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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426982</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Swan keeps on trying to micromanage house loan interest rates by jaw-boning the banks, he&#039;ll end up looking like a dill.

The alternative to commercial loans is no loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Swan keeps on trying to micromanage house loan interest rates by jaw-boning the banks, he&#8217;ll end up looking like a dill.</p>
<p>The alternative to commercial loans is no loans.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426977</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From The Australian today:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23039395-5015025,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From The Australian today:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23039395-5015025,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23039395-5015025,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426614</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Further Update&lt;/b&gt;: More from Gianna at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roadtosurfdom.com/2008/01/11/banks-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Surfdom&lt;/a&gt; and Gary Sauer-Thompson at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2008/01/the-limits-of-p.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Public Opinion&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Further Update</b>: More from Gianna at <a href="http://www.roadtosurfdom.com/2008/01/11/banks-laughing-all-the-way-to-the-bank/" rel="nofollow">Surfdom</a> and Gary Sauer-Thompson at <a href="http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2008/01/the-limits-of-p.php" rel="nofollow">Public Opinion</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426286</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that I am not saying there will not be a recession, but if there is then the sub-prime issue is, if not only a straw, then at most a modestly-sized parcel on the camel&#039;s back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that I am not saying there will not be a recession, but if there is then the sub-prime issue is, if not only a straw, then at most a modestly-sized parcel on the camel&#8217;s back.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426284</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz,
You may be right on a whole of US basis - but houses and land cannot be transported. The housing affected is localised in certain areas, meaning that a year-long holiday is unlikely.
You are right that housing prices have dropped, but this was from really high levels. The bulk of the housing is just returning to values of 2006 or at worst 2005.
If you look at what happened to the markets in the early 1980s and now the difference shows that optimism about the extent of the problem is not localised to my office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz,<br />
You may be right on a whole of US basis &#8211; but houses and land cannot be transported. The housing affected is localised in certain areas, meaning that a year-long holiday is unlikely.<br />
You are right that housing prices have dropped, but this was from really high levels. The bulk of the housing is just returning to values of 2006 or at worst 2005.<br />
If you look at what happened to the markets in the early 1980s and now the difference shows that optimism about the extent of the problem is not localised to my office.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426264</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR,

The subprime crisis was just the detonator for a series of much larger explosions that haven&#039;t happened yet.

The US real estate market has declined further and quicker than at any time since the onset of the Great Depression.

There is now at least a year&#039;s overhang of surplus housing stock. In other words, the entire construction industry can take a year&#039;s holiday.

The day before yesterday in California more than 5,000 houses were auctioned at foreclosure auctions around the state. This was by far the biggest offering of its kind in California&#039;s history. Virtually none of them sold.

US households have indebted themselves on the collateral of their homes to an unprecedented extent. Now they have negative equity in the properties and the banks, hungry for liquidity, are about to come knocking with a margin call.

Credit card debt and car loan delinquencies are rising rapidly.

This will be much worse than the S&amp;L scandal.

