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	<title>Comments on: Jose Ramos-Horta shot in East Timor</title>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-443971</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salsinha sounds a little saucy.

Sorry.</description>
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<p>Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-443881</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so the circle is complete: Salsinha's #2, Susar, has surrendered and is singing like a canary to save his ass.

Looks like he shot Ramos-Horta, and is fessing to it.

So much for the third hand. Salsinha's got about 3 days to turn himself in, the net is closing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so the circle is complete: Salsinha&#8217;s #2, Susar, has surrendered and is singing like a canary to save his ass.</p>
<p>Looks like he shot Ramos-Horta, and is fessing to it.</p>
<p>So much for the third hand. Salsinha&#8217;s got about 3 days to turn himself in, the net is closing.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-443859</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, Toohey's just trying to save face after being sold a pup, and realising it. Reinado was amply paranoid enough to decide (incorrectly) that Horta was diddling him, all on his own. Just more exculpatory nonsense. So, what it someone was 'in his ear'? The Reinado group are still responsible for their own actions.

As for better future: I predict yes. Already 500 of the 600 petitioners have come to Dili to deal with the government - in droves since Feb 11. Rumours that the only reasons the rest havent is intimidation from Reinado supporters in Ermera.

Reinado appears to have been the main blockage preventing a resolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, Toohey&#8217;s just trying to save face after being sold a pup, and realising it. Reinado was amply paranoid enough to decide (incorrectly) that Horta was diddling him, all on his own. Just more exculpatory nonsense. So, what it someone was &#8216;in his ear&#8217;? The Reinado group are still responsible for their own actions.</p>
<p>As for better future: I predict yes. Already 500 of the 600 petitioners have come to Dili to deal with the government - in droves since Feb 11. Rumours that the only reasons the rest havent is intimidation from Reinado supporters in Ermera.</p>
<p>Reinado appears to have been the main blockage preventing a resolution.</p>
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		<title>By: blogreader</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-443852</link>
		<dc:creator>blogreader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-443852</guid>
		<description>'..Either Reinado did not trust submitting himself to the court process or other people got inside his head, telling him Ramos Horta was going to trick him.'
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23297722-2703,00.html

Toohey may be right to wrap the story up here, but it remains to be seen whether the "other people" precipitated a better future for the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;..Either Reinado did not trust submitting himself to the court process or other people got inside his head, telling him Ramos Horta was going to trick him.&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23297722-2703,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23297722-2703,00.html</a></p>
<p>Toohey may be right to wrap the story up here, but it remains to be seen whether the &#8220;other people&#8221; precipitated a better future for the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-443589</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-443589</guid>
		<description>Toohey in the GG finally recants of his mad rumour-mongering articles.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23297722-2703,00.html

Geez, I could told him that stuff was bollocks 3 weeks ago. 

In fact, I did. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toohey in the GG finally recants of his mad rumour-mongering articles.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23297722-2703,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23297722-2703,00.html</a></p>
<p>Geez, I could told him that stuff was bollocks 3 weeks ago. </p>
<p>In fact, I did. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-441700</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless it was planned at the last minute, Zorronsky, eg after an enormous balls-up at Ramos-Horta's. Looks to some like it was a kidnap attempt at XGs house (but he'd alredy left), followed by hamfisted attack (kidnap or assassination, or just angry unfocussed reactive active after Reinado's death) down the road, signalled by a shot from Salsinha back at the house.

Plus they were taking some return fire from a Prime Ministerial guard in XGs car. 

I might add there's no suggestion Reinado's men are crack troops. Most were MPs - and havent been on active duty for 2 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless it was planned at the last minute, Zorronsky, eg after an enormous balls-up at Ramos-Horta&#8217;s. Looks to some like it was a kidnap attempt at XGs house (but he&#8217;d alredy left), followed by hamfisted attack (kidnap or assassination, or just angry unfocussed reactive active after Reinado&#8217;s death) down the road, signalled by a shot from Salsinha back at the house.</p>
<p>Plus they were taking some return fire from a Prime Ministerial guard in XGs car. </p>
<p>I might add there&#8217;s no suggestion Reinado&#8217;s men are crack troops. Most were MPs - and havent been on active duty for 2 years.</p>
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		<title>By: zorronsky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-441693</link>
		<dc:creator>zorronsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely if you contemplate ambushing a convoy with the aim of knocking over the leader of a country you would have firepower to match your ambition? Can't imagine my former superiors being overjoyed with that farcical attempt. Unless of course it was to look like an attempted assassination!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely if you contemplate ambushing a convoy with the aim of knocking over the leader of a country you would have firepower to match your ambition? Can&#8217;t imagine my former superiors being overjoyed with that farcical attempt. Unless of course it was to look like an attempted assassination!</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-441635</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two separate issues there, Sir Henry. You're spot on about the politics of justice re TNI crimes. The Turth and Friendship Commission has degenerated into an embrassing farce. TNI officers come along aand laugh at Timorese testimony. Its a disgrace, and should be preemptorily abandonded in protest by the Timorese.

I tend to lean the other way on the the XG incident though. I know the rumours about Monteiro, but he's not a one man show. Plus the "not riddled" assertion comes exclusively from the same journo who has brought us every mad evidence-free rumour circulating Dili, plus several completely incorrect assertions (eg 'Pires is Fretilin'. Anyone who knew her would laugh). He seems to be backtracking a wee bit in the latest piece, which is substantially testimony for XGs driver, rather than the Monteiro-approved case.

