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	<title>Comments on: Settle a stumper and placate a pedant</title>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455696</link>
		<dc:creator>jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, poor old nosey bob - the hard done by hangman of bondi!

apologies for the bio - straight from the waverley library local figures of interest page, probably typed up from the 1971 booklet of same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, poor old nosey bob - the hard done by hangman of bondi!</p>
<p>apologies for the bio - straight from the waverley library local figures of interest page, probably typed up from the 1971 booklet of same.</p>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455689</link>
		<dc:creator>jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>should read - finished drinking. 

and maybe a good time to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>should read - finished drinking. </p>
<p>and maybe a good time to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455687</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's interesting - the hangman as scapegoat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting - the hangman as scapegoat.</p>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455685</link>
		<dc:creator>jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thread Tigs.

My father told this tale of 'Nosey Bob', the hangman who lived at Bondi, apparently, the pub/publican would smash the glass he drank from, after he had finishing drinking for the night. 

But I just googled him up, and he died in 1906, sixteen years before my father was born in Bondi, so possibly the story was passed locally. 

Anyway, found a small bio on Nosey Bob, and he is buried across the road with his wife - I'll have a look-see for his grave, and take a photo for my cemetery blog. :) 

"For many years Robert Howard was a hardworking operator of a hansom cab. He had an extensive clientele in the Darling Point neighbourhood, as well as Government House, and was coachman to the Duke of Edinburgh during his Australian visit in the 1860s. In his young days, Howard was tall, lithe and good-looking, but disaster came upon him. He was viciously kicked in the face by one of his horses and his nose was destroyed. Thereafter, he was nicknamed "Nosey Bob" and shunned by the society trade. 

Unemployed, Howard finally accepted the unwanted post of state hangman in 1876 and during his 29 year career he boasted that every one of his 66 executions was carried out with the utmost dispatch and decorum. Socially, Robert Howard was a very decent fellow and could be relied upon to assist any deserving case of a discharged prisoner or a prisoner's family in distress, earning him yet another nickname, "the Gentleman Hangman". He lived a lonely life in a cottage on Bondi Beach; died in 1906; and is buried with his wife, Jane, in Waverley Cemetery."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thread Tigs.</p>
<p>My father told this tale of &#8216;Nosey Bob&#8217;, the hangman who lived at Bondi, apparently, the pub/publican would smash the glass he drank from, after he had finishing drinking for the night. </p>
<p>But I just googled him up, and he died in 1906, sixteen years before my father was born in Bondi, so possibly the story was passed locally. </p>
<p>Anyway, found a small bio on Nosey Bob, and he is buried across the road with his wife - I&#8217;ll have a look-see for his grave, and take a photo for my cemetery blog. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;For many years Robert Howard was a hardworking operator of a hansom cab. He had an extensive clientele in the Darling Point neighbourhood, as well as Government House, and was coachman to the Duke of Edinburgh during his Australian visit in the 1860s. In his young days, Howard was tall, lithe and good-looking, but disaster came upon him. He was viciously kicked in the face by one of his horses and his nose was destroyed. Thereafter, he was nicknamed &#8220;Nosey Bob&#8221; and shunned by the society trade. </p>
<p>Unemployed, Howard finally accepted the unwanted post of state hangman in 1876 and during his 29 year career he boasted that every one of his 66 executions was carried out with the utmost dispatch and decorum. Socially, Robert Howard was a very decent fellow and could be relied upon to assist any deserving case of a discharged prisoner or a prisoner&#8217;s family in distress, earning him yet another nickname, &#8220;the Gentleman Hangman&#8221;. He lived a lonely life in a cottage on Bondi Beach; died in 1906; and is buried with his wife, Jane, in Waverley Cemetery.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455673</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Andrew, but it's a bit odd that it slipped into the British common law tradition - given that at least in theory, Jews were expelled from England in 1290.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Andrew, but it&#8217;s a bit odd that it slipped into the British common law tradition - given that at least in theory, Jews were expelled from England in 1290.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455651</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark@25, Mindy@29: I think this tradition comes from Judaism. Jews wear the yarmulke to constantly remind them of God. For judges (even non-Jewish ones) to do something similar under such circumstances suggest they are invoking divine assistance in their decision and the consequences that follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark@25, Mindy@29: I think this tradition comes from Judaism. Jews wear the yarmulke to constantly remind them of God. For judges (even non-Jewish ones) to do something similar under such circumstances suggest they are invoking divine assistance in their decision and the consequences that follow.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455506</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDB - I've had my lunch.  Now I want a cannibalism story before bedtime, explaining why raw human flesh doesn't taste like pork (assuming you've also tasted raw pork).  Is the "long pig" thing from New Guinea just an urban legend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDB - I&#8217;ve had my lunch.  Now I want a cannibalism story before bedtime, explaining why raw human flesh doesn&#8217;t taste like pork (assuming you&#8217;ve also tasted raw pork).  Is the &#8220;long pig&#8221; thing from New Guinea just an urban legend?</p>
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		<title>By: darin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455481</link>
		<dc:creator>darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455481</guid>
		<description>I think I may never look on the inernet again...

