Comments on: Who’s counting? http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:32:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: swio http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452230 swio Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:54:15 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452230 We're just doing what we can to help by lowering expectations. We’re just doing what we can to help by lowering expectations.

]]> By: Zarquon http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452140 Zarquon Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:20:04 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452140 There's a snark quota to bet met at the summit, people are just getting in early. There’s a snark quota to bet met at the summit, people are just getting in early.

]]> By: laura http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452135 laura Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:47:30 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452135 Is there a problem with just waiting and seeing? Is there a problem with just waiting and seeing?

]]> By: Adrien http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452128 Adrien Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:06:45 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452128 The most accurate portrayal of Australian intellectual life ever. The most accurate portrayal of Australian intellectual life ever.

]]> By: Tony Healy http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452126 Tony Healy Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:04:05 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452126 Monty Python was onto this summit a long time ago. <blockquote>Now, Bruce teaches classical philosophy, Bruce teaches Haegelian philosophy, and Bruce here teaches logical positivism, and is also in charge of the sheepdip. Third Bruce: What's does new Bruce teach? Fourth Bruce: New Bruce will be teaching political science - Machiavelli, Bentham, Locke, Hobbes, Sutcliffe, Bradman, Lindwall, Miller, Hassett, and Benet. Second Bruce: Those are cricketers, Bruce!</blockquote> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqgnExSiS0s" rel="nofollow">Youtube clip</a> Monty Python was onto this summit a long time ago.

Now, Bruce teaches classical philosophy, Bruce teaches Haegelian philosophy, and Bruce here teaches logical positivism, and is also in charge of the sheepdip.
Third Bruce: What’s does new Bruce teach?
Fourth Bruce: New Bruce will be teaching political science - Machiavelli, Bentham, Locke, Hobbes, Sutcliffe, Bradman, Lindwall, Miller, Hassett, and Benet.
Second Bruce: Those are cricketers, Bruce!

Youtube clip

]]> By: Adrien http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452116 Adrien Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:21:21 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452116 He doesn't. He's got a wonderful speaking voice. I think he'll be a most eloquent advocate for Steve Bracks in the most ridiculous hair category. I do think the Bracks/Kennett contest is sexist tho'. Bronwyn Bishop should've been a contender as well. > I am looking forward to Kevvie foreign policy speech: "China's Ass Smells Just As Good As America's" He doesn’t. He’s got a wonderful speaking voice. I think he’ll be a most eloquent advocate for Steve Bracks in the most ridiculous hair category. I do think the Bracks/Kennett contest is sexist tho’. Bronwyn Bishop should’ve been a contender as well.
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I am looking forward to Kevvie foreign policy speech: “China’s Ass Smells Just As Good As America’s”

]]> By: swio http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452112 swio Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:12:08 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452112 Well Bob Carr is on the "Future Directions for the Australian Economy" summit. Looking at the state of NSW I can't work out what he has done that suggests he has <i>good</i> ideas to contribute. Well Bob Carr is on the “Future Directions for the Australian Economy” summit. Looking at the state of NSW I can’t work out what he has done that suggests he has good ideas to contribute.

]]> By: Adrien http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452109 Adrien Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:52:13 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452109 Sorry Kennett's got a point. What the fuck is Joan Kirner doing there? I think Jeff and Steve Bracks should be there however. And then people can vote on them. > Steve, Jeff. Which was the one that did the most..... > Which one did the most to promote Ridiculous Hair. > It's a tough choice but I think I'll go with Jeff. > And Morris Iemma should be there as well. This event needs a piñata. Sorry Kennett’s got a point. What the fuck is Joan Kirner doing there? I think Jeff and Steve Bracks should be there however. And then people can vote on them.
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Steve, Jeff. Which was the one that did the most…..
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Which one did the most to promote Ridiculous Hair.
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It’s a tough choice but I think I’ll go with Jeff.
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And Morris Iemma should be there as well. This event needs a piñata.

]]> By: Ambigulous http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452079 Ambigulous Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:10:29 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452079 Adrien, for no pay indeed! But lotsa photo opps. Weekend story said Public Servants are not (yet) volunteering in droves to assist at the KevFest for no pay! Silly duffers. Now here's a quote from Mr Jeff Kennett, in last Saturday's "Age": [Former Premier Jeff Kennett, who didn't apply to go and wasn't asked, said Mrs Kirner was only Premier for a brief time] "so I can only assume she was asked for other reasons than her premiership. Steve Bracks was there for a long time but did nothing....." Jeff, maaaaate! 1. Yes plenty of other reasons for Joan: "Emily's list", haeding school support organisations before parliament. 2. Steve was not only elected Premier by a whisker - ummmm can you recall that election Jeff?? - but was then re-elected TWICE. Your colleagues failed to unseat him TWICE, Jeffrey. 3. The Victorian voters must have had some reasons for 2., Jeff. Did they value the quieter, less frenetic Jeffless state? Did they prefer a Premier who didn't gag his Ministers during election campaigns? what's that they say about blokes who can't learn from history? cheerio Adrien, for no pay indeed! But lotsa photo opps.