Plus, Ive seen one picture of the car - and the only bullet holes I saw were high up, two, back door. Not tyre shots. How many high shots do you need before you conclude it was at an attempt on his life, or at least, reckless toward it? 

My concern is that the rumour mill is whipping up an exculpatory story for these thugs in Reinado's gang. Wanna know who was behind them  - track them down and interrogate them.

Also: XG immediately called it a coup, an attempt on his life. He conducted 100s of set piece ambushes in his time, and knows a fair bit about them, and what they look like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two separate issues there, Sir Henry. You&#8217;re spot on about the politics of justice re TNI crimes. The Turth and Friendship Commission has degenerated into an embrassing farce. TNI officers come along aand laugh at Timorese testimony. Its a disgrace, and should be preemptorily abandonded in protest by the Timorese.</p>
<p>I tend to lean the other way on the the XG incident though. I know the rumours about Monteiro, but he&#8217;s not a one man show. Plus the &#8220;not riddled&#8221; assertion comes exclusively from the same journo who has brought us every mad evidence-free rumour circulating Dili, plus several completely incorrect assertions (eg &#8216;Pires is Fretilin&#8217;. Anyone who knew her would laugh). He seems to be backtracking a wee bit in the latest piece, which is substantially testimony for XGs driver, rather than the Monteiro-approved case.</p>
<p>Plus, Ive seen one picture of the car - and the only bullet holes I saw were high up, two, back door. Not tyre shots. How many high shots do you need before you conclude it was at an attempt on his life, or at least, reckless toward it? </p>
<p>My concern is that the rumour mill is whipping up an exculpatory story for these thugs in Reinado&#8217;s gang. Wanna know who was behind them  - track them down and interrogate them.</p>
<p>Also: XG immediately called it a coup, an attempt on his life. He conducted 100s of set piece ambushes in his time, and knows a fair bit about them, and what they look like.</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Henry Casingbroke</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-441504</link>
		<dc:creator>Sir Henry Casingbroke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The Australian ('s reporter, Paul Toohey) briefly inspected it (Gusmao's car) before being ordered away and it did not appear to be riddled (with bullets). But Prosecutor-General Longuinhos Monteiro said the vehicles in the convoy took about 45 bullets, most of them aimed at Mr Gusmaoâ€™s car."

Okay, the "vehicle+S (that's plural) in the convoy took 45 rounds. So the assailants were shooting at all of the convoy, not specifically at Gusmao's Toyota. Or they were very very dud shots. They were armed with Steyrs and M16-derived M4s, both have built-in telescopic sights. Or this was just a bit of panto.

"...most of them aimed at Mr Gusmao's car". So, let's say 30, or a whole M4 magazine. That would definitely be "riddled" as far as I am concerned. Toohey was then not allowed to see the damage and was "ordered away" away. Toohey says the car "did not appear to be riddled".

Is Longuinhos Monteiro, on the level?

Background note: East Timor's Prosecutor General Longuinhos Monteiro was born in Maliana district and is the former Deputy of UN-appointed Prosecutor General Mohamed Othman. Othman is a Tanzanian judge with experience at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda. 

Longuinhos Monteiro has a law degree from Udayana University in Denpasar, Indonesia, and was appointed Investigating Judge for the Dili District Court in January 2000. This is after the United Nations Transitional Administration took charge so presumably he was appointed by the UN.

Longuinhos Monteiro comes onto our bullshit detector screen with the news of the serial ransacking of East Timorâ€™s Serious Crimes Unit ans subsequent disappearance of many of its high-value files.

The unit (now disbanded) was established by the UN to investigate the violence and massacres in 1999 perpetrated by the TNI and pro-Indonesian militia around (before and after) UN-sponsored referendum on independence. Files on the massacre at the Maliana police station were stolen, for example, holding the indictment of crimes against humanity against relatives of Longuinhos, Natalino Monteiro, who led and participated in the Maliana killings and Ruben Monteiro, charged with murder.

Longuinhos Monteiro told the media that his offices had been looted on several occasions and up to 15 per cent of the criminal archive had been stolen. 

This is another one of those East Timor mysteries: why, with 1300 fully-armed Australians, plus 140-strong Portuguese riot squad, plus other UN troops, those vital records, which also included evidence against the Indonesian General Wiranto, were not safeguarded with a bit more assiduousness. I mean, you'd have to ask. And who was in charge? Longuinhos.

I am speculating that Gusmao would have been glad to be shot of the files as he tries for accommodation with the elephant in the room, Indonesia. Such a carelessness with the files would have been seen in a favourable light in Jakarta, no doubt.

Incidentally, Longuinhos Monteiro himself came under pressure from Gusmao to try and withdraw the indictments against Wiranto, but the Special UN Judge rejected the motion.

Australia, and let's not forget the US in the background, of course, aren't all that keen to go after Indonesia either and hence open up a can of worms (or if you prefer another cliche, a Pandora's box). So, it is just possible that Australia was never guard those files all that carefully. 

The Europeans on the other hand, represented on the ground by the ex-colonial masters Portugal, want the International Court of Justice to get involved. Then there are the expectations of the Timor Leste punters, many of whose relos were butchered by the militias.

I guess Gusmao is caught between a rock and hard place. 

