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	<title>Comments on: Springborg: Lazarus in need of a third bypass</title>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-436322</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark [8]:
The Nationals haven't had to bother with formulating distinct policies since Artie Fadden was Bob Menzies' loyal side-kick.   There is no corporate memory of policy making left in the &lt;strike&gt;Country &lt;/strike&gt; National Party.   As was said years ago "Edwards [Liberals] makes all the bullets and Joh [Nationals] just fires them".  That seems to be the way things have always been with the Nationals right across Australia.

As for being an effective Opposition, all they know is bad-mouthing anything-and-everything that Labor comes up with.   Nothing else.   The voters soon got sick of their perpetual whinging, their lack of co-operation with Labor when such was necessary and their lack of worthwhile alternatives.

Let's see if Mr Springborg is radically better than his predecessors - especially now that the Liberals, as a party, are doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark [8]:<br />
The Nationals haven&#8217;t had to bother with formulating distinct policies since Artie Fadden was Bob Menzies&#8217; loyal side-kick.   There is no corporate memory of policy making left in the <strike>Country </strike> National Party.   As was said years ago &#8220;Edwards [Liberals] makes all the bullets and Joh [Nationals] just fires them&#8221;.  That seems to be the way things have always been with the Nationals right across Australia.</p>
<p>As for being an effective Opposition, all they know is bad-mouthing anything-and-everything that Labor comes up with.   Nothing else.   The voters soon got sick of their perpetual whinging, their lack of co-operation with Labor when such was necessary and their lack of worthwhile alternatives.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see if Mr Springborg is radically better than his predecessors - especially now that the Liberals, as a party, are doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435659</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johm,

You're right, especially when The West was instrumental in getting the ban on talking to Burke lifted when Carpenter was elected leader. And it's also interesting to note that since the Liberal FOI feed got squashed by McGinty releasing the whole lot publicly, THe Worst are now reduced to whinging about how the CCC is evil by running the Fong /Burke Inquiry in secret, while the others were public.

No doubt they wanted the Fong one to be public so they could have a field day plublishing the transcripts of the phone taps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johm,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, especially when The West was instrumental in getting the ban on talking to Burke lifted when Carpenter was elected leader. And it&#8217;s also interesting to note that since the Liberal FOI feed got squashed by McGinty releasing the whole lot publicly, THe Worst are now reduced to whinging about how the CCC is evil by running the Fong /Burke Inquiry in secret, while the others were public.</p>
<p>No doubt they wanted the Fong one to be public so they could have a field day plublishing the transcripts of the phone taps.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ryan</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435657</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder if Walker will run as an independent do you think she will win Frank,apart from that, the thing that gets me about WA and its only paper is why none of the assembled press or shock jocks have asked about the editor of the Worsts connection to the evil according to the Worst Brian Burke.
I also believe some of the reporters on the Worst got fed by Brian as well,A question was asked on ABC talk back one day last week but it vanished into the air,and you can be damm sure that 6pr wont look at it either.
Disclosure  I went to school with Brian Burke he was a nice bloke when I knew him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder if Walker will run as an independent do you think she will win Frank,apart from that, the thing that gets me about WA and its only paper is why none of the assembled press or shock jocks have asked about the editor of the Worsts connection to the evil according to the Worst Brian Burke.<br />
I also believe some of the reporters on the Worst got fed by Brian as well,A question was asked on ABC talk back one day last week but it vanished into the air,and you can be damm sure that 6pr wont look at it either.<br />
Disclosure  I went to school with Brian Burke he was a nice bloke when I knew him</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Calabrese</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435645</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Calabrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And no wonder the WA Nationals have ruled out a merger or a Coalition with the WA Liberal Party when this goes on.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23164039-2761,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And no wonder the WA Nationals have ruled out a merger or a Coalition with the WA Liberal Party when this goes on.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23164039-2761,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23164039-2761,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435631</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that all makes sense, Antonio, and I'm interested to see the confirmation of the hypothesis advanced by George Megalogenis that the "welfare to work" thing would come back and bite the Coalition in seats like Brough's. 

