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	<title>Comments on: Plastic Pete</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/</link>
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		<title>By: barfenzie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-459955</link>
		<dc:creator>barfenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-459955</guid>
		<description>He's tall, he's bald, he has a sweet voice and he's tooo nice for the bast'ds.  Gangly Peter is too lean and serene to kick as's in Canberra.  The point is if plastic bags go we'll need paper bags.  That means trees and forests, logging, paper mills. Millions and billions of paper bags. The cardboard boxes currently recycled by supermartkets will be used for shopping then thrown away.

Why can't we have fast bio-degradable plastic bags.  We were promised them decades ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s tall, he&#8217;s bald, he has a sweet voice and he&#8217;s tooo nice for the bast&#8217;ds.  Gangly Peter is too lean and serene to kick as&#8217;s in Canberra.  The point is if plastic bags go we&#8217;ll need paper bags.  That means trees and forests, logging, paper mills. Millions and billions of paper bags. The cardboard boxes currently recycled by supermartkets will be used for shopping then thrown away.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we have fast bio-degradable plastic bags.  We were promised them decades ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458934</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458934</guid>
		<description>"POUR ENCOURAGER LES AUTRES" - to encourage the others

Sideways from Marn Fersn to the delicious Pwue Goward, NSW MP. Last Friday, she was heard (on ABC radio in Victoria no less) berating the NSW Minister for not having a policy on plastic supermarket bags. The reporter challenged her to enunciate the NSW Opposition's policy.

"Oh we don't have one. But we don't have to, the Government should have a policy on this and should have advocated it [at the meeting with Pete]. Our job is to ENCOURAGE the Government."

Now this I thought was a rather neat sidestep. But it may also be (at last) a contribution to developing a non-macho politics, IMHO. Could it be that under Ms Goward, an Opposition might prefer to be constructive, to encourage and massage a flailing Government? To ease it's thought-burden. To come up with bright suggestions....? She didn't, but it sounded as if she jolly well wants to.

Go Pwue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;POUR ENCOURAGER LES AUTRES&#8221; - to encourage the others</p>
<p>Sideways from Marn Fersn to the delicious Pwue Goward, NSW MP. Last Friday, she was heard (on ABC radio in Victoria no less) berating the NSW Minister for not having a policy on plastic supermarket bags. The reporter challenged her to enunciate the NSW Opposition&#8217;s policy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh we don&#8217;t have one. But we don&#8217;t have to, the Government should have a policy on this and should have advocated it [at the meeting with Pete]. Our job is to ENCOURAGE the Government.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now this I thought was a rather neat sidestep. But it may also be (at last) a contribution to developing a non-macho politics, IMHO. Could it be that under Ms Goward, an Opposition might prefer to be constructive, to encourage and massage a flailing Government? To ease it&#8217;s thought-burden. To come up with bright suggestions&#8230;.? She didn&#8217;t, but it sounded as if she jolly well wants to.</p>
<p>Go Pwue!</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458171</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458171</guid>
		<description>Ban the small supermarket plastic bags and you will see a huge rise in the use of the large green and black industrial strength wheely bin bags. 

Jim Bendfeldt has the most obvious solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ban the small supermarket plastic bags and you will see a huge rise in the use of the large green and black industrial strength wheely bin bags. </p>
<p>Jim Bendfeldt has the most obvious solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458167</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458167</guid>
		<description>One of the reasons the Brits were persuaded to send convicts here in the first place was because of the hemp believed to be growing at Norfolk Island. Like the pines there the hemp turned out to be useless.
About 1968 some misguided hippies who somehow had got round to perusing Phillip's Instructions misinterpreted this piece of information, unaware that hemp was a major requirement of 18c British naval stores, and concluded one of the reasons for founding a convict colony at Botany Bay was to grow massive amounts of marijuana.
Just sayin'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons the Brits were persuaded to send convicts here in the first place was because of the hemp believed to be growing at Norfolk Island. Like the pines there the hemp turned out to be useless.<br />
About 1968 some misguided hippies who somehow had got round to perusing Phillip&#8217;s Instructions misinterpreted this piece of information, unaware that hemp was a major requirement of 18c British naval stores, and concluded one of the reasons for founding a convict colony at Botany Bay was to grow massive amounts of marijuana.<br />
Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458119</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458119</guid>
		<description>Actually - I reckon the best solution is the one taken. ie Do nothing. The so called problems of plastic bags are vastly overrated. Hysteria whipped up by the usual suspects, mainly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually - I reckon the best solution is the one taken. ie Do nothing. The so called problems of plastic bags are vastly overrated. Hysteria whipped up by the usual suspects, mainly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bendfeldt</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458111</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Bendfeldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458111</guid>
		<description>There is a simple, long-term solution for replacing the current plastic shopping bags and the polypropylene 'green bags' which are also difficult to degrade.