As far Jose Ramos Horta concerned, he might as well just come back to the family home in Liverpool, New South Wales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Australian (&#8217;s reporter, Paul Toohey) briefly inspected it (Gusmao&#8217;s car) before being ordered away and it did not appear to be riddled (with bullets). But Prosecutor-General Longuinhos Monteiro said the vehicles in the convoy took about 45 bullets, most of them aimed at Mr Gusmaoâ€™s car.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, the &#8220;vehicle+S (that&#8217;s plural) in the convoy took 45 rounds. So the assailants were shooting at all of the convoy, not specifically at Gusmao&#8217;s Toyota. Or they were very very dud shots. They were armed with Steyrs and M16-derived M4s, both have built-in telescopic sights. Or this was just a bit of panto.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;most of them aimed at Mr Gusmao&#8217;s car&#8221;. So, let&#8217;s say 30, or a whole M4 magazine. That would definitely be &#8220;riddled&#8221; as far as I am concerned. Toohey was then not allowed to see the damage and was &#8220;ordered away&#8221; away. Toohey says the car &#8220;did not appear to be riddled&#8221;.</p>
<p>Is Longuinhos Monteiro, on the level?</p>
<p>Background note: East Timor&#8217;s Prosecutor General Longuinhos Monteiro was born in Maliana district and is the former Deputy of UN-appointed Prosecutor General Mohamed Othman. Othman is a Tanzanian judge with experience at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda. </p>
<p>Longuinhos Monteiro has a law degree from Udayana University in Denpasar, Indonesia, and was appointed Investigating Judge for the Dili District Court in January 2000. This is after the United Nations Transitional Administration took charge so presumably he was appointed by the UN.</p>
<p>Longuinhos Monteiro comes onto our bullshit detector screen with the news of the serial ransacking of East Timorâ€™s Serious Crimes Unit ans subsequent disappearance of many of its high-value files.</p>
<p>The unit (now disbanded) was established by the UN to investigate the violence and massacres in 1999 perpetrated by the TNI and pro-Indonesian militia around (before and after) UN-sponsored referendum on independence. Files on the massacre at the Maliana police station were stolen, for example, holding the indictment of crimes against humanity against relatives of Longuinhos, Natalino Monteiro, who led and participated in the Maliana killings and Ruben Monteiro, charged with murder.</p>
<p>Longuinhos Monteiro told the media that his offices had been looted on several occasions and up to 15 per cent of the criminal archive had been stolen. </p>
<p>This is another one of those East Timor mysteries: why, with 1300 fully-armed Australians, plus 140-strong Portuguese riot squad, plus other UN troops, those vital records, which also included evidence against the Indonesian General Wiranto, were not safeguarded with a bit more assiduousness. I mean, you&#8217;d have to ask. And who was in charge? Longuinhos.</p>
<p>I am speculating that Gusmao would have been glad to be shot of the files as he tries for accommodation with the elephant in the room, Indonesia. Such a carelessness with the files would have been seen in a favourable light in Jakarta, no doubt.</p>
<p>Incidentally, Longuinhos Monteiro himself came under pressure from Gusmao to try and withdraw the indictments against Wiranto, but the Special UN Judge rejected the motion.</p>
<p>Australia, and let&#8217;s not forget the US in the background, of course, aren&#8217;t all that keen to go after Indonesia either and hence open up a can of worms (or if you prefer another cliche, a Pandora&#8217;s box). So, it is just possible that Australia was never guard those files all that carefully. </p>
<p>The Europeans on the other hand, represented on the ground by the ex-colonial masters Portugal, want the International Court of Justice to get involved. Then there are the expectations of the Timor Leste punters, many of whose relos were butchered by the militias.</p>
<p>I guess Gusmao is caught between a rock and hard place. </p>
<p>As far Jose Ramos Horta concerned, he might as well just come back to the family home in Liverpool, New South Wales.</p>
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		<title>By: blogreader</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-441393</link>
		<dc:creator>blogreader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Timorese army is probably feeling a bit like the Fox Task Force they have in Tasmania, spending a lot of time chasing a very elusive animal and not having much to show for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Timorese army is probably feeling a bit like the Fox Task Force they have in Tasmania, spending a lot of time chasing a very elusive animal and not having much to show for it.</p>
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		<title>By: blogreader</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-441384</link>
		<dc:creator>blogreader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"February 20, 2008
DILI: East Timor's military has pulled out of a hunt for rebels accused of attacking the nation's two top leaders.
...â€œWhy should we go to places that are empty?â€? asked military chief Brigadier General Taur Matan Ruak of the search, which has focused on the hills outside Dili.
â€œWe have already cancelled our operations ... cancelling does not mean that there will not be any operation again.â€? "
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23246251-2703,00.html

February 22, 2008
East Timor in renewed hunt for would-be assassins
By Stephanie March in Dili
East Timor's police and military have started a new operation to search for the rebels
Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao says East Timor cannot afford to sit and wait for the rebels to come out of hiding.
"We are starting to go after the rebels. We will go after them and destroy them - destroy them so the people have stability, destroy them so that we can develop our country," he said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/22/2170446.htm?section=world

That's a bit rich coming from the ex East Timor rebel commander Jose Alexandre ``Xanana'' Gusmao.
Seems like he is not going along with JRH's idea.

Here is a curious exhange between Andrew Denton and Xanana Gusmao.

"ANDREW DENTON: Oh, really? Just trying to think. Thank goodness you didn't take, because this was the early '70s, wasn't it? You could've taken a disco name. You could've been known as Captain Boogie. That would not be good. You could've been known as Shaft. Well, it's a very cool name, I have to say, and if I ever have another life I'm going to call myself that.