But, again, aren't the Libs who think your way barking up the wrong tree? Surely the Nationals and Liberals both are far too obsessed with personalities and the search for an electoral messiah when a distinctive policy approach and really doing a good job in holding Labor to account would prove more electorally fruitful. It's not as though the Bligh government is above criticism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that all makes sense, Antonio, and I&#8217;m interested to see the confirmation of the hypothesis advanced by George Megalogenis that the &#8220;welfare to work&#8221; thing would come back and bite the Coalition in seats like Brough&#8217;s. </p>
<p>But, again, aren&#8217;t the Libs who think your way barking up the wrong tree? Surely the Nationals and Liberals both are far too obsessed with personalities and the search for an electoral messiah when a distinctive policy approach and really doing a good job in holding Labor to account would prove more electorally fruitful. It&#8217;s not as though the Bligh government is above criticism!</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435627</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, for the last eight years or so I have liked Brough because of his unguarded enthusiasm and degree of charisma. As a Queensland Liberal, these two qualities are certainly in very short supply. While I don't agree with all aspects of the intervention, I do believe that Brough was genuine in really wanting to try to do something about the parlous state of indigenous people in far rural communities. I guess time will tell if his idea was successful to any degree.

He was one of the first Qld Lib Federal parliamentarians to openly stand up against Santo's dodginess and I think that he is one of the few Liberals who entered parliament to actually make a difference in people's lives. Some may dislike his heavy-handedness and paternalistic, army commander style approach - and to an extent I agree they have a point. However, I think as a Liberal, it's impoprtant to support politicians on the Right with charisma, enthusiasm and with what appear to be good intentions. As a person he is also quite a moderate fellow with considered views on different social issues.

I have to say that I was honestly quite surprised at the result in his seat. A number of my friends were involved in that campaign and really worked the seat hard. From what I understand, extensive exit-polling was done after the election which showed that while Brough had a very high personal approval rating, in the 2007 election voters in Longman opted to punish his party and John Howard (in particular) for Workchoices and toughening/increased bureaucratisation of Centrelink requirements.

It is bizarre to me that people like Brough cannot be invited into an existing seat while talentless hacks like Johnson and Slipper continue to slink on the parliamentary benches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, for the last eight years or so I have liked Brough because of his unguarded enthusiasm and degree of charisma. As a Queensland Liberal, these two qualities are certainly in very short supply. While I don&#8217;t agree with all aspects of the intervention, I do believe that Brough was genuine in really wanting to try to do something about the parlous state of indigenous people in far rural communities. I guess time will tell if his idea was successful to any degree.</p>
<p>He was one of the first Qld Lib Federal parliamentarians to openly stand up against Santo&#8217;s dodginess and I think that he is one of the few Liberals who entered parliament to actually make a difference in people&#8217;s lives. Some may dislike his heavy-handedness and paternalistic, army commander style approach - and to an extent I agree they have a point. However, I think as a Liberal, it&#8217;s impoprtant to support politicians on the Right with charisma, enthusiasm and with what appear to be good intentions. As a person he is also quite a moderate fellow with considered views on different social issues.</p>
<p>I have to say that I was honestly quite surprised at the result in his seat. A number of my friends were involved in that campaign and really worked the seat hard. From what I understand, extensive exit-polling was done after the election which showed that while Brough had a very high personal approval rating, in the 2007 election voters in Longman opted to punish his party and John Howard (in particular) for Workchoices and toughening/increased bureaucratisation of Centrelink requirements.</p>
<p>It is bizarre to me that people like Brough cannot be invited into an existing seat while talentless hacks like Johnson and Slipper continue to slink on the parliamentary benches.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435616</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of interest, Antonio, why the support for Brough?