However, there are many ways in which you may profit from your optimistic forecast. And there are plenty of pessimists out there for you to profit from. At the moment it&#039;s a seller&#039;s market for optimism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR,</p>
<p>The subprime crisis was just the detonator for a series of much larger explosions that haven&#8217;t happened yet.</p>
<p>The US real estate market has declined further and quicker than at any time since the onset of the Great Depression.</p>
<p>There is now at least a year&#8217;s overhang of surplus housing stock. In other words, the entire construction industry can take a year&#8217;s holiday.</p>
<p>The day before yesterday in California more than 5,000 houses were auctioned at foreclosure auctions around the state. This was by far the biggest offering of its kind in California&#8217;s history. Virtually none of them sold.</p>
<p>US households have indebted themselves on the collateral of their homes to an unprecedented extent. Now they have negative equity in the properties and the banks, hungry for liquidity, are about to come knocking with a margin call.</p>
<p>Credit card debt and car loan delinquencies are rising rapidly.</p>
<p>This will be much worse than the S&amp;L scandal.</p>
<p>However, there are many ways in which you may profit from your optimistic forecast. And there are plenty of pessimists out there for you to profit from. At the moment it&#8217;s a seller&#8217;s market for optimism.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426240</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz,
I think you are greatly over-stating the likelihood of the assets being &quot;severely&quot; written down as a result of the &quot;sub-prime&quot; problems. The total losses in the US sub-prime market (or even the total value of the sub-prime debt) are really small compared to the US economy. Even if all sub-prime loans in the US were completely irrecoverable today total losses would amount to around 1% of US GDP - far less than the S&amp;L mess that took only a few years (and a lot of money) to work through. The real problem here is a temporary, informational, one - people do not know where those losses are going to end up. This is being solved as companies report. Much of these losses are in the hedge funds, so (at least theoretically) these losses will be to investors with over $500,000 to invest - i.e. the rich - who will lose in lending to the poor. From a &quot;social equity&quot; POV this may not be regarded as a bad thing.
The issue of whether this hiccup triggers a US recession (and thus further writedowns) that is largely due to rampant government spending on useless programs and the military, trade restrictions and other stupidity is a different one, and should be separated.
The blame for off-trend growth should always be sheeted home to where it belongs - and that is (IMHO) almost invariably a government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz,<br />
I think you are greatly over-stating the likelihood of the assets being &#8220;severely&#8221; written down as a result of the &#8220;sub-prime&#8221; problems. The total losses in the US sub-prime market (or even the total value of the sub-prime debt) are really small compared to the US economy. Even if all sub-prime loans in the US were completely irrecoverable today total losses would amount to around 1% of US GDP &#8211; far less than the S&amp;L mess that took only a few years (and a lot of money) to work through. The real problem here is a temporary, informational, one &#8211; people do not know where those losses are going to end up. This is being solved as companies report. Much of these losses are in the hedge funds, so (at least theoretically) these losses will be to investors with over $500,000 to invest &#8211; i.e. the rich &#8211; who will lose in lending to the poor. From a &#8220;social equity&#8221; POV this may not be regarded as a bad thing.<br />
The issue of whether this hiccup triggers a US recession (and thus further writedowns) that is largely due to rampant government spending on useless programs and the military, trade restrictions and other stupidity is a different one, and should be separated.<br />
The blame for off-trend growth should always be sheeted home to where it belongs &#8211; and that is (IMHO) almost invariably a government.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris (a different one)</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426232</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris (a different one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just in the Age today we have headlines of doom and gloom while Tim Colebatch states that interests rates may need to raise. In 1992, Australia had 25 unemployed for every job vacancy. Today this ratio is edging down towards 2.5 unemployed for every job offering — increasing pressure on wages and interest rates………

One reason why employers have problems in filling vacant jobs is that Australia invests very little in retraining its unemployed with new skills. Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development figures show Australia is near the bottom of the rich world in spending on training for the unemployed.

So there you go. The previous Liberal government inaction may cause lots of headeches for the Labor government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t those unemployment stats suggest that we&#039;re just short on people to do the work, rather than a shortage of people skilled to do the work? After all there is no qualification in those statistics about having people capable of doing the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just in the Age today we have headlines of doom and gloom while Tim Colebatch states that interests rates may need to raise. In 1992, Australia had 25 unemployed for every job vacancy. Today this ratio is edging down towards 2.5 unemployed for every job offering — increasing pressure on wages and interest rates………</p>
<p>One reason why employers have problems in filling vacant jobs is that Australia invests very little in retraining its unemployed with new skills. Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development figures show Australia is near the bottom of the rich world in spending on training for the unemployed.</p>
<p>So there you go. The previous Liberal government inaction may cause lots of headeches for the Labor government.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t those unemployment stats suggest that we&#8217;re just short on people to do the work, rather than a shortage of people skilled to do the work? After all there is no qualification in those statistics about having people capable of doing the work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426171</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More from Tim Dunlop:

http://blogs.news.com.au/news/blogocracy/index.php/news/comments/banks_and_account_portability#26069</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More from Tim Dunlop:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/news/blogocracy/index.php/news/comments/banks_and_account_portability#26069" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.news.com.au/news/blogocracy/index.php/news/comments/banks_and_account_portability#26069</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426155</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guido, I wouldn&#039;t get too worried about it. I think Australians afford a fair amount of goodwill to new governments, there&#039;s lots of scope for sheeting home blame to the Tories and governments have been able to win in the face of adverse economic circumstances if they&#039;re capable of telling a story about what they&#039;re doing to put things on the right footing cf. Hawke and Keating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guido, I wouldn&#8217;t get too worried about it. I think Australians afford a fair amount of goodwill to new governments, there&#8217;s lots of scope for sheeting home blame to the Tories and governments have been able to win in the face of adverse economic circumstances if they&#8217;re capable of telling a story about what they&#8217;re doing to put things on the right footing cf. Hawke and Keating.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426118</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Aren’t the banks doing the work of the Reserve Bank here?