XANANA GUSMAO: But not Banana.

ANDREW DENTON: Oh, right.

XANANA GUSMAO: Meaning the Republic of Xanana.

ANDREW DENTON: Xanana Republic, yes. It's such a cruel game, politics, isn't it? "

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1417333.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;February 20, 2008<br />
DILI: East Timor&#8217;s military has pulled out of a hunt for rebels accused of attacking the nation&#8217;s two top leaders.<br />
&#8230;â€œWhy should we go to places that are empty?â€? asked military chief Brigadier General Taur Matan Ruak of the search, which has focused on the hills outside Dili.<br />
â€œWe have already cancelled our operations &#8230; cancelling does not mean that there will not be any operation again.â€? &#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23246251-2703,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23246251-2703,00.html</a></p>
<p>February 22, 2008<br />
East Timor in renewed hunt for would-be assassins<br />
By Stephanie March in Dili<br />
East Timor&#8217;s police and military have started a new operation to search for the rebels<br />
Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao says East Timor cannot afford to sit and wait for the rebels to come out of hiding.<br />
&#8220;We are starting to go after the rebels. We will go after them and destroy them - destroy them so the people have stability, destroy them so that we can develop our country,&#8221; he said.<br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/22/2170446.htm?section=world" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/22/2170446.htm?section=world</a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a bit rich coming from the ex East Timor rebel commander Jose Alexandre &#8220;Xanana&#8221; Gusmao.<br />
Seems like he is not going along with JRH&#8217;s idea.</p>
<p>Here is a curious exhange between Andrew Denton and Xanana Gusmao.</p>
<p>&#8220;ANDREW DENTON: Oh, really? Just trying to think. Thank goodness you didn&#8217;t take, because this was the early &#8217;70s, wasn&#8217;t it? You could&#8217;ve taken a disco name. You could&#8217;ve been known as Captain Boogie. That would not be good. You could&#8217;ve been known as Shaft. Well, it&#8217;s a very cool name, I have to say, and if I ever have another life I&#8217;m going to call myself that.</p>
<p>XANANA GUSMAO: But not Banana.</p>
<p>ANDREW DENTON: Oh, right.</p>
<p>XANANA GUSMAO: Meaning the Republic of Xanana.</p>
<p>ANDREW DENTON: Xanana Republic, yes. It&#8217;s such a cruel game, politics, isn&#8217;t it? &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1417333.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1417333.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-441042</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a reflection on that folks: thats 45 bullets in Xanana's convoy; most aimed at his car.

No one was hurt.

Maybe he became a Tiger Cat, a deer, or a bat.


You cant shoot Kay Rala Xanana Gusmao, little men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a reflection on that folks: thats 45 bullets in Xanana&#8217;s convoy; most aimed at his car.</p>
<p>No one was hurt.</p>
<p>Maybe he became a Tiger Cat, a deer, or a bat.</p>
<p>You cant shoot Kay Rala Xanana Gusmao, little men.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-441034</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this story clears up a lot of lingering doubt about what went on. Sorry for text, cant find online link. Looks like a full fledged, if rapidly decided, assassination attempt against Gusmao - preceded by kidnap plans. Plus confirms Reinado has 11 men at JRHs house. Seems rather a lot for a friendly chat. 

The 'third force' theories are looking rather dodgy.


The Australian Thursday, February 21, 2008

Gusmao driver tells of headlong flight from ambush

Paul Toohey

DILI -- ADOLFO Suarez dos Santos, Xanana Gusmao's driver since 2002, has no doubt the men 
who ambushed his boss last week had lethal intentions. The two bullets that lodged in the 
back of his seat proved that much.

Mr dos Santos has revealed for the first time how he got the East Timor Prime Minister 
out of harm's way as his motorcade came under heavy fire from four angles by ramming the 
vehicle in front, tearing down the hill on three tyres and later marching his boss 
through the jungle to safety.

Speaking to The Australian, he said at about 6.15am last Monday, one of the Prime 
Minister's advisers, Joaquim Fonseca, called to say that President Jose Ramos Horta's 
compound was under attack.

Mr Fonseca, who lives near the Ramos Horta villa east of Dili, wanted to warn Mr Gusmao, 
who lives in Balibar, about 10km up a winding, narrow road in the hills above the 
capital. But Mr Gusmao decided he would head to his Dili office regardless.

``We readied the cars to go down the hill,'' Mr dos Santos said.

``We heard the shooting. The car in front of us stopped and blocked the road for the 
Prime Minister's car as the guard returned fire out of his side window. The Prime 
Minister was trapped behind this car and couldn't get out.''

The attack was aimed mainly at the Prime Minister's car, he said. ``I was working out how 
to get out of there. I straightened up my car (and) rammed the vehicle in front, which 
was blocking my way. I hit it hard.''

Mr dos Santos said Mr Gusmao was calm. ``He was just saying, `Take off, go'. The 
ambushers were positioned in four points on either side of the road. When they saw no one 
had died inside our vehicle, they started firing low. The front left tyre was shot out as 
they got past the car in front.

``I could not know how many shots hit the car. Two bullets hit my back seat but didn't go 
all the way through. The back window was shattered. They were trying to kill me, but they 
couldn't do it.''

Mr dos Santos said the Prime Minister's car was not fitted with bullet-proof windows. He 
said Mr Gusmao also never carried a telephone. His own phone battery was too low to call 
out but even if he could have called, his priority was to get Mr Gusmao to Dili.

