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	<title>Comments on: Polar bears and other animals</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/</link>
	<description>Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-462879</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-462879</guid>
		<description>It seems that in the US &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7374107.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Judge Claudia Wilken has just ordered&lt;/a&gt; the Bush administration to make and implement its decision on the status of the polar bear by 15 May.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A listing could restrict oil and gas exploration in the US Arctic, and lead to curbs on greenhouse gas emissions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Kassie Siegel, climate program director with the Center for Biological Diversity said it was a huge victory for the polar bear.

&lt;blockquote&gt;"By 15 May, the polar bear should receive the protections it deserves under the Endangered Species Act, which is the first step toward saving the polar bear and the entire Arctic ecosystem from global warming."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You never know, the judge may have struck a blow that will save the world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that in the US <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7374107.stm" rel="nofollow">Judge Claudia Wilken has just ordered</a> the Bush administration to make and implement its decision on the status of the polar bear by 15 May.</p>
<blockquote><p>A listing could restrict oil and gas exploration in the US Arctic, and lead to curbs on greenhouse gas emissions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Kassie Siegel, climate program director with the Center for Biological Diversity said it was a huge victory for the polar bear.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;By 15 May, the polar bear should receive the protections it deserves under the Endangered Species Act, which is the first step toward saving the polar bear and the entire Arctic ecosystem from global warming.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>You never know, the judge may have struck a blow that will save the world!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461720</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461720</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;brian, there’s a distinction between adaptation and survival.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True, wilful. According to Wiki the polar bear can still breed with the brown bear and produce fertile offspring. Some speculate that we might have interbred with Neanderthals while we were in the process of wiping them out. It's hardly survival!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>brian, there’s a distinction between adaptation and survival.</p></blockquote>
<p>True, wilful. According to Wiki the polar bear can still breed with the brown bear and produce fertile offspring. Some speculate that we might have interbred with Neanderthals while we were in the process of wiping them out. It&#8217;s hardly survival!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461715</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461715</guid>
		<description>The site's back. That was wierd. It was reduced to a silly one-liner.