If they raise the rates themselves, wouldn’t this apply the same monetary policy on the economy as a general rate raise from the Reserve Bank?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, but they are doing it for different reasons.

Commercial banks are attempting to maximise return on investment and they are attempting maximise market share. A moment&#039;s reflection will indicate that these two ambitions, while not contradictory, set opposite priorities. Thus, if a bank vastly increases the interest it charges on old loan and new loans, their market share will walk out the door.

Central banks have priorities of 

1. providing an environment for the orderly transaction of finance
2. handling the financial requirements of government
3. preventing either too much inflation or too much deflation.

Central banks don&#039;t aim to make a profit for themselves. (However, it should be noted that the RBA has in the last several years been a nice little earner for the Treasury by virtue of some quite canny open market operations in foreign currencies.)

Often the priorities of the commercials and the central banks are at odds. 

Commercial banks see opportunities for profits but the Central Bank ups official interest rates, suppressing expansion.

And today&#039;s solvency crisis is another case in point. Central banks have flooded the markets with liquidity in order to facilitate the revivification of capital markets. But the big banks are so suspicious of each other because they suspect that their competitors may actually go belly up that they are reluctant to lend money to each other. So these banks are hoarding Central Bank-created credit against the possibility (I&#039;d say likelihood) that their assets are going to be severely written down in value.

Those write-downs will signify the next big stage in the unravelling of the asset bubble that began in the early 1980s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Aren’t the banks doing the work of the Reserve Bank here?</p>
<p>If they raise the rates themselves, wouldn’t this apply the same monetary policy on the economy as a general rate raise from the Reserve Bank?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, but they are doing it for different reasons.</p>
<p>Commercial banks are attempting to maximise return on investment and they are attempting maximise market share. A moment&#8217;s reflection will indicate that these two ambitions, while not contradictory, set opposite priorities. Thus, if a bank vastly increases the interest it charges on old loan and new loans, their market share will walk out the door.</p>
<p>Central banks have priorities of </p>
<p>1. providing an environment for the orderly transaction of finance<br />
2. handling the financial requirements of government<br />
3. preventing either too much inflation or too much deflation.</p>
<p>Central banks don&#8217;t aim to make a profit for themselves. (However, it should be noted that the RBA has in the last several years been a nice little earner for the Treasury by virtue of some quite canny open market operations in foreign currencies.)</p>
<p>Often the priorities of the commercials and the central banks are at odds. </p>
<p>Commercial banks see opportunities for profits but the Central Bank ups official interest rates, suppressing expansion.</p>
<p>And today&#8217;s solvency crisis is another case in point. Central banks have flooded the markets with liquidity in order to facilitate the revivification of capital markets. But the big banks are so suspicious of each other because they suspect that their competitors may actually go belly up that they are reluctant to lend money to each other. So these banks are hoarding Central Bank-created credit against the possibility (I&#8217;d say likelihood) that their assets are going to be severely written down in value.</p>
<p>Those write-downs will signify the next big stage in the unravelling of the asset bubble that began in the early 1980s.</p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426106</link>
		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an economic ignoramus I would like to ask this question.  Aren&#039;t the banks doing the work of the Reserve Bank here?

If they raise the rates themselves, wouldn&#039;t this apply the same monetary policy on the economy as a general rate raise from the Reserve Bank?

As someone who was looking forward to the end of the Howard government all this doom and gloom does worry me.  It would be a cruel twist of history if the Rudd Labor Government gets blamed for a worse Australian economy basically for events outside its control.  I guess many voters just reacts to their own situation and Howard did govern in a very auspicious world economic situation.  He took the credit (but then which government wouldn&#039;t).

Just in the Age today we have headlines of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/global-gloom-ahead/2008/01/10/1199554776069.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;doom and gloom&lt;/a&gt; while &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/case-builds-for-rates-to-rise-again/2008/01/09/1199554741737.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim Colebatch states that interests rates may need to raise&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;i&gt;In 1992, Australia had 25 unemployed for every job vacancy. Today this ratio is edging down towards 2.5 unemployed for every job offering — increasing pressure on wages and interest rates.........