They drove the crippled Toyota Prado about 6km down to a spot called Fatunabo, where Mr 
dos Santos declared the 4WD could go no further. He hailed a truck loaded with people. 
``I said to the driver, `Please take the Prime Minister and us to Dili','' he said.

But Mr dos Santos was still worried about the possibility of an ambush on a bend just 
ahead and realised they might be placing the truck passengers in danger. They asked the 
truck to take the bend and wait for them on the other side of a valley.

Mr Gusmao, Mr dos Santos and the armed guard walked for about 1km through the jungle as 
people emerged from scattered shacks and started following them. ``The Prime Minister 
told them to return to their homes and stay there,'' Mr dos Santos said. ``They said, 
`Yes, brother'.''

The third vehicle in the convoy had returned to the Prime Minister's residence, where Mr 
Gusmao's Australian-born wife, Kirsty Sword-Gusmao, and their three children had also 
been under attack.

The fourth vehicle from the convoy arrived and collected the three men from the roadside. 
They told the waiting truck they would not need their help and drove to Dili, where Mr 
Gusmao walked straight into security meetings.

Mr dos Santos did not have time to examine how many bullets Mr Gusmao's car took. The 
Australian briefly inspected it before being ordered away and it did not appear to be 
riddled. But Prosecutor-General Longuinhos Monteiro said the vehicles in the convoy took 
about 45 bullets, most of them aimed at Mr Gusmao's car.

He said Major-General Alfredo Reinado's second-in-command, Lieutenant Gastao Salsinha, 
who has strongly denied any involvement, had been positively identified in the events at 
Balibar.

Mr Monteiro said minutes before the ambush, Lieutenant Salsinha and another rebel had 
approached Mr Gusmao's residence and pointed their weapons at the police guard. Mr 
Monteiro said the guard said to them: ``If you take my weapon, you must kill me.''

``They asked, `Where is the Prime Minister?' They said the Prime Minister had already 
left. Salsinha seemed to want to go in the back of the house, asking where the Prime 
Minister's wife and kids were. Suddenly, he turned back and fired once in the air. What 
did this mean? It was a signal to the men below to ambush.

``Our conclusion is that if Salsinha had found the Prime Minister in the house, he would 
have taken him alive. But because he had already left, the decision was to kill him.''

Mr Monteiro also said 11 men, including Reinado, had gone to Mr Ramos Horta's house -- 
seven with rifles, one with a pistol and three who were possibly drivers. He said there 
was evidence of 75 shots being fired in the presidential compound but they were ``still 
counting''.