Weekend story said Public Servants are not (yet) volunteering in droves to assist at the KevFest for no pay! Silly duffers.

Now here’s a quote from Mr Jeff Kennett, in last Saturday’s “Age”:
[Former Premier Jeff Kennett, who didn’t apply to go and wasn’t asked, said Mrs Kirner was only Premier for a brief time] “so I can only assume she was asked for other reasons than her premiership. Steve Bracks was there for a long time but did nothing…..”

Jeff, maaaaate!

1. Yes plenty of other reasons for Joan: “Emily’s list”, haeding school support organisations before parliament.
2. Steve was not only elected Premier by a whisker - ummmm can you recall that election Jeff?? - but was then re-elected TWICE. Your colleagues failed to unseat him TWICE, Jeffrey.
3. The Victorian voters must have had some reasons for 2., Jeff. Did they value the quieter, less frenetic Jeffless state? Did they prefer a Premier who didn’t gag his Ministers during election campaigns?

what’s that they say about blokes who can’t learn from history?

cheerio

]]> By: Adrien http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452074 Adrien Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:58:02 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452074 <blockquote>Many of these brightest may be many-ideas types. You know, a bit like the very versatile on LP: simply brimming over with good ideas. </blockquote> Yes and considering that good ideas are basis for muchous mullah $$$$ in this Digital Economy I'm sure we can count on these people coughing up heaps of good ideas at the Jabberfest for absolutely nothing. > They love their country. :)

Many of these brightest may be many-ideas types. You know, a bit like the very versatile on LP: simply brimming over with good ideas.

Yes and considering that good ideas are basis for muchous mullah $$$$ in this Digital Economy I’m sure we can count on these people coughing up heaps of good ideas at the Jabberfest for absolutely nothing.
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They love their country. :)

]]> By: Adrien http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452073 Adrien Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:55:14 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452073 <blockquote> If we know anything at all about innovation, we know it doesn’t come from mass meetings.</blockquote> Look mate that the most un-'Strayin thing I've heard anyone ever say. What are ya? If this country means anything it means that masses and masses of blokes (and some sheilas) are the way to go. If youse wannabe an innivitual 'r somefink why doncha move to Nowf K'reea. > Oy oy oy. Now what could be more innufatif 'n that?

If we know anything at all about innovation, we know it doesn’t come from mass meetings.

Look mate that the most un-’Strayin thing I’ve heard anyone ever say. What are ya? If this country means anything it means that masses and masses of blokes (and some sheilas) are the way to go. If youse wannabe an innivitual ‘r somefink why doncha move to Nowf K’reea.
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Oy oy oy. Now what could be more innufatif ‘n that?

]]> By: Robert Merkel http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452072 Robert Merkel Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:53:04 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452072 By the way, I don't have a problem with taking the obvious angle. Coming up later tonight, an annotated list of all the news that's fit to Google on the delegates to the sustainability sub-summit... By the way, I don’t have a problem with taking the obvious angle. Coming up later tonight, an annotated list of all the news that’s fit to Google on the delegates to the sustainability sub-summit…

]]> By: Ken Lovell http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452070 Ken Lovell Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:49:24 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452070 I see now that not only is there going to be a special Jewish 2020 but Kev's having one tonight for expatriates in Washington. Will this be a hallmark of the Rudd prime ministership? Everywhere he goes, groups of thinkers will be invited to gather and submit ideas. I wonder if he has a special idea capture device like the one they used in 'Ghostbusters'. Just as Howard was identified by his tracksuit, Rudd will forever be associated with the whiteboard and the Ishikawa diagram. Seriously, why don't they at least use a Delphi technique or some other slightly useful methodology instead of this 'put 'em all in a room and see what happens' nonsense? If we know anything at all about innovation, we know it doesn't come from mass meetings. I know a company that used to have a program about the future called '101 Great Ideas' ... they went broke. I see now that not only is there going to be a special Jewish 2020 but Kev’s having one tonight for expatriates in Washington. Will this be a hallmark of the Rudd prime ministership? Everywhere he goes, groups of thinkers will be invited to gather and submit ideas. I wonder if he has a special idea capture device like the one they used in ‘Ghostbusters’. Just as Howard was identified by his tracksuit, Rudd will forever be associated with the whiteboard and the Ishikawa diagram.

Seriously, why don’t they at least use a Delphi technique or some other slightly useful methodology instead of this ‘put ‘em all in a room and see what happens’ nonsense? If we know anything at all about innovation, we know it doesn’t come from mass meetings.

I know a company that used to have a program about the future called ‘101 Great Ideas’ … they went broke.