Primary industries Minister, Ian MacDonald recently announced that farmers will soon be able to grow 'legal' hemp for oil seed and other uses. He also said that the 'system could pave the way for new industries', see: http://www.abc.net.au/ra/news/stories/200804/s2211576.htm?tab=latest

Hemp makes an excellent paper that unlike the paper from wood pulp can be recycled many times over. Hemp paper is also very strong, having been used in the manufacture of bank notes in many countries.

Hemp fibre can also be used to make very strong yarns (hemp was used for rope for centuries) and a very tough linen-like fabric.

My suggestion is that Australia start manufacturing its own bags from hemp fabric and hemp paper. 

Shopping bags made of Hemp fabric could replace the present ‘green bags’ and would last for years and be fully biodegradable. 

Likewise supermarket bags made of hemp paper would be stronger than the present plastic ones, could be re-used by shoppers many times over, and when they finally reach the end of their life could be re-pulped to make 2nd generation hemp paper.

Are there any enterprising farmers and manufacturers around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a simple, long-term solution for replacing the current plastic shopping bags and the polypropylene &#8216;green bags&#8217; which are also difficult to degrade.</p>
<p>Primary industries Minister, Ian MacDonald recently announced that farmers will soon be able to grow &#8216;legal&#8217; hemp for oil seed and other uses. He also said that the &#8217;system could pave the way for new industries&#8217;, see: <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/ra/news/stories/200804/s2211576.htm?tab=latest" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/ra/news/stories/200804/s2211576.htm?tab=latest</a></p>
<p>Hemp makes an excellent paper that unlike the paper from wood pulp can be recycled many times over. Hemp paper is also very strong, having been used in the manufacture of bank notes in many countries.</p>
<p>Hemp fibre can also be used to make very strong yarns (hemp was used for rope for centuries) and a very tough linen-like fabric.</p>
<p>My suggestion is that Australia start manufacturing its own bags from hemp fabric and hemp paper. </p>
<p>Shopping bags made of Hemp fabric could replace the present ‘green bags’ and would last for years and be fully biodegradable. </p>
<p>Likewise supermarket bags made of hemp paper would be stronger than the present plastic ones, could be re-used by shoppers many times over, and when they finally reach the end of their life could be re-pulped to make 2nd generation hemp paper.</p>
<p>Are there any enterprising farmers and manufacturers around?</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458097</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliot Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458097</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Peter &lt;/strong&gt;says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;What if you don’t buy newspapers? I reckon a daily newspaper would do far more environmental damage than a nearly weightless plastic bag every second day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I cannot look at a Sydney Morning Herald without wincing at the thought of the other 211,990 to 355,750 (Audit Bureau of Circulation) copies trundling around on the backs of truck and in aeroplanes every single day!

And it's filled with utter crap about obscure pop groups, plugs for poncy restaurants, twaddle about third rate art galleries, inane film reviews, imported car guides, syndicated crap about overseas travel destinations you'd not visit even as a hostage, and mountains of classified ads that could just as easily go on-line.