Reinado was killed in the exchange, which left Mr Ramos Horta fighting for his life in a 
Darwin hospital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this story clears up a lot of lingering doubt about what went on. Sorry for text, cant find online link. Looks like a full fledged, if rapidly decided, assassination attempt against Gusmao - preceded by kidnap plans. Plus confirms Reinado has 11 men at JRHs house. Seems rather a lot for a friendly chat. </p>
<p>The &#8216;third force&#8217; theories are looking rather dodgy.</p>
<p>The Australian Thursday, February 21, 2008</p>
<p>Gusmao driver tells of headlong flight from ambush</p>
<p>Paul Toohey</p>
<p>DILI &#8212; ADOLFO Suarez dos Santos, Xanana Gusmao&#8217;s driver since 2002, has no doubt the men<br />
who ambushed his boss last week had lethal intentions. The two bullets that lodged in the<br />
back of his seat proved that much.</p>
<p>Mr dos Santos has revealed for the first time how he got the East Timor Prime Minister<br />
out of harm&#8217;s way as his motorcade came under heavy fire from four angles by ramming the<br />
vehicle in front, tearing down the hill on three tyres and later marching his boss<br />
through the jungle to safety.</p>
<p>Speaking to The Australian, he said at about 6.15am last Monday, one of the Prime<br />
Minister&#8217;s advisers, Joaquim Fonseca, called to say that President Jose Ramos Horta&#8217;s<br />
compound was under attack.</p>
<p>Mr Fonseca, who lives near the Ramos Horta villa east of Dili, wanted to warn Mr Gusmao,<br />
who lives in Balibar, about 10km up a winding, narrow road in the hills above the<br />
capital. But Mr Gusmao decided he would head to his Dili office regardless.</p>
<p>&#8220;We readied the cars to go down the hill,&#8221; Mr dos Santos said.</p>
<p>&#8220;We heard the shooting. The car in front of us stopped and blocked the road for the<br />
Prime Minister&#8217;s car as the guard returned fire out of his side window. The Prime<br />
Minister was trapped behind this car and couldn&#8217;t get out.&#8221;</p>
<p>The attack was aimed mainly at the Prime Minister&#8217;s car, he said. &#8220;I was working out how<br />
to get out of there. I straightened up my car (and) rammed the vehicle in front, which<br />
was blocking my way. I hit it hard.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr dos Santos said Mr Gusmao was calm. &#8220;He was just saying, `Take off, go&#8217;. The<br />
ambushers were positioned in four points on either side of the road. When they saw no one<br />
had died inside our vehicle, they started firing low. The front left tyre was shot out as<br />
they got past the car in front.</p>
<p>&#8220;I could not know how many shots hit the car. Two bullets hit my back seat but didn&#8217;t go<br />
all the way through. The back window was shattered. They were trying to kill me, but they<br />
couldn&#8217;t do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr dos Santos said the Prime Minister&#8217;s car was not fitted with bullet-proof windows. He<br />
said Mr Gusmao also never carried a telephone. His own phone battery was too low to call<br />
out but even if he could have called, his priority was to get Mr Gusmao to Dili.</p>
<p>They drove the crippled Toyota Prado about 6km down to a spot called Fatunabo, where Mr<br />
dos Santos declared the 4WD could go no further. He hailed a truck loaded with people.<br />
&#8220;I said to the driver, `Please take the Prime Minister and us to Dili&#8217;,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>But Mr dos Santos was still worried about the possibility of an ambush on a bend just<br />
ahead and realised they might be placing the truck passengers in danger. They asked the<br />
truck to take the bend and wait for them on the other side of a valley.</p>
<p>Mr Gusmao, Mr dos Santos and the armed guard walked for about 1km through the jungle as<br />
people emerged from scattered shacks and started following them. &#8220;The Prime Minister<br />
told them to return to their homes and stay there,&#8221; Mr dos Santos said. &#8220;They said,<br />
`Yes, brother&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>The third vehicle in the convoy had returned to the Prime Minister&#8217;s residence, where Mr<br />
Gusmao&#8217;s Australian-born wife, Kirsty Sword-Gusmao, and their three children had also<br />
been under attack.</p>
<p>The fourth vehicle from the convoy arrived and collected the three men from the roadside.<br />
They told the waiting truck they would not need their help and drove to Dili, where Mr<br />
Gusmao walked straight into security meetings.</p>
<p>Mr dos Santos did not have time to examine how many bullets Mr Gusmao&#8217;s car took. The<br />
Australian briefly inspected it before being ordered away and it did not appear to be<br />
riddled. But Prosecutor-General Longuinhos Monteiro said the vehicles in the convoy took<br />
about 45 bullets, most of them aimed at Mr Gusmao&#8217;s car.</p>
<p>He said Major-General Alfredo Reinado&#8217;s second-in-command, Lieutenant Gastao Salsinha,<br />
who has strongly denied any involvement, had been positively identified in the events at<br />
Balibar.</p>
<p>Mr Monteiro said minutes before the ambush, Lieutenant Salsinha and another rebel had<br />
approached Mr Gusmao&#8217;s residence and pointed their weapons at the police guard. Mr<br />
Monteiro said the guard said to them: &#8220;If you take my weapon, you must kill me.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;They asked, `Where is the Prime Minister?&#8217; They said the Prime Minister had already<br />
left. Salsinha seemed to want to go in the back of the house, asking where the Prime<br />
Minister&#8217;s wife and kids were. Suddenly, he turned back and fired once in the air. What<br />
did this mean? It was a signal to the men below to ambush.</p>
<p>&#8220;Our conclusion is that if Salsinha had found the Prime Minister in the house, he would<br />
have taken him alive. But because he had already left, the decision was to kill him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr Monteiro also said 11 men, including Reinado, had gone to Mr Ramos Horta&#8217;s house &#8212;<br />
seven with rifles, one with a pistol and three who were possibly drivers. He said there<br />
was evidence of 75 shots being fired in the presidential compound but they were &#8220;still<br />
counting&#8221;.</p>
<p>Reinado was killed in the exchange, which left Mr Ramos Horta fighting for his life in a<br />
Darwin hospital.</p>
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		<dc:creator>blogreader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lefty E. Thanks for that good advice, I have taken it to heart.
I don't know the whole story, but like others here I smell a dead rat, sorry, fish.
It has been my experience that you can't build any thing substantial on a pack of lies.
Maybe the truth would help bring the conflict to a faster resolution, it is generations that are missing out on the benefits of peace harmony and prosperity, unnecessarily in my view.
Now regarding that advice, and good advice it was, I still think you may know what happened or at least know somebody that knows what happened, (if you get my drift).
If it is the latter, you need to consider the possibility of filtering, that is, some things may not be disclosed to you, so I'd like to return the favour and say, beware what you hear......
Apropos of the filtering I referred to here is an example of something similar,

"Lieutenant Colonel Lance Collins was one of several intelligence officers who highlighted the existence of a pro-Indonesia group of bureaucrats, academics, media and business people - the Jakarta Lobby
He has since been moved to a training position, despite his claims being substantiated in an investigation by Captain Martin Toohey in 2003.
The Government has denied both his allegations and the findings of Captain Toohey, who agreed with Lieutenant Colonel Collins that a pro-Jakarta lobby existed and that DIO "generally reports what the Government wants to hear".