&lt;a href="http://www.headlesshistoricals.com/GalleryIndex.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I may never look on the inernet again&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.headlesshistoricals.com/GalleryIndex.htm" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455478</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455478</guid>
		<description>An alternative version of the death of Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury, has her placing her head on the block with dignity at first, and only jumping up and running after the inexperienced executioner's first blow hit her shoulder instead of her neck, quite possibly simply maddened with pain rather than consciously attempting to escape.  All accounts agree that she ended up being hacked to death on the green though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An alternative version of the death of Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury, has her placing her head on the block with dignity at first, and only jumping up and running after the inexperienced executioner&#8217;s first blow hit her shoulder instead of her neck, quite possibly simply maddened with pain rather than consciously attempting to escape.  All accounts agree that she ended up being hacked to death on the green though.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455460</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inddeed, darin. Not all of them died with dignity. Some of them were gibbering wrecks and had to be carried or dragged onto the scaffold, especially thieves. But some murderers and especially highwaymen tried to display a modicum of honour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inddeed, darin. Not all of them died with dignity. Some of them were gibbering wrecks and had to be carried or dragged onto the scaffold, especially thieves. But some murderers and especially highwaymen tried to display a modicum of honour.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455459</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455459</guid>
		<description>i like the story of sir walter raleigh, who strokes the blade and says, "a physick to cure any ill". Shortly thereafter he gets cured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the story of sir walter raleigh, who strokes the blade and says, &#8220;a physick to cure any ill&#8221;. Shortly thereafter he gets cured.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455457</link>
		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455457</guid>
		<description>RADIO ANNOUNCER: We now return to Part Nine of, "The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots."

EXECUTIONER: Are you Mary, Queen of Scots?
MARY: I am.

SFX: (endless violent scuffle, going on for the remaining twenty-two minutes)

RADIO ANNOUNCER: Tune in again next week for Part Ten of "The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots."  Here's a preview...

EXECUTIONER: I think she's dead.
MARY: No I'm not.

SFX: (resume endless scuffling)

That was from a Monty Python record, was it "Matching Tie and Handkerchief"?  One of them, anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RADIO ANNOUNCER: We now return to Part Nine of, &#8220;The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots.&#8221;</p>
<p>EXECUTIONER: Are you Mary, Queen of Scots?<br />
MARY: I am.</p>
<p>SFX: (endless violent scuffle, going on for the remaining twenty-two minutes)</p>
<p>RADIO ANNOUNCER: Tune in again next week for Part Ten of &#8220;The Death of Mary, Queen of Scots.&#8221;  Here&#8217;s a preview&#8230;</p>
<p>EXECUTIONER: I think she&#8217;s dead.<br />
MARY: No I&#8217;m not.</p>
<p>SFX: (resume endless scuffling)</p>
<p>That was from a Monty Python record, was it &#8220;Matching Tie and Handkerchief&#8221;?  One of them, anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: darin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455453</link>
		<dc:creator>darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, maybe mostly that is the way they died....
From the Tower of London site.