One reason why employers have problems in filling vacant jobs is that Australia invests very little in retraining its unemployed with new skills. Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development figures show Australia is near the bottom of the rich world in spending on training for the unemployed.&lt;/i&gt;

So there you go.  The previous Liberal government inaction may cause lots of headeches for the Labor government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an economic ignoramus I would like to ask this question.  Aren&#8217;t the banks doing the work of the Reserve Bank here?</p>
<p>If they raise the rates themselves, wouldn&#8217;t this apply the same monetary policy on the economy as a general rate raise from the Reserve Bank?</p>
<p>As someone who was looking forward to the end of the Howard government all this doom and gloom does worry me.  It would be a cruel twist of history if the Rudd Labor Government gets blamed for a worse Australian economy basically for events outside its control.  I guess many voters just reacts to their own situation and Howard did govern in a very auspicious world economic situation.  He took the credit (but then which government wouldn&#8217;t).</p>
<p>Just in the Age today we have headlines of <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/global-gloom-ahead/2008/01/10/1199554776069.html" rel="nofollow">doom and gloom</a> while <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/case-builds-for-rates-to-rise-again/2008/01/09/1199554741737.html" rel="nofollow">Tim Colebatch states that interests rates may need to raise</a>. <i>In 1992, Australia had 25 unemployed for every job vacancy. Today this ratio is edging down towards 2.5 unemployed for every job offering — increasing pressure on wages and interest rates&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>One reason why employers have problems in filling vacant jobs is that Australia invests very little in retraining its unemployed with new skills. Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development figures show Australia is near the bottom of the rich world in spending on training for the unemployed.</i></p>
<p>So there you go.  The previous Liberal government inaction may cause lots of headeches for the Labor government.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/09/fiscal-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-426013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification, Andrew.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
The current rates target, as you are probably aware but others may not be, is implemented through the funds the banks have to have on deposit with the RBA. Effectively, the RBA restricts or opens up access to these funds to try to influence the cash rate. Generally it is pretty effective in managing rates - with this being the first real departure for a very long time.
Problems are that it only really works on the big 4 banks (creating at least the impression of privileged access), is periodic, and the announcements are highly political.
IMHO, short of free banking, a better way would be to issue an inflation outlook on a much more regular basis and then conduct OMO or other operations to buy or sell funds, ensuring that all moves were fully published in advance (if possible). This is not a big change from the current practice but it does allow the rates set to be seen as a consequence, not the intention, of the moves of the RBA. Essentially, they say we believe their is upward pressure, therefore we will be doing x, y and z to try to limit the pressure. The market then sets the rates as a consequence of that.
A bit cleaner, in that it is not only 4 players being affected and the politics are reduced to just the inflation announcement, which can be framed much better than a single, headline grabbing number. The way the Bank of England do the forecasts, for example, is much more honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
The current rates target, as you are probably aware but others may not be, is implemented through the funds the banks have to have on deposit with the RBA. Effectively, the RBA restricts or opens up access to these funds to try to influence the cash rate. Generally it is pretty effective in managing rates &#8211; with this being the first real departure for a very long time.<br />
Problems are that it only really works on the big 4 banks (creating at least the impression of privileged access), is periodic, and the announcements are highly political.<br />
IMHO, short of free banking, a better way would be to issue an inflation outlook on a much more regular basis and then conduct OMO or other operations to buy or sell funds, ensuring that all moves were fully published in advance (if possible). This is not a big change from the current practice but it does allow the rates set to be seen as a consequence, not the intention, of the moves of the RBA. Essentially, they say we believe their is upward pressure, therefore we will be doing x, y and z to try to limit the pressure. The market then sets the rates as a consequence of that.<br />
A bit cleaner, in that it is not only 4 players being affected and the politics are reduced to just the inflation announcement, which can be framed much better than a single, headline grabbing number. The way the Bank of England do the forecasts, for example, is much more honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That is true only while the commentariat regards the headline rate(s) as somehow under the control of the government. The more we see of these non-lockstep moves the less that is likely to be the case.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree, Andrew, but it&#039;s how the public perceives it that&#039;s just as important. Note that the Libs are already blaming the government for what the banks are doing.