"Since I became involved in this thing six years ago, I've been confronted with a legion of hired liars who keep pushing this message - I'm just doing my duty, I'm doing what I'm told - and that's actually the ethics of the hitman, nothing personal, just business." "
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,16035060-2,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lefty E. Thanks for that good advice, I have taken it to heart.<br />
I don&#8217;t know the whole story, but like others here I smell a dead rat, sorry, fish.<br />
It has been my experience that you can&#8217;t build any thing substantial on a pack of lies.<br />
Maybe the truth would help bring the conflict to a faster resolution, it is generations that are missing out on the benefits of peace harmony and prosperity, unnecessarily in my view.<br />
Now regarding that advice, and good advice it was, I still think you may know what happened or at least know somebody that knows what happened, (if you get my drift).<br />
If it is the latter, you need to consider the possibility of filtering, that is, some things may not be disclosed to you, so I&#8217;d like to return the favour and say, beware what you hear&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Apropos of the filtering I referred to here is an example of something similar,</p>
<p>&#8220;Lieutenant Colonel Lance Collins was one of several intelligence officers who highlighted the existence of a pro-Indonesia group of bureaucrats, academics, media and business people - the Jakarta Lobby<br />
He has since been moved to a training position, despite his claims being substantiated in an investigation by Captain Martin Toohey in 2003.<br />
The Government has denied both his allegations and the findings of Captain Toohey, who agreed with Lieutenant Colonel Collins that a pro-Jakarta lobby existed and that DIO &#8220;generally reports what the Government wants to hear&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Since I became involved in this thing six years ago, I&#8217;ve been confronted with a legion of hired liars who keep pushing this message - I&#8217;m just doing my duty, I&#8217;m doing what I&#8217;m told - and that&#8217;s actually the ethics of the hitman, nothing personal, just business.&#8221; &#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,16035060-2,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,16035060-2,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment I was intending to make re request from another thread would be repetitious as it seems to be covered in the conspiracy - who shot JRH above mostly, from what I can gather. I hadn't dipped into this one, so I wasn't aware what was on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment I was intending to make re request from another thread would be repetitious as it seems to be covered in the conspiracy - who shot JRH above mostly, from what I can gather. I hadn&#8217;t dipped into this one, so I wasn&#8217;t aware what was on it.</p>
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		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-440712</link>
		<dc:creator>Enemy Combatant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FBI!! Hunh? Not The Cavalry or The Texas Rangers or maybe Chuck Connors. What's the FB"freakin'"I got to do with crimes in Dili? Dili doesn't look like Waco Texas to me .
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/21/2168282.htm

Remember the US warship off Dili when Little Johnny Howard , having been badgered relentlessly by Australia's Catholics, finally sent Australian troops into Timor L'este.
Then back in 1975, President Ford and Nobel Peace Laureate, Henry Kissinger, gave Suharto the green light to invade the hapless country.

The tentacles of hegemony extend far indeed! Anybody would think that Freeport McCord operatives  have found gold or copper in abundance in E.T.  Dolly and The Indons screwed them senseless over the Timor Gap Oil. One suspects quite reasonably There Will Be Blood again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FBI!! Hunh? Not The Cavalry or The Texas Rangers or maybe Chuck Connors. What&#8217;s the FB&#8221;freakin&#8217;&#8221;I got to do with crimes in Dili? Dili doesn&#8217;t look like Waco Texas to me .<br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/21/2168282.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/21/2168282.htm</a></p>
<p>Remember the US warship off Dili when Little Johnny Howard , having been badgered relentlessly by Australia&#8217;s Catholics, finally sent Australian troops into Timor L&#8217;este.<br />
Then back in 1975, President Ford and Nobel Peace Laureate, Henry Kissinger, gave Suharto the green light to invade the hapless country.</p>
<p>The tentacles of hegemony extend far indeed! Anybody would think that Freeport McCord operatives  have found gold or copper in abundance in E.T.  Dolly and The Indons screwed them senseless over the Timor Gap Oil. One suspects quite reasonably There Will Be Blood again.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone :
Thanks.  The paradox is that what you are saying here is the situation was more complex and yet clearer than the news given to us in &lt;strike&gt;Pravda&lt;/strike&gt; the mainstram media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone :<br />
Thanks.  The paradox is that what you are saying here is the situation was more complex and yet clearer than the news given to us in <strike>Pravda</strike> the mainstram media.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/11/jose-ramos-horta-shot-in-east-timor/#comment-440659</link>
		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last thoughts before bed, in what is descending into some "who shot JRH?" saga.

If you want to find out who was an accomplice, it will be whoever lent them the new govt car.

My guess is it was the same people who told them about XGs deal with 100 of the petitioners. The one that made Reinado flip his lid.

my point above is that Reinado's group are responsible for some very serious crimes, any way you slice it, irrespective of whoever else was involved, or recently in his ear. 

My gut feeling on the whole thing is this:  Reinado turned up to surprise JRH, angry about a perceived betrayal, wanting to yell, strut and threaten, but without any real intention to capture / seriously harm  him. But it was reckless, stupid, poorly planned, and all got out of hand. Pissed off after his death, his men shot JRH either deliberately, or while shootly wildly at FDTL in the gunfight, or he was caught in crossfire.

His men, however, DID intend to kidnap or detain XG. Whether pre-planned, or an angry reaction to Reinado's death (they had time), they intended to do it, but he got away. Like he always does.

The whole scenario suggests to me they saw JRH as a potential ally, but were unsure whether they were getting shopped, and they didnt trust XG at all. They were already angry at him, as per the DVD released earlier. He wa a target when the forced meeting with JRH went wrong.