"In 1541, it was the turn of the 71-year-old Margaret, Countess of Salisbury, whose offence was being the last surviving member of the Plantagenet dynasty, overthrown by the Tudors. The Countess refused to place her head on the block, and had to be chased around the green by the executioner, who hacked her to death."
*note to self..stop looking up executions by axe instead of working"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, maybe mostly that is the way they died&#8230;.<br />
From the Tower of London site.</p>
<p>&#8220;In 1541, it was the turn of the 71-year-old Margaret, Countess of Salisbury, whose offence was being the last surviving member of the Plantagenet dynasty, overthrown by the Tudors. The Countess refused to place her head on the block, and had to be chased around the green by the executioner, who hacked her to death.&#8221;<br />
*note to self..stop looking up executions by axe instead of working&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455450</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Cont'd) Again something weird happened.
The story of the aristocratic Lord Ferrers in 1760 is instructive, perhaps even archetypal, despite his rank. He showed absolutely no fear on his way to Tyburn (in a coach!) and on the way there stopped to give several guineas to his housekeeper and mistress. On the scaffold, (in the midst of an unseemly fight between the hangman and assistant hangman as to who was entitled to the fee Ferrers gave them, which he had given by mistake to the assistant) Ferrers simply asked, 'Am I ready?' once the rope had been put round his neck. He was then despatched. The significance of this story is that many criminals, like Ferris, dressed in their best finery for execution, and attempted to display dignity on the scaffold, because this was the nature of the 18c criminal culture, regardless of class origins - it was how one died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Cont&#8217;d) Again something weird happened.<br />
The story of the aristocratic Lord Ferrers in 1760 is instructive, perhaps even archetypal, despite his rank. He showed absolutely no fear on his way to Tyburn (in a coach!) and on the way there stopped to give several guineas to his housekeeper and mistress. On the scaffold, (in the midst of an unseemly fight between the hangman and assistant hangman as to who was entitled to the fee Ferrers gave them, which he had given by mistake to the assistant) Ferrers simply asked, &#8216;Am I ready?&#8217; once the rope had been put round his neck. He was then despatched. The significance of this story is that many criminals, like Ferris, dressed in their best finery for execution, and attempted to display dignity on the scaffold, because this was the nature of the 18c criminal culture, regardless of class origins - it was how one died.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455446</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Rubie - not raw it doesn't!

I have an awful tale to tell, which casts at least &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; anecdotal light on the topic, but I'll leave it until we've all had our lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Rubie - not raw it doesn&#8217;t!</p>
<p>I have an awful tale to tell, which casts at least <i>some</i> anecdotal light on the topic, but I&#8217;ll leave it until we&#8217;ve all had our lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455443</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buccrabendinni @ 48,
The tradition of the hanged criminal's last words probably had its origins partly in the flash ballads recited/printed/circulated at public hangings at Tyburn Tree (near today's Marble Arch in London, from memory), and partly from trial and execution broadsheets which were particularly prevalent in the mid to later 18c. and again in the second quarter of the 19c. These rxecution broadsheets were very profitable for those selling them, they were in such popular demand. They frequently contained the crimminal's alleged dying speech, hence the tradition.Broadsheets about Jack Shepherd, thief and escapologist, are probably the best known examples.
Rhe story of the execution of the aristocratic murderer Lord Ferrers```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buccrabendinni @ 48,<br />
The tradition of the hanged criminal&#8217;s last words probably had its origins partly in the flash ballads recited/printed/circulated at public hangings at Tyburn Tree (near today&#8217;s Marble Arch in London, from memory), and partly from trial and execution broadsheets which were particularly prevalent in the mid to later 18c. and again in the second quarter of the 19c. These rxecution broadsheets were very profitable for those selling them, they were in such popular demand. They frequently contained the crimminal&#8217;s alleged dying speech, hence the tradition.Broadsheets about Jack Shepherd, thief and escapologist, are probably the best known examples.<br />
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455432</link>
		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara Tuchman in "A Distant Mirror" reports that in Northern Europe in the 14th century it was not unknown for town A to buy a condemned criminal from town B so that town B could stage an execution.

