers for long enough to figure out what is clear and not clear technologically speaking all by myself. So I dont need you to assume the mantle of tech guru.

Shorter Strocchi: You’re right Katz, damn your eyes.

I also suspect you haven’t been to Kings Cross recently since Clover got hold of it.

Savonarola did call it art, he called it filth.

That sentence does not make any more sense than your original point. Somehow I dont feel that Savaraonla is the last word on aesthetics, either then or now. His judgement made pretty much all representational art filth. I dont equate representational art with kiddie porn.

Katz says:

I think I made it clear enough that if you want to stop KP entirely then you must stop the internet entirely. You yourself seem to acknowledge this fact by repesenting the efforts you espouse as being tokenistic. (Bandaids)

Who died and made you Pope? I have been mucking about with computers for long enough to figure out what is clear and not clear technologically speaking all by myself. So I dont need you to assume the mantle of tech guru.

Generally speaking a combination strategicly placed controls, stiff penalties and widely publicized prosecutions can deter quite alot of anti-social behaviour. The anti-piracy laws seem to have been having an effect.

In any case, I want the state to take a stand. If it is tokenistic well that will have to do.

Katz says:

The difference between you and me is that you don’t seem to mind it when the government tells deliberate lies. Wasn’t 11 years of Howard’s lies enough for you?

The difference b/w you and me is that I do not harbour an obsessional hatred of JW Howard. This obviously satisfies some intense psychological craving for moral vindication on the Left. A not very well sublimated form of aggression, as the Freudians used to say.

Nor do I have a delusional image of the past decade. It has been an especially good one for this country, from both professional and political perspectives. Forgive the brag, but my good psephological prediction record gives me a little more confidence in broader politico-cultural judgements.

When he got into office Howard broadly promised to make AUS “richer stronger and prouder”. He delivered on that promise. All the other promises were non-core and as disposable as the Howard-hatred they aroused.

It’s been pointed out repeatedly, Jack, that this measure aims to block all pr0n not just child pr0n. Please acknowledge that. I assume that you’re not stuck in a world characterised by “epistemical solipsism�.

I dont have a problem with sweeping censorship of that kind. In fact as I get older, mellower and wiser I think the more wowserism the better.

Post-modern liberals are horrified by censors, of course. They cleave to a Blank Slate view of human nature, with a strong bias towards perfectibility through access to “information”.

Liberal thinking works for prosaic activities amongst developed peoples. But watch out when multicultural diversity is suddenly confronted with all the temptations of post-modern perversity. It tends to end in “Lord of the Flies” tears. (Remember Atta at the strip-clubs?) That is the lesson of Socio-Bio.

And that includes all of us in our darker moments, since “the Old Adam” - sugar-craving sex-maniac and blood-luster - still lurks in our breast. That at least is the lesson of Evo Psych.

The actual world is pornographic enough as it is, never mind the virtual world. I lived in a Bondi bachelor pad for more than a decade. (Before that St Kilda and Kings Cross. Get the picture?)

After a while one gets sick of the sight of semi-naked women running about all over the place. It became impossible to get any work done or relationships deepened.

The virtual world is about 10,000 times more graphic. The on-line world has too many time wasting distractions - spam, virueses, porn, blogging. It tends to detract from professional productivity and personal affectivity. Thats why I prefer to work away from home.

Now that I am monogamous I would appreciate less distractions, both actual and virtual. It would be better for all concerned - both men, women and kids - if the flow of all porn was staunched.

“It is a blessed relief to gaze in a shop window and see nothing we want.”

Oakshott “On Being Conservative”

This implies that attempts at tech-censoring child pornography is now on a par with making a bonfire out of Renaissance art.

Savonarola did call it art, he called it filth.

This implies that programs such as Net Nanny writ large by the state are the instrumental equivalent of Kim Il Sung’s totalitarian cannibal state.

I think I made it clear enough that if you want to stop KP entirely then you must stop the internet entirely.

You yourself seem to acknowledge this fact by repesenting the efforts you espouse as being tokenistic. (Bandaids)

The difference between you and me is that you don’t seem to mind it when the government tells deliberate lies.

Wasn’t 11 years of Howard’s lies enough for you?

Strocchers channels Savonarola, yet again.

Right. This implies that attempts at tech-censoring child pornography is now on a par with making a bonfire out of Renaissance art. I am sure you dont mean that. But need to pay more attention to logic if you want to improve your ideologic.

The government, more than any other social agency, has a bully pulpit. I dont think it does much harm, and it could do some good, by occasional bouts of hectoring and finger-pointing in a good cause. That includes kladgy tech-fix bandaids.

If kiddy-scripting is the best tech-curb kiddie-porn then that something is better than nothing. Parents want a sign that the state cares for their efforts.

Katz says:

Strocchers calls for a nanny state. He’d need an infinite number of nannies. And when they are finished you wouldn’t have an internet. That is North Korea’s solution to the problem.

This implies that programs such as Net Nanny writ large by the state are the instrumental equivalent of Kim Il Sung’s totalitarian cannibal state. You really need to check your ideological assumptions and see where they are heading.

Post-modern liberalism is a philosophy of ethical nihilism and epistemical solipsism. It leads well-meaning people into intellectual cul-de-sacs from which there is no escape.

See also the Heffernan hypothetical posted earlier.

Well, yes. IANAL, but that sounds like an open-and-shut case of defamation to me, and thus actionable. That’s why I doubt that the tabloids would do it in general. They’d do it if they list bore the name of Mr. Paed O. File (with a “history” and ankle bracelets to match), but they wouldn’t do it for everybody.

And even better Conroy has found a way to give adults choice while at the same time making sure intelligent adults at the very least will have to use the filters.

Can you imagine if you put your name on the opt in list and part of that list was then published in one of the tabloids as “We name and shame those who might be after your child.”

I might want unfiltered net access. Am I willing to risk an angry mob outside my door wanting blood because they think I might be a rock spider? In an age where Pediatricians can be targetted by the stupid the answer is a clear no thanks.

BTW Jack. Your first post annoyed the crap out of me. You should just repeat those key points over and over but I’d also suggest asking what people concerned about this are worried about and add a nudge nudge.

Using the old chestnut “nothing to hide nothing to fear” is also useful in this sort of debate.