Except I recently saw that computers are responsible for about 40% of the energy consumed by office equipment in the United States.

http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:vEyGXwNyPIMJ:www.greencampus.harvard.edu/cerp/documents/brochure_small.pdf+energy+consumed+by+computers&#38;hl=en&#38;ct=clnk&#38;cd=1&#38;gl=au</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Peter </strong>says:</p>
<blockquote><p>What if you don’t buy newspapers? I reckon a daily newspaper would do far more environmental damage than a nearly weightless plastic bag every second day.</p></blockquote>
<p>I cannot look at a Sydney Morning Herald without wincing at the thought of the other 211,990 to 355,750 (Audit Bureau of Circulation) copies trundling around on the backs of truck and in aeroplanes every single day!</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s filled with utter crap about obscure pop groups, plugs for poncy restaurants, twaddle about third rate art galleries, inane film reviews, imported car guides, syndicated crap about overseas travel destinations you&#8217;d not visit even as a hostage, and mountains of classified ads that could just as easily go on-line.</p>
<p>Except I recently saw that computers are responsible for about 40% of the energy consumed by office equipment in the United States.</p>
<p><a href="http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:vEyGXwNyPIMJ:www.greencampus.harvard.edu/cerp/documents/brochure_small.pdf+energy+consumed+by+computers&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=au" rel="nofollow">http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:vEyGXwNyPIMJ:www.greencampus.harvard.edu/cerp/documents/brochure_small.pdf+energy+consumed+by+computers&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=au</a></p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458094</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458094</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Everyone wants ’something done’ about climate change, but few are really willing to pay more or consume less - meanwhile the clamour about climate change is nothing compared to the public pressure about rising fuel prices.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;em&gt;People they ain't no good.
I think its well understood
You can see it everywhere you look
People just ain't no good.&lt;/em&gt;

I feel a certain compulsion to counter this by saying something 'sunny'.  But I can't think of anything.

Just ban the bloody things.  What harm could possibly come of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Everyone wants ’something done’ about climate change, but few are really willing to pay more or consume less - meanwhile the clamour about climate change is nothing compared to the public pressure about rising fuel prices.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>People they ain&#8217;t no good.<br />
I think its well understood<br />
You can see it everywhere you look<br />
People just ain&#8217;t no good.</em></p>
<p>I feel a certain compulsion to counter this by saying something &#8217;sunny&#8217;.  But I can&#8217;t think of anything.</p>
<p>Just ban the bloody things.  What harm could possibly come of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bismarck</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458087</link>
		<dc:creator>Bismarck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458087</guid>
		<description>"McLelland’s [sic] my number one pick to be chucked overboard at the first opportunity ... Promote Debus."

McClelland hasn't done much wrong, bearing in mind that a lot of what he has been dealing with had (and has) bipartisan support.  Much of the A-G's portfolio is process rather than policy and his big ticket items, like a Charter of Rights are still on the distant horizon.  As for Debus, my sources tell me that he has been a very unhappy camper and has been talking about resigning from the Ministry altogether.