I&#039;d be interested in an expansion of your point about stopping targeting rates... how would they then influence an inflation target or would it be something that would be supposed to be indicative for other actors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That is true only while the commentariat regards the headline rate(s) as somehow under the control of the government. The more we see of these non-lockstep moves the less that is likely to be the case.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree, Andrew, but it&#8217;s how the public perceives it that&#8217;s just as important. Note that the Libs are already blaming the government for what the banks are doing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in an expansion of your point about stopping targeting rates&#8230; how would they then influence an inflation target or would it be something that would be supposed to be indicative for other actors?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
That is true only while the commentariat regards the headline rate(s) as somehow under the control of the government. The more we see of these non-lockstep moves the less that is likely to be the case.
IMHO a better solution would be for the RBA to simply stop targeting the rates entirely, just going to an inflation target. Interest rates would then be transparently commercial, allowing a proper amount of competition.
Of course (again IMHO) free banking would be even better, but that is another argument altogether. I would not seek to start that one here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
That is true only while the commentariat regards the headline rate(s) as somehow under the control of the government. The more we see of these non-lockstep moves the less that is likely to be the case.<br />
IMHO a better solution would be for the RBA to simply stop targeting the rates entirely, just going to an inflation target. Interest rates would then be transparently commercial, allowing a proper amount of competition.<br />
Of course (again IMHO) free banking would be even better, but that is another argument altogether. I would not seek to start that one here.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s the futures market and then there&#039;s the options market.

However, it is also possible to be quite conservative and risk averse in the futures market as well, but that takes a little more knowledge than a vanilla call option.

The option strategy is tailor-made to hedge against interest rate risk. It is less risky than mortgage insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s the futures market and then there&#8217;s the options market.</p>
<p>However, it is also possible to be quite conservative and risk averse in the futures market as well, but that takes a little more knowledge than a vanilla call option.</p>
<p>The option strategy is tailor-made to hedge against interest rate risk. It is less risky than mortgage insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;How would they do that accurately anyway - given that tax cuts come from the government and superannuation payments are made by the employer. Wouldn’t we end up with rather strange percentage rates of superannuation contributions which are dependent on your income?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, yes &quot;how?&quot; is a very good question.  Perhaps that&#039;s why governments haven&#039;t done it before.  They do make co-contributions already, based on the employee&#039;s contributions.  They also fiddled with super tax-rates according to income thresholds, so they might well have most of the information they need to administer such a scheme.

I know the super industry was very unhappy about the cost impost of introducing said tax.  I doubt they&#039;d howl about any additional ones if they knew great wads of cash were heading their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p>How would they do that accurately anyway &#8211; given that tax cuts come from the government and superannuation payments are made by the employer. Wouldn’t we end up with rather strange percentage rates of superannuation contributions which are dependent on your income?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yes &#8220;how?&#8221; is a very good question.  Perhaps that&#8217;s why governments haven&#8217;t done it before.  They do make co-contributions already, based on the employee&#8217;s contributions.  They also fiddled with super tax-rates according to income thresholds, so they might well have most of the information they need to administer such a scheme.</p>
<p>I know the super industry was very unhappy about the cost impost of introducing said tax.  I doubt they&#8217;d howl about any additional ones if they knew great wads of cash were heading their way.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a pretty easy way to get most of the tax cuts into superannuation without breaking any election promises.  

How?  Steal an idea from New Zealand called &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.henrythornton.com/article.asp?article_id=4471&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and increase everybody&#039;s default superannuation contribution&lt;/A&gt;.  If people want to keep their superannuation contribution as it is, they have to go to the effort of filling out a form to say so, otherwise it gets increased.  

Most people won&#039;t bother to fill out the form; hence, their superannuation contributions will go up and the money from tax cuts doesn&#039;t go into fuelling consumption.  Everybody&#039;s happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a pretty easy way to get most of the tax cuts into superannuation without breaking any election promises.  </p>
<p>How?  Steal an idea from New Zealand called <a HREF="http://www.henrythornton.com/article.asp?article_id=4471" rel="nofollow">and increase everybody&#8217;s default superannuation contribution</a>.  If people want to keep their superannuation contribution as it is, they have to go to the effort of filling out a form to say so, otherwise it gets increased.  </p>
<p>Most people won&#8217;t bother to fill out the form; hence, their superannuation contributions will go up and the money from tax cuts doesn&#8217;t go into fuelling consumption.  Everybody&#8217;s happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz,
A better instrument for a normal borrower would be an interest rate cap. Playing on the futures market is a game best left to people in very funny coloured jackets with loud obnoxious voices.
Oops - floor trading stopped years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz,<br />
A better instrument for a normal borrower would be an interest rate cap. Playing on the futures market is a game best left to people in very funny coloured jackets with loud obnoxious voices.<br />
Oops &#8211; floor trading stopped years ago.</p>
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