He got the highest swing against him of any sitting Liberal member to lose their seat, if I recall. Much higher than the statewide swing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of interest, Antonio, why the support for Brough?</p>
<p>He got the highest swing against him of any sitting Liberal member to lose their seat, if I recall. Much higher than the statewide swing.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435607</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah the machinations of the last few weeks have virtually ended the hope of some people (myself included) for Brough to head a united Right state party. Brough won't touch this with a 10 foot pole now.

The Qld Nationals have struggled with actual policy for almost 10 years now. The biggest problem facing them is the still moribund party organisation which ensures that old white men maintain their grip on party policy and organisation. They need to let younger, more educated  voices like Dom Katter, Cripps and Goodwin (Nat #4 senate candidate soon to succeed Boswell) start taking a more prominent role in policy generation and at the same time encourage more women (and diverse candidates in general!) to run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah the machinations of the last few weeks have virtually ended the hope of some people (myself included) for Brough to head a united Right state party. Brough won&#8217;t touch this with a 10 foot pole now.</p>
<p>The Qld Nationals have struggled with actual policy for almost 10 years now. The biggest problem facing them is the still moribund party organisation which ensures that old white men maintain their grip on party policy and organisation. They need to let younger, more educated  voices like Dom Katter, Cripps and Goodwin (Nat #4 senate candidate soon to succeed Boswell) start taking a more prominent role in policy generation and at the same time encourage more women (and diverse candidates in general!) to run.</p>
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		<title>By: DeeCee</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435598</link>
		<dc:creator>DeeCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OOps - delete 's</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOps - delete &#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: DeeCee</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435597</link>
		<dc:creator>DeeCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chances of Lawrence's (or anyone else's) of uniting Queensland's faction-riddled conservatives in enduring harmony are about as great as uniting the Middle East and the Balkans ditto, for the same reason: too many tribes; too much hatred; for too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chances of Lawrence&#8217;s (or anyone else&#8217;s) of uniting Queensland&#8217;s faction-riddled conservatives in enduring harmony are about as great as uniting the Middle East and the Balkans ditto, for the same reason: too many tribes; too much hatred; for too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435578</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:

Oh for heaven's sake!  Politics in Australia is a rough-and-tough game.

95% 0f the Nationals' problems are the Liberals.

Why doesn't Springborg just give up the idea of a merger.  Tell the Liberals to disband their failed excuse for a party.   Tell Brandis and his ilk to just shut up and apply for membership of the National Party right now - or spend the rest of their careers on the crossbenches doing crosswords.   Then get on with the real business of running a Tory party.

Springborg's pussyfooting around will only lead to his own political demise.

If he's a leader, he has to show leadership and lead the way out of this unholy mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:</p>
<p>Oh for heaven&#8217;s sake!  Politics in Australia is a rough-and-tough game.</p>
<p>95% 0f the Nationals&#8217; problems are the Liberals.</p>
<p>Why doesn&#8217;t Springborg just give up the idea of a merger.  Tell the Liberals to disband their failed excuse for a party.   Tell Brandis and his ilk to just shut up and apply for membership of the National Party right now - or spend the rest of their careers on the crossbenches doing crosswords.   Then get on with the real business of running a Tory party.</p>
<p>Springborg&#8217;s pussyfooting around will only lead to his own political demise.</p>
<p>If he&#8217;s a leader, he has to show leadership and lead the way out of this unholy mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/05/springborg-lazarus-in-need-of-a-third-bypass/#comment-435575</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Eminent Person's Group" - ah, you mean those Persons who visited Nelson Mandela in gaol, when Hawkie was PM (and clever Hawkie invited His Eminence Malcolm Fraser to be a Person)??  No?  Well then, which prisoner will this EPG visit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Eminent Person&#8217;s Group&#8221; - ah, you mean those Persons who visited Nelson Mandela in gaol, when Hawkie was PM (and clever Hawkie invited His Eminence Malcolm Fraser to be a Person)??  No?  Well then, which prisoner will this EPG visit?</p>
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