Some relevant quotes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Polar bears still have a vestigial hibernation induction trigger in their blood, but they do not hibernate in the winter as the brown bear does. Only female polar bears enter a dormant state (referred to as "denning") during pregnancy, though their body temperature does not decrease during this period as it would for a typical mammal in hibernation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;When the ice floes break up in the fall, ending the possibility of hunting, each pregnant female digs a maternity den consisting of a narrow entrance tunnel leading to one to three chambers.[58] Most maternity dens are in snowdrifts, but may also be made underground in permafrost if it is not sufficiently cold yet for snow.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So on that basis an extended period of summer ice free habitat is going to adversely affect the females chance of storing enough fat for the breeding cycle.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The global polar bear population, estimated to be 22,000-25,000 bears, is relatively stable.[91] However, in 2006, the World Conservation Union (IUCN) upgraded the polar bear from a species of least concern to a vulnerable species[92] It cited a "suspected population reduction of &gt;30% within three generations (45 years)", due primarily to global warming.[4] Other risks to the polar bear include pollution in the form of toxic contaminants, conflicts with shipping, stresses from recreational polar-bear watching, and oil and gas exploration and development.[4] The IUCN also cited a "potential risk of over-harvest" through legal and illegal hunting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The U.S. Geological Survey predicts two-thirds of the world's polar bears will disappear by 2050, &lt;strong&gt;based on moderate projections for the shrinking of summer sea ice caused by global warming.&lt;/strong&gt;[43] The bears would disappear from Europe, Asia, and Alaska, and be depleted from the Arctic archipelago of Canada and areas off the northern Greenland coast. By 2080, they would disappear from Greenland entirely and from the northern Canadian coast, leaving only dwindling numbers in the interior Arctic archipelago. (Emphasis added)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Concerns over the future survival of the species led to the development of national regulations on polar bear hunting, beginning in the mid-1950s.[72] In 1973, the International Agreement on the Conservation of Polar Bears was signed by all five nations whose territory is inhabited by polar bears. Also known as the Oslo Agreement, it was a rare case of international cooperation during the Cold War.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;About 500 bears are killed per year by humans across Canada,[79] a rate believed by scientists to be unsustainable for some areas, notably Baffin Bay.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There's more, of course, but that's some of it in case the site disappears again. But clearly the IUCNs recommendations do need to be enacted within the relevant countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site&#8217;s back. That was wierd. It was reduced to a silly one-liner.</p>
<p>Some relevant quotes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Polar bears still have a vestigial hibernation induction trigger in their blood, but they do not hibernate in the winter as the brown bear does. Only female polar bears enter a dormant state (referred to as &#8220;denning&#8221;) during pregnancy, though their body temperature does not decrease during this period as it would for a typical mammal in hibernation.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>When the ice floes break up in the fall, ending the possibility of hunting, each pregnant female digs a maternity den consisting of a narrow entrance tunnel leading to one to three chambers.[58] Most maternity dens are in snowdrifts, but may also be made underground in permafrost if it is not sufficiently cold yet for snow.</p></blockquote>
<p>So on that basis an extended period of summer ice free habitat is going to adversely affect the females chance of storing enough fat for the breeding cycle.</p>
<blockquote><p>The global polar bear population, estimated to be 22,000-25,000 bears, is relatively stable.[91] However, in 2006, the World Conservation Union (IUCN) upgraded the polar bear from a species of least concern to a vulnerable species[92] It cited a &#8220;suspected population reduction of >30% within three generations (45 years)&#8221;, due primarily to global warming.[4] Other risks to the polar bear include pollution in the form of toxic contaminants, conflicts with shipping, stresses from recreational polar-bear watching, and oil and gas exploration and development.[4] The IUCN also cited a &#8220;potential risk of over-harvest&#8221; through legal and illegal hunting.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The U.S. Geological Survey predicts two-thirds of the world&#8217;s polar bears will disappear by 2050, <strong>based on moderate projections for the shrinking of summer sea ice caused by global warming.</strong>[43] The bears would disappear from Europe, Asia, and Alaska, and be depleted from the Arctic archipelago of Canada and areas off the northern Greenland coast. By 2080, they would disappear from Greenland entirely and from the northern Canadian coast, leaving only dwindling numbers in the interior Arctic archipelago. (Emphasis added)</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Concerns over the future survival of the species led to the development of national regulations on polar bear hunting, beginning in the mid-1950s.[72] In 1973, the International Agreement on the Conservation of Polar Bears was signed by all five nations whose territory is inhabited by polar bears. Also known as the Oslo Agreement, it was a rare case of international cooperation during the Cold War.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>About 500 bears are killed per year by humans across Canada,[79] a rate believed by scientists to be unsustainable for some areas, notably Baffin Bay.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s more, of course, but that&#8217;s some of it in case the site disappears again. But clearly the IUCNs recommendations do need to be enacted within the relevant countries.</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461710</link>
		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461710</guid>
		<description>brian, there's a distinction between adaptation and survival. Adaptation in the context we were meaning infers polar bears doing something genetically different, such as changing their coats or strategies. survival will happen for many species (hopefully more than 50%) that can migrate, or have wider tolerances, but still do essentially what they now do. 

Adaptation is a partial response to normal climate change, but not to this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brian, there&#8217;s a distinction between adaptation and survival. Adaptation in the context we were meaning infers polar bears doing something genetically different, such as changing their coats or strategies. survival will happen for many species (hopefully more than 50%) that can migrate, or have wider tolerances, but still do essentially what they now do. </p>
<p>Adaptation is a partial response to normal climate change, but not to this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461705</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461705</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the info, TFA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, TFA.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461704</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461704</guid>
		<description>FDB, someone's f*cked the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wikipedia entry&lt;/a&gt;, so I can't check, but are you saying that polar bears don't hibernate? I was under the impression that the females at least built an ice cave as a nursery.

If they can sit there and feed on seals in the winter their prospects are improved immeasurably, as the joint pretty well ices over each winter, even now. The temperature would need to rise quite significantly to eliminate winter ice.

Thanks, TFA. But wouldn't any IUCN determinations have to be adopted by nation states to have any effect? I can't help thinking that other interests come into play. You can imagine, for example, trophy hunters lobbying to prevent the listing of the polar bear, supported perhaps by Inuit who do well out of providing paid help.