Swan still doesn't look like he's in command. His stocks are not high in some important quarters. Latham's comments about Gillard scanning the press gallery when Swan's on his feet in question time are on the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;McLelland’s [sic] my number one pick to be chucked overboard at the first opportunity &#8230; Promote Debus.&#8221;</p>
<p>McClelland hasn&#8217;t done much wrong, bearing in mind that a lot of what he has been dealing with had (and has) bipartisan support.  Much of the A-G&#8217;s portfolio is process rather than policy and his big ticket items, like a Charter of Rights are still on the distant horizon.  As for Debus, my sources tell me that he has been a very unhappy camper and has been talking about resigning from the Ministry altogether.</p>
<p>Swan still doesn&#8217;t look like he&#8217;s in command. His stocks are not high in some important quarters. Latham&#8217;s comments about Gillard scanning the press gallery when Swan&#8217;s on his feet in question time are on the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458082</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458082</guid>
		<description>The Elephant Man wasn't in parliament during the terms of the Hawke and Keating governments.  He was a Miscellaneous Workers Union official who became an ACTU official and ultimately an ACTU President, and was a prominent member of that section of the ACTU leadership which believed that the relationship between the trade unions and the environmental movement should be as hostile as possible.  He was parachuted into the seat of Batman in 1996.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Elephant Man wasn&#8217;t in parliament during the terms of the Hawke and Keating governments.  He was a Miscellaneous Workers Union official who became an ACTU official and ultimately an ACTU President, and was a prominent member of that section of the ACTU leadership which believed that the relationship between the trade unions and the environmental movement should be as hostile as possible.  He was parachuted into the seat of Batman in 1996.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458077</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458077</guid>
		<description>Eliot, I may be misremembering, but I don't think either Hawke or Keating trusted Marn Fersn with anything important. I hope Rudd realises sooner rather than later that he shouldn't either. The man's a fool, and hence belongs with the Libs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliot, I may be misremembering, but I don&#8217;t think either Hawke or Keating trusted Marn Fersn with anything important. I hope Rudd realises sooner rather than later that he shouldn&#8217;t either. The man&#8217;s a fool, and hence belongs with the Libs.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458058</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458058</guid>
		<description>Paul Burns said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;And even more people who use them to get rid of their kitchen garbage who would consider ouyr grandparents’ practice of wrapping up kirchen rubbish in newspaers irksome. Not hat I have any sympathy for them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What if you don't buy newspapers? I reckon a daily newspaper would do far more environmental damage than a nearly weightless plastic bag every second day. It wouldn't surprise me if the just the fuel used to deliver the paper was greater than that to create the bag.
Perhaps there should be subsidy to get everyone to put in an 'insinkerator' or whatever they are called. This would get rid of most of the smelly stuff. A subsidized garbage compactor in every house would compress the rest down to a very small size thus requiring fewer bags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Burns said:</p>
<blockquote><p>And even more people who use them to get rid of their kitchen garbage who would consider ouyr grandparents’ practice of wrapping up kirchen rubbish in newspaers irksome. Not hat I have any sympathy for them.</p></blockquote>
<p>What if you don&#8217;t buy newspapers? I reckon a daily newspaper would do far more environmental damage than a nearly weightless plastic bag every second day. It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if the just the fuel used to deliver the paper was greater than that to create the bag.<br />
Perhaps there should be subsidy to get everyone to put in an &#8216;insinkerator&#8217; or whatever they are called. This would get rid of most of the smelly stuff. A subsidized garbage compactor in every house would compress the rest down to a very small size thus requiring fewer bags.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458056</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458056</guid>
		<description>Point taken, Mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken, Mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458054</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliot Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458054</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Doug &lt;/strong&gt;says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Give Pete a break - if you don’t have a bundle of money to wave around getting the states to reach agreement is like herding cats.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The hardware chain Bunnings confirmed it had reduced bag usage by 99 per cent by imposing a charge, and was moving to an outright ban.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/bottle-inquiry-no-plastic-bag-deal/2008/04/17/1208025380966.html

What to do? What to do? So, hard....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Doug </strong>says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Give Pete a break - if you don’t have a bundle of money to wave around getting the states to reach agreement is like herding cats.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The hardware chain Bunnings confirmed it had reduced bag usage by 99 per cent by imposing a charge, and was moving to an outright ban.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/bottle-inquiry-no-plastic-bag-deal/2008/04/17/1208025380966.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/bottle-inquiry-no-plastic-bag-deal/2008/04/17/1208025380966.html</a></p>
<p>What to do? What to do? So, hard&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458053</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliot Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458053</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fine &lt;/strong&gt;says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;There’s a few people who should be very nrevous.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Home owners, motorists, wage-earning employees, small business operators, self-funded retirees....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fine </strong>says:</p>
<blockquote><p>There’s a few people who should be very nrevous.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Home owners, motorists, wage-earning employees, small business operators, self-funded retirees&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458049</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliot Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458049</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Peter&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;With drongos like him apparently in charge, I don’t hold out high hopes for real action on climate change to ensue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But Marn Fersn is an eminent doyen of the Federal Labor Party. Wasn't he under Keating and Hawke, too? Clearly, one of Rudd's most experienced team players. As opposed, say, to Peter Garrett and other "fresh new talent".

