Comments on: Firing up the Trrrrrraade Practices Act … could get interesting http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:10:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433864 Mark Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:27:12 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433864 Kymbos, see the links in David's post. Kymbos, see the links in David’s post.

]]> By: David http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433861 David Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:16:52 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433861 I've penned a few thoughts on Garnaut's discussion paper here: <a href="http://greenomics.blogspot.com/2008/01/moral-hazard-in-emissions-trading.html" rel="nofollow"> Oikos: emissions trading I’ve penned a few thoughts on Garnaut’s discussion paper here:

Oikos: emissions trading

]]> By: kymbos http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433794 kymbos Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:16:41 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433794 Mark, any links to the Garnaut paper? Mark, any links to the Garnaut paper?

]]> By: philiptravers http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433711 philiptravers Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:02:16 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433711 Then there is that large ship down in Melbourne,that is going to have its owners paid $500 million,is this fair competition with Australian dredging companies!?Whom always seem to beat me in getting a nod from the State ALP N.S.W. But in this case,the money flows out of Australia,and I would rather fight Australians on these issues.Then is there any real evidence their claim as ship owners and what the Victorian government claims,and the Federal government claims as regulators is anywhere near,evidential requirements!? So are the both governments meeting expectations of any TPA. interpretations of behaviour. Then there is that large ship down in Melbourne,that is going to have its owners paid $500 million,is this fair competition with Australian dredging companies!?Whom always seem to beat me in getting a nod from the State ALP N.S.W. But in this case,the money flows out of Australia,and I would rather fight Australians on these issues.Then is there any real evidence their claim as ship owners and what the Victorian government claims,and the Federal government claims as regulators is anywhere near,evidential requirements!? So are the both governments meeting expectations of any TPA. interpretations of behaviour.

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433664 Mark Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:32:10 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433664 Speaking of the AFR, dk.au, I've been really surprised by the absence of any substantive discussion anywhere else (including as far as I can see the blogosphere) of Garnaut's latest discussion paper which proposes an emmissions trading model that is quite contrary to what I think everyone envisaged and really should be thrashed out. Speaking of the AFR, dk.au, I’ve been really surprised by the absence of any substantive discussion anywhere else (including as far as I can see the blogosphere) of Garnaut’s latest discussion paper which proposes an emmissions trading model that is quite contrary to what I think everyone envisaged and really should be thrashed out.

]]> By: dk.au http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433663 dk.au Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:29:32 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433663 Thanks for the heads up, Sam - AFR is the only authoritative MSM source on emissions trading issues as far as I can tell. Especially for stories on the electricity sector. Carl - cheers. I saw ads indicating they were planning to release something soon. I'm sure they'll be able to demonstrate a carbon ledger that adds up, but it'd be quite absurd if their claims of 'taking cars off the road' weren't pulled up pretty quickly considering how many cars they're involved in keeping on it!!!! Thanks for the heads up, Sam - AFR is the only authoritative MSM source on emissions trading issues as far as I can tell. Especially for stories on the electricity sector.

Carl - cheers. I saw ads indicating they were planning to release something soon. I’m sure they’ll be able to demonstrate a carbon ledger that adds up, but it’d be quite absurd if their claims of ‘taking cars off the road’ weren’t pulled up pretty quickly considering how many cars they’re involved in keeping on it!!!!

]]> By: Carl! http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433640 Carl! Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:49:45 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433640 actually, <a href="http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9012565&contentId=7035431" rel="nofollow"> this will do</a> as an example. Thankfully, the Feds signed off on it first. actually, this will do as an example. Thankfully, the Feds signed off on it first.

]]> By: Carl! http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433637 Carl! Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:44:10 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433637 <blockquote> What about if BP begins to market a ‘carbon neutral fuel’? </blockquote> Maybe I missed the irony, but I'm <i>absolutely positive</i> they already have... Multiple bus-stop ads up around Melbourne as of a fortnight ago, although I can't find any specific mention on their website. I'm so positive because I had the exact same "I wonder what the ACCC would think about that..." thought when I saw it. Will whip out the mobile camera next time I pass one.

What about if BP begins to market a ‘carbon neutral fuel’?

Maybe I missed the irony, but I’m absolutely positive they already have… Multiple bus-stop ads up around Melbourne as of a fortnight ago, although I can’t find any specific mention on their website. I’m so positive because I had the exact same “I wonder what the ACCC would think about that…” thought when I saw it.

Will whip out the mobile camera next time I pass one.

]]> By: Sam Clifford http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433606 Sam Clifford Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:19:58 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/01/30/firing-up-the-trrrrrraade-practices-act-could-get-interesting/#comment-433606 Today's AFR has an article about the ACCC investigating Qantas/Jetstar's "Carbon neutral" flight advertising. Yes, carbon is but one externality in the grand scheme of air travel, road transport, etc. I would be more impressed with an industry code of conduct that caused businesses to embrace sustainable practices rather than offering offsets. LEDs and CFLs for internal lights in planes, freight trains over road trains, recyclable car parts, cars made out of recycled parts, etc. Today’s AFR has an article about the ACCC investigating Qantas/Jetstar’s “Carbon neutral” flight advertising.

Yes, carbon is but one externality in the grand scheme of air travel, road transport, etc. I would be more impressed with an industry code of conduct that caused businesses to embrace sustainable practices rather than offering offsets. LEDs and CFLs for internal lights in planes, freight trains over road trains, recyclable car parts, cars made out of recycled parts, etc.

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