Such a transaction underlines the social value of capital punishment at that time.

Given this aspect of the profession of executioner, it would appear that they had a status somewhat above "pariah". Having paid for an execution, it would behove the executioner to do an appropriately entertaining, and/or educational job-of-work.

His performance would inevitably be judged by the criteria of tension, drama, moral appropriateness, and how long the performance was sustained.

Good performances would attract celebrity status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Tuchman in &#8220;A Distant Mirror&#8221; reports that in Northern Europe in the 14th century it was not unknown for town A to buy a condemned criminal from town B so that town B could stage an execution.</p>
<p>Such a transaction underlines the social value of capital punishment at that time.</p>
<p>Given this aspect of the profession of executioner, it would appear that they had a status somewhat above &#8220;pariah&#8221;. Having paid for an execution, it would behove the executioner to do an appropriately entertaining, and/or educational job-of-work.</p>
<p>His performance would inevitably be judged by the criteria of tension, drama, moral appropriateness, and how long the performance was sustained.</p>
<p>Good performances would attract celebrity status.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455425</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read yesterday that German executioners (didn't differentiate between hangmen and headsmen) had to wear yellow so that no one inadvertently mixed with them not realising who they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read yesterday that German executioners (didn&#8217;t differentiate between hangmen and headsmen) had to wear yellow so that no one inadvertently mixed with them not realising who they were.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455421</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katz, quite right about Mary of Scots and the red chemise, which is why I noted that the painting was a later rendition of the scene rather than contemporary, and thus the headsman's red costume in that painting can't be taken as reliable evidence.  I guess it does show that to a certain High Victorian sensibility, the idea of the headsman wearing red seemed proper.

Laura and I are on the same page about the practicality of leather in a profession involving blood: wipes right off.

Fascinating about the German hangmen, Brutus.  I wonder whether hangmen and headsmen executioners associated with each other or kept apart, and whether they dressed the same?  As beheading tended to be reserved for treasonous nobles and gentlefolk, with hanging the commoner's execution, perhaps there would have been some class stratification there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katz, quite right about Mary of Scots and the red chemise, which is why I noted that the painting was a later rendition of the scene rather than contemporary, and thus the headsman&#8217;s red costume in that painting can&#8217;t be taken as reliable evidence.  I guess it does show that to a certain High Victorian sensibility, the idea of the headsman wearing red seemed proper.</p>
<p>Laura and I are on the same page about the practicality of leather in a profession involving blood: wipes right off.</p>
<p>Fascinating about the German hangmen, Brutus.  I wonder whether hangmen and headsmen executioners associated with each other or kept apart, and whether they dressed the same?  As beheading tended to be reserved for treasonous nobles and gentlefolk, with hanging the commoner&#8217;s execution, perhaps there would have been some class stratification there.</p>
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		<title>By: darin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/09/settle-a-stumper-and-placate-a-pedant/#comment-455413</link>
		<dc:creator>darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember reading that Ann Boleyn's executioner was dressed in black and wore a mask. As he was a Frenchman imported for the occasion this may not have been normal. Google turns up a description, but nothing is referenced...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember reading that Ann Boleyn&#8217;s executioner was dressed in black and wore a mask. As he was a Frenchman imported for the occasion this may not have been normal. Google turns up a description, but nothing is referenced&#8230;</p>
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