]]> By: Adrien http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452069 Adrien Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:47:34 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452069 Kevvie just doing some healing. After all those years of Johnnie Boy saying the elites were out of touch with the average Aussie bloke (and of course 99% of the country are average Aussie blokes) Kevvie saying: come back <i>we</i> love you. It's important there are physics professors who're crying in their morning coffee over this. The PM doesn't love me! And so many broken-hearted performance artists. > The new politico-cultural spectrum - the Libs are the Party of Joe Sixpack and the ALP are the Party of the Elite. Very innerestin'. Meaningless but innerestin'. Kevvie just doing some healing. After all those years of Johnnie Boy saying the elites were out of touch with the average Aussie bloke (and of course 99% of the country are average Aussie blokes) Kevvie saying: come back we love you. It’s important there are physics professors who’re crying in their morning coffee over this. The PM doesn’t love me! And so many broken-hearted performance artists.
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The new politico-cultural spectrum - the Libs are the Party of Joe Sixpack and the ALP are the Party of the Elite. Very innerestin’. Meaningless but innerestin’.

]]> By: Ambigulous http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452068 Ambigulous Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:43:08 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452068 Tony Healy :-) It will be most diverting to watch as it plays out: months of entertainment to be had. Mark, if I may be Peter Pedant for a moment, "1000 ideas" may be an underestimate. Many of these brightest may be many-ideas types. You know, a bit like the very versatile on LP: simply brimming over with good ideas. Even if they are only allowed to talk about the idea(s) they brought to their particular session...... more ideas than you could poke a stick at. Tony Healy :-)
It will be most diverting to watch as it plays out: months of entertainment to be had.

Mark, if I may be Peter Pedant for a moment, “1000 ideas” may be an underestimate. Many of these brightest may be many-ideas types. You know, a bit like the very versatile on LP: simply brimming over with good ideas.

Even if they are only allowed to talk about the idea(s) they brought to their particular session…… more ideas than you could poke a stick at.

]]> By: Dr S http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452065 Dr S Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:37:40 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452065 What I really want to know is whether Glyn's payment includes alterations to the HECS legislation, thereby providing an unexpected soft landing for the high dive into a sponge that is the Melbourne Model. That the 2020 has a chairperson of such myopic foresight as to implement a two stage under-graduate degree without securing governmental support for the second stage does not bode well. Always comes across as a nice man, Professor Davis, can't count but a nice man. What I really want to know is whether Glyn’s payment includes alterations to the HECS legislation, thereby providing an unexpected soft landing for the high dive into a sponge that is the Melbourne Model. That the 2020 has a chairperson of such myopic foresight as to implement a two stage under-graduate degree without securing governmental support for the second stage does not bode well.

Always comes across as a nice man, Professor Davis, can’t count but a nice man.

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452062 Mark Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:29:24 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452062 I may well not have been, but I could obviously ensure non-attendance by not nominating! I may well not have been, but I could obviously ensure non-attendance by not nominating!

]]> By: Spiros http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452061 Spiros Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:28:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452061 "I should mention that I had the chance to nominate for the thing but passed up on it" How do you know you have been chosen if you had nominated? Hmmm? “I should mention that I had the chance to nominate for the thing but passed up on it”

How do you know you have been chosen if you had nominated? Hmmm?

]]> By: Tony Healy http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452060 Tony Healy Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:16:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452060 Actually, I've managed to obtain an advance copy of the resolutions from the 2020 summit. Just reading from the top, they go: 1. This gathering affirms that the assembled delegates represent the best and brightest of Australia. (Passed with 956 votes.) 2. This gathering affirms that universities such as Melbourne represent the best of Australia's intellectual endeavour and are deserving of whatever public funding is necessary to achieve a standing comparable with the world's best universities. (Passed with 788 votes, 1 abstention by Glyn Davis.) 3. This gathering agrees not to hassle Kev baby or any of his Ministers for the next 18 months without first seeking dialogue with the Liaison Office for Privileged Elites in the PM's office. 4. There is no Rule 4. Actually, I’ve managed to obtain an advance copy of the resolutions from the 2020 summit. Just reading from the top, they go:

1. This gathering affirms that the assembled delegates represent the best and brightest of Australia. (Passed with 956 votes.)

2. This gathering affirms that universities such as Melbourne represent the best of Australia’s intellectual endeavour and are deserving of whatever public funding is necessary to achieve a standing comparable with the world’s best universities. (Passed with 788 votes, 1 abstention by Glyn Davis.)

3. This gathering agrees not to hassle Kev baby or any of his Ministers for the next 18 months without first seeking dialogue with the Liaison Office for Privileged Elites in the PM’s office.

4. There is no Rule 4.

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452059 Mark Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:12:51 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/03/31/whos-counting/#comment-452059 <blockquote>Rudd’s government might have a real PR problem if alot of those second tier participants come away from this feeling that it was a waste of their time because they were never really allowed to contribute.</blockquote> Not to mention the 6000+ who applied and didn't get a guernsey! If disclosures are in order, I should mention that I had the chance to nominate for the thing but passed up on it. Someone (other than Andrew Bolt) has to be on the outside looking in!

Rudd’s government might have a real PR problem if alot of those second tier participants come away from this feeling that it was a waste of their time because they were never really allowed to contribute.

Not to mention the 6000+ who applied and didn’t get a guernsey!

If disclosures are in order, I should mention that I had the chance to nominate for the thing but passed up on it. Someone (other than Andrew Bolt) has to be on the outside looking in!

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