And that all points back to the petitioner/ betrayal/ loose cannon reaction theory. A theory which doesnt really require active third parties; merely intrigue, and a shifting pattern of friends and enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last thoughts before bed, in what is descending into some &#8220;who shot JRH?&#8221; saga.</p>
<p>If you want to find out who was an accomplice, it will be whoever lent them the new govt car.</p>
<p>My guess is it was the same people who told them about XGs deal with 100 of the petitioners. The one that made Reinado flip his lid.</p>
<p>my point above is that Reinado&#8217;s group are responsible for some very serious crimes, any way you slice it, irrespective of whoever else was involved, or recently in his ear. </p>
<p>My gut feeling on the whole thing is this:  Reinado turned up to surprise JRH, angry about a perceived betrayal, wanting to yell, strut and threaten, but without any real intention to capture / seriously harm  him. But it was reckless, stupid, poorly planned, and all got out of hand. Pissed off after his death, his men shot JRH either deliberately, or while shootly wildly at FDTL in the gunfight, or he was caught in crossfire.</p>
<p>His men, however, DID intend to kidnap or detain XG. Whether pre-planned, or an angry reaction to Reinado&#8217;s death (they had time), they intended to do it, but he got away. Like he always does.</p>
<p>The whole scenario suggests to me they saw JRH as a potential ally, but were unsure whether they were getting shopped, and they didnt trust XG at all. They were already angry at him, as per the DVD released earlier. He wa a target when the forced meeting with JRH went wrong.</p>
<p>And that all points back to the petitioner/ betrayal/ loose cannon reaction theory. A theory which doesnt really require active third parties; merely intrigue, and a shifting pattern of friends and enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, depends what you mean by the "reinado explanation", Blogreader.

Did he intend to kill JRH and XG? Im sure he didnt. 

Did he recklessly wade, univited, unexpected, and armed to the teeth at 6am into a security compound? Yes. 

Did his group then engage in a running firefight with FDTL guards in which (and we know not how) JRH was shot? Yes, clearly.

Did another section of his group then fire on the Prime Ministers car, forcing him to flee, as far as he knew, for his life? Yes.

I dunno about TL crim law, but in Au a dangerous act (eg firign guns) in the pursuit of a criminal purpose (eg kidnapping, armed assault) is still attempted murder by law.

I might add that not one single shred of evidence has been put forward for alternative theories. All we get is his uncle reckons this, his men (ie actual suspects) reckon that. Seriously.

As for Uncle Alves himself - let me tell me something of him. He killed a Liurai, a big man on Atauro Island in 99, in front of 50 witnesses. Then came up with a famous cock and bull story about how how his gun spun through the air and went off accidentally. then he claimed the guy was militia, which he wasnt. Farcical court case ensued, bla bla, he got off. 

I wouldnt believe a word he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, depends what you mean by the &#8220;reinado explanation&#8221;, Blogreader.</p>
<p>Did he intend to kill JRH and XG? Im sure he didnt. </p>
<p>Did he recklessly wade, univited, unexpected, and armed to the teeth at 6am into a security compound? Yes. </p>
<p>Did his group then engage in a running firefight with FDTL guards in which (and we know not how) JRH was shot? Yes, clearly.</p>
<p>Did another section of his group then fire on the Prime Ministers car, forcing him to flee, as far as he knew, for his life? Yes.</p>
<p>I dunno about TL crim law, but in Au a dangerous act (eg firign guns) in the pursuit of a criminal purpose (eg kidnapping, armed assault) is still attempted murder by law.</p>
<p>I might add that not one single shred of evidence has been put forward for alternative theories. All we get is his uncle reckons this, his men (ie actual suspects) reckon that. Seriously.</p>
<p>As for Uncle Alves himself - let me tell me something of him. He killed a Liurai, a big man on Atauro Island in 99, in front of 50 witnesses. Then came up with a famous cock and bull story about how how his gun spun through the air and went off accidentally. then he claimed the guy was militia, which he wasnt. Farcical court case ensued, bla bla, he got off. </p>
<p>I wouldnt believe a word he said.</p>
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		<description>The Reinado explanation is starting to look at bit weak.
A few more quotes,
"Alfredo Reinado, ... in a propaganda DVD ..... called East Timor's Prime Minister a liar and a "child" and warned him to "be careful"."
(Notice he didn't say anything about JRH, the one he or his gang are said to have shot.)
"Reinado accused Mr Gusmao of being the architect of the 2006 crisis...
Mr Alves maintains his son went to Dili to meet Mr Ramos Horta, not to kill him.
"It was just like he was invited down," Mr Alves said. "He came down to resolve things. I'm 100 per cent sure he didn't go to kill the President."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23237835-25837,00.html

The Prosecutor-General cast doubt on whether Reinado went to Mr Ramos Horta's villa with the intention of killing the President. He agreed he was looking into the possibility that Reinado might have been set up to pay his early morning visit on the basis of false information he had been given by his civilian supporters.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23237835-25837,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Reinado explanation is starting to look at bit weak.<br />
A few more quotes,<br />
&#8220;Alfredo Reinado, &#8230; in a propaganda DVD &#8230;.. called East Timor&#8217;s Prime Minister a liar and a &#8220;child&#8221; and warned him to &#8220;be careful&#8221;.&#8221;<br />
(Notice he didn&#8217;t say anything about JRH, the one he or his gang are said to have shot.)<br />
&#8220;Reinado accused Mr Gusmao of being the architect of the 2006 crisis&#8230;<br />
Mr Alves maintains his son went to Dili to meet Mr Ramos Horta, not to kill him.<br />
&#8220;It was just like he was invited down,&#8221; Mr Alves said. &#8220;He came down to resolve things. I&#8217;m 100 per cent sure he didn&#8217;t go to kill the President.&#8221;<br />
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<p>The Prosecutor-General cast doubt on whether Reinado went to Mr Ramos Horta&#8217;s villa with the intention of killing the President. He agreed he was looking into the possibility that Reinado might have been set up to pay his early morning visit on the basis of false information he had been given by his civilian supporters.<br />
<a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23237835-25837,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23237835-25837,00.html</a></p>
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