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	<title>Comments on: A linked list &#8211; the 2020 participants Googled!</title>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-458794</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>prof. possingham: many of us who love nature were very glad to see that you were invited... not many other biodiversity boosters were present... good on  you for trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prof. possingham: many of us who love nature were very glad to see that you were invited&#8230; not many other biodiversity boosters were present&#8230; good on  you for trying.</p>
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		<title>By: The Feral Abacus</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-458739</link>
		<dc:creator>The Feral Abacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh - what exactly did you aim to achieve?  What were your major ideas that won&#039;t be apparent to anyone reading the report? 

And allow me one climate change question: among the &#039;ambitions&#039; in the initial report was &lt;blockquote&gt; Australia&#039;s... ecosystems &amp; species are managed to reduce threats and build resilience to promote adaptation to climate change&lt;/blockquote&gt;  What&#039;s your view on the notion that organisms and ecosystems can &#039;adapt&#039; to substantial abiotic change over relatively short timeframes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh &#8211; what exactly did you aim to achieve?  What were your major ideas that won&#8217;t be apparent to anyone reading the report? </p>
<p>And allow me one climate change question: among the &#8216;ambitions&#8217; in the initial report was<br />
<blockquote> Australia&#8217;s&#8230; ecosystems &amp; species are managed to reduce threats and build resilience to promote adaptation to climate change</p></blockquote>
<p>  What&#8217;s your view on the notion that organisms and ecosystems can &#8216;adapt&#8217; to substantial abiotic change over relatively short timeframes?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Possingham</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-458718</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh Possingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How I failed at 2020.

Given this great opportunity I admit that I failed to achieve much at 2020.  It was virtually impossible to talk about anything but climate change or water in our sessions - so the really long term issues like biodiversity and soil barely got a mention.  When did climate change become the only important environmental issue?

As for tying the writers/reporters down to specific quantifiable objectives, and actions that address those objectives - impossible - they didnt want a bar of it.  I spat the dummy near the end and that didnt even work.  Most of our recommendations ended up being about process and planning to other groups to have meetings and develop plans.  If influencing beaurocrats and politicians is a skill, I don&#039;t have it.  I apologise to anyone who cares about nature.

One very good recommendation to emerge was a call for credible, popular and independent national environmental accounts/metrics.  At least if we count some important things for a while, and we can deliver that to the public in a meaningful and engaging way, the nation may get a better handle on some of the big environmental issues, like extinctions, and want to do something serious about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How I failed at 2020.</p>
<p>Given this great opportunity I admit that I failed to achieve much at 2020.  It was virtually impossible to talk about anything but climate change or water in our sessions &#8211; so the really long term issues like biodiversity and soil barely got a mention.  When did climate change become the only important environmental issue?</p>
<p>As for tying the writers/reporters down to specific quantifiable objectives, and actions that address those objectives &#8211; impossible &#8211; they didnt want a bar of it.  I spat the dummy near the end and that didnt even work.  Most of our recommendations ended up being about process and planning to other groups to have meetings and develop plans.  If influencing beaurocrats and politicians is a skill, I don&#8217;t have it.  I apologise to anyone who cares about nature.</p>
<p>One very good recommendation to emerge was a call for credible, popular and independent national environmental accounts/metrics.  At least if we count some important things for a while, and we can deliver that to the public in a meaningful and engaging way, the nation may get a better handle on some of the big environmental issues, like extinctions, and want to do something serious about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiros</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-458390</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Georgina Boon isn’t Googleable except to confirm that she is indeed Tasmanian&quot;