&lt;strong&gt;Andrew &lt;/strong&gt;says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;See how well Penny Wong goes selling the merits of higher fuel and electricty prices before you beat up too much on Peter Garrett for not being able to sell a plastic bag fee.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How does "stagflation" sound to you? Once that sets in big-time, then it will be Midnight Oil meets The Whitlams in a grizzly re-run of the seventies nostalgia craze.

They're probably attaching the electrodes to the bolts in Jim Cairns's and Rex Connor's necks already. "It's alive! It's alive!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Peter</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>With drongos like him apparently in charge, I don’t hold out high hopes for real action on climate change to ensue.</p></blockquote>
<p>But Marn Fersn is an eminent doyen of the Federal Labor Party. Wasn&#8217;t he under Keating and Hawke, too? Clearly, one of Rudd&#8217;s most experienced team players. As opposed, say, to Peter Garrett and other &#8220;fresh new talent&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Andrew </strong>says:</p>
<blockquote><p>See how well Penny Wong goes selling the merits of higher fuel and electricty prices before you beat up too much on Peter Garrett for not being able to sell a plastic bag fee.</p></blockquote>
<p>How does &#8220;stagflation&#8221; sound to you? Once that sets in big-time, then it will be Midnight Oil meets The Whitlams in a grizzly re-run of the seventies nostalgia craze.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re probably attaching the electrodes to the bolts in Jim Cairns&#8217;s and Rex Connor&#8217;s necks already. &#8220;It&#8217;s alive! It&#8217;s alive!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Peterc</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458040</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Ferguson tried to "stay on message" but didn't seem to realise (or care) that the message was not relevant to all of O'Brien's questions.

And he said the Govt has "committed $800m to solar".  I think this is was a clanger.  They (along with the Liberals) have committed $450m to coal via the LETD, but nowhere near this amount for solar (only the rebate for panels is in place).

He really didn't seem to know what he was talking about.  As if emissions trading in 2012 will have any short bearing on solar uptake, R&#38;D and commercialisation . . .

With drongos like him apparently in charge, I don't hold out high hopes for real action on climate change to ensue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Ferguson tried to &#8220;stay on message&#8221; but didn&#8217;t seem to realise (or care) that the message was not relevant to all of O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s questions.</p>
<p>And he said the Govt has &#8220;committed $800m to solar&#8221;.  I think this is was a clanger.  They (along with the Liberals) have committed $450m to coal via the LETD, but nowhere near this amount for solar (only the rebate for panels is in place).</p>
<p>He really didn&#8217;t seem to know what he was talking about.  As if emissions trading in 2012 will have any short bearing on solar uptake, R&amp;D and commercialisation . . .</p>
<p>With drongos like him apparently in charge, I don&#8217;t hold out high hopes for real action on climate change to ensue.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458034</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliot Ramsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: "...as dumb as a bag of hammers."

LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: &#8220;&#8230;as dumb as a bag of hammers.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458033</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks Marn Fersn should just be quietly put down. Either he's a brilliant actor, or he's pig-ignorant and as dumb as a bag of hammers. The only way I could live through the interview last night was by playing my guitar in the gaps between Red Kezza's attempts to get him to say something sensible or coherent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only person who thinks Marn Fersn should just be quietly put down. Either he&#8217;s a brilliant actor, or he&#8217;s pig-ignorant and as dumb as a bag of hammers. The only way I could live through the interview last night was by playing my guitar in the gaps between Red Kezza&#8217;s attempts to get him to say something sensible or coherent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/17/plastic-pete/#comment-458032</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, again I'm not adjudicating on the merits of the decisions taken about the Murray/Darling, but pointing to the contrast between the fact that agreement was reached on that issue and not on the issue for which Garrett had responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, again I&#8217;m not adjudicating on the merits of the decisions taken about the Murray/Darling, but pointing to the contrast between the fact that agreement was reached on that issue and not on the issue for which Garrett had responsibility.</p>
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