A Boon from Tasmania? She must be related to David Boon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Georgina Boon isn’t Googleable except to confirm that she is indeed Tasmanian&#8221;</p>
<p>A Boon from Tasmania? She must be related to David Boon!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Oliphant</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-458382</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Oliphant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monica Oliphant is Mark&#039;s daughter-in-law.  Monica is also a Physicist and has been involved in alternate energy (in particular solar) since the early 70&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monica Oliphant is Mark&#8217;s daughter-in-law.  Monica is also a Physicist and has been involved in alternate energy (in particular solar) since the early 70&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Zippyfish</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-457105</link>
		<dc:creator>Zippyfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not &#039;Russell Ronald&#039;. It is &#039;Russell Ronald CAPLAN&#039;. The chairman of Shell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not &#8216;Russell Ronald&#8217;. It is &#8216;Russell Ronald CAPLAN&#8217;. The chairman of Shell!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452705</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the list of &quot;Creative Australia&quot; summitteers:

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/02/guest-post-by-ben-eltham-annotating-the-creative-australia-2020-summitteers/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the list of &#8220;Creative Australia&#8221; summitteers:</p>
<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/02/guest-post-by-ben-eltham-annotating-the-creative-australia-2020-summitteers/" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/02/guest-post-by-ben-eltham-annotating-the-creative-australia-2020-summitteers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452703</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;d get more traffic than this one, Nabs.

AFL, Lolcats - SEO dream!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;d get more traffic than this one, Nabs.</p>
<p>AFL, Lolcats &#8211; SEO dream!</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452700</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And what pray tell would be wrong with that?&quot;

OK, you trying a group blog where the only topics are &quot;look at my kute kid, kat and krap team&quot;.

Hmm..now I think about it...as you were. Please disregard my last few comments. The world is not ready for AFL lolcats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And what pray tell would be wrong with that?&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, you trying a group blog where the only topics are &#8220;look at my kute kid, kat and krap team&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hmm..now I think about it&#8230;as you were. Please disregard my last few comments. The world is not ready for AFL lolcats.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452694</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Some of us have been keeping our heads down and forming our own views.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Glad to hear it, PC. I&#039;ve been bobbing up here and there as an enthusiastic cheer-leader for the weekend-fest - but have been met with the type of derision usually reserved for the teacher&#039;s pet.

(Actually I was a bit of a teacher&#039;s pet come to think of it.) Anyway, I&#039;m still excited by 2020. Wierd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Some of us have been keeping our heads down and forming our own views.</p></blockquote>
<p>Glad to hear it, PC. I&#8217;ve been bobbing up here and there as an enthusiastic cheer-leader for the weekend-fest &#8211; but have been met with the type of derision usually reserved for the teacher&#8217;s pet.</p>
<p>(Actually I was a bit of a teacher&#8217;s pet come to think of it.) Anyway, I&#8217;m still excited by 2020. Wierd?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452693</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what pray tell would be wrong with that?

Kitty? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what pray tell would be wrong with that?</p>
<p>Kitty? <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452687</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wbb, if the blogosphere ignored everything that could be possibly be described as a &quot;wankfest&quot;, then we&#039;d only be left commenting on cat and kid photos and failing footy teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wbb, if the blogosphere ignored everything that could be possibly be described as a &#8220;wankfest&#8221;, then we&#8217;d only be left commenting on cat and kid photos and failing footy teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452685</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought we all agreed that 2020 was a “wankfest”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Only those of you who have been repeatedly saying it&#039;s a wankfest. Some of us have been keeping our heads down and forming our own views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I thought we all agreed that 2020 was a “wankfest”?</p></blockquote>
<p>Only those of you who have been repeatedly saying it&#8217;s a wankfest. Some of us have been keeping our heads down and forming our own views.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452683</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Mark, more time always helps. I&#039;d like to see this type of thing happen again. So am happy to get this one under the belt as a first cut.

2020 website is hopeless and appreciate Merkel&#039;s research. Started doing it myself the other day. Got up to the third name and then remembered that I only really have about 90 minutes per day to myself and that this was not going to be all that quick.

Surely the papers will do it in time.

Would love for them to webcast the sessions - but suspect they are not up to the task this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Mark, more time always helps. I&#8217;d like to see this type of thing happen again. So am happy to get this one under the belt as a first cut.</p>
<p>2020 website is hopeless and appreciate Merkel&#8217;s research. Started doing it myself the other day. Got up to the third name and then remembered that I only really have about 90 minutes per day to myself and that this was not going to be all that quick.</p>
<p>Surely the papers will do it in time.</p>
<p>Would love for them to webcast the sessions &#8211; but suspect they are not up to the task this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452679</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, wbb, I&#039;m trying really hard to wish it success. Not my fault if they seem determined to freak it up.

This thing really needed about a year&#039;s lead up, to be honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, wbb, I&#8217;m trying really hard to wish it success. Not my fault if they seem determined to freak it up.</p>
<p>This thing really needed about a year&#8217;s lead up, to be honest.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452678</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought we all agreed that 2020 was a &quot;wankfest&quot;? What&#039;s it matter who attends?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought we all agreed that 2020 was a &#8220;wankfest&#8221;? What&#8217;s it matter who attends?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452672</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, the next exciting instalment of &quot;the 2020 summit participants annotated&quot; hits this here website at 12.00 am Brisbane time. Ben Eltham parses the &quot;Creative Australia&quot; crew. We&#039;re very happy to bring this information out into the public domain, but just a tad justified in our cynicism about the whole thing that we&#039;re doing the unpaid labour the Department of PMC can&#039;t be bothered doing to inform all of Oz about who the &quot;best and brightest&quot; might be - beyond Hugh Jackman and Claudia Karvan of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, the next exciting instalment of &#8220;the 2020 summit participants annotated&#8221; hits this here website at 12.00 am Brisbane time. Ben Eltham parses the &#8220;Creative Australia&#8221; crew. We&#8217;re very happy to bring this information out into the public domain, but just a tad justified in our cynicism about the whole thing that we&#8217;re doing the unpaid labour the Department of PMC can&#8217;t be bothered doing to inform all of Oz about who the &#8220;best and brightest&#8221; might be &#8211; beyond Hugh Jackman and Claudia Karvan of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452671</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Bernie Salt&#039;s never read a novel, how does he know they&#039;re not good for the balance of his finely tuned mind? You can&#039;t be that bloody smart if you sweepingly dismiss something you&#039;ve never tried. Usual disclaimers apply for incest, folk dancing and carnal knowledge of Wayne Carey.

I&#039;ve dealt with George Pappas a few times over the years and my take on him is that he&#039;s an excellent and razor sharp organiser of other people&#039;s ideas. Which sounds like what this whole summit schmear desperately needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bernie Salt&#8217;s never read a novel, how does he know they&#8217;re not good for the balance of his finely tuned mind? You can&#8217;t be that bloody smart if you sweepingly dismiss something you&#8217;ve never tried. Usual disclaimers apply for incest, folk dancing and carnal knowledge of Wayne Carey.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve dealt with George Pappas a few times over the years and my take on him is that he&#8217;s an excellent and razor sharp organiser of other people&#8217;s ideas. Which sounds like what this whole summit schmear desperately needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452651</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ros Kelly, forever the Minister for Whiteboards. Deservedly so. Gave portk-barrelling a bad name. Demonstrated that it&#039;s not achieved solely by the Country Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ros Kelly, forever the Minister for Whiteboards. Deservedly so. Gave portk-barrelling a bad name. Demonstrated that it&#8217;s not achieved solely by the Country Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/a-linked-list-the-2020-participants-googled/comment-page-2/#comment-452580</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UNSW is a Go8 uni. Besides, scanning through the list of attendees I see Ballarat, JCU, Griffith, CDU, Wollongong, CSU, Newcastle all mentioned, so it would seem that an effort has been made for diversity here too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNSW is a Go8 uni. Besides, scanning through the list of attendees I see Ballarat, JCU, Griffith, CDU, Wollongong, CSU, Newcastle all mentioned, so it would seem that an effort has been made for diversity here too.</p>
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