I can't get my mind around the notion of kids growing up with the dream of some day killing a large polar bear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDB, someone&#8217;s f*cked the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia entry</a>, so I can&#8217;t check, but are you saying that polar bears don&#8217;t hibernate? I was under the impression that the females at least built an ice cave as a nursery.</p>
<p>If they can sit there and feed on seals in the winter their prospects are improved immeasurably, as the joint pretty well ices over each winter, even now. The temperature would need to rise quite significantly to eliminate winter ice.</p>
<p>Thanks, TFA. But wouldn&#8217;t any IUCN determinations have to be adopted by nation states to have any effect? I can&#8217;t help thinking that other interests come into play. You can imagine, for example, trophy hunters lobbying to prevent the listing of the polar bear, supported perhaps by Inuit who do well out of providing paid help.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t get my mind around the notion of kids growing up with the dream of some day killing a large polar bear!</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461698</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461698</guid>
		<description>Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. They rely entirely on stealth and cunning to hunt, and would be reduced to scavenging without ice cover. Historically they'd fast for much of summer, or barely subsist on seaweed and roots and shellfish, even though that's when the most "life" is around. Without winter to lie around on the sea ice lazily crunching seal skulls and gorging on blubber, they won't get to breeding condition in decent numbers. 

Clearly, they'll also clash with human settlements, moving north as ice recedes, and that usually doesn't work out too well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m getting at. They rely entirely on stealth and cunning to hunt, and would be reduced to scavenging without ice cover. Historically they&#8217;d fast for much of summer, or barely subsist on seaweed and roots and shellfish, even though that&#8217;s when the most &#8220;life&#8221; is around. Without winter to lie around on the sea ice lazily crunching seal skulls and gorging on blubber, they won&#8217;t get to breeding condition in decent numbers. </p>
<p>Clearly, they&#8217;ll also clash with human settlements, moving north as ice recedes, and that usually doesn&#8217;t work out too well!</p>
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		<title>By: The Feral Abacus</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461696</link>
		<dc:creator>The Feral Abacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461696</guid>
		<description>Kim, Brian - the &lt;a href="http://www.iucnredlist.org/info/introduction" rel="nofollow"&gt;IUCN&lt;/a&gt; are the people who make the determinations on risk of extinction.  They have a well-developed set of criteria which consider - among other things - changes in population size &#38; population range, and which assess the likely causes of those changes.

If climate change is a contributing factor to a population decline, I'd expect it would already be factored in to any IUCN deliberations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, Brian - the <a href="http://www.iucnredlist.org/info/introduction" rel="nofollow">IUCN</a> are the people who make the determinations on risk of extinction.  They have a well-developed set of criteria which consider - among other things - changes in population size &amp; population range, and which assess the likely causes of those changes.</p>
<p>If climate change is a contributing factor to a population decline, I&#8217;d expect it would already be factored in to any IUCN deliberations.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461694</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461694</guid>
		<description>Dead set right, FDB. It's obviously part of their adaptation to the ice. They clearly won't have time to evolve into a diffent colour.

Another is that they are slower than most of the species they like to eat. Hence the trick of waiting for seals to come up for air in holes in the ice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead set right, FDB. It&#8217;s obviously part of their adaptation to the ice. They clearly won&#8217;t have time to evolve into a diffent colour.</p>
<p>Another is that they are slower than most of the species they like to eat. Hence the trick of waiting for seals to come up for air in holes in the ice.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461670</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461670</guid>
		<description>Sure, they can walk and eat, but hunting in a forest, being white may prove a distinct disadvantage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, they can walk and eat, but hunting in a forest, being white may prove a distinct disadvantage!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461665</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461665</guid>
		<description>wiful, agreed. I'd query "overwhelming majority", but there are estimates of up to 50% or more if we don't do something. The loss of biodiversity in reefs is perhaps the most critical and very serious, because on past evidence they do regenerate, but it takes literally millions of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wiful, agreed. I&#8217;d query &#8220;overwhelming majority&#8221;, but there are estimates of up to 50% or more if we don&#8217;t do something. The loss of biodiversity in reefs is perhaps the most critical and very serious, because on past evidence they do regenerate, but it takes literally millions of years.</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461646</link>
		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461646</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;...there is some hope that it can re-adapt to an ice-free land-based habitat...&lt;/em&gt;
I can't speak specifically for bears, but there is little or no chance for the overwhelming majority of species to adapt to climate change as it is currently predicted. It's happening too rapidly, and habitats are too fragmented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8230;there is some hope that it can re-adapt to an ice-free land-based habitat&#8230;</em><br />
I can&#8217;t speak specifically for bears, but there is little or no chance for the overwhelming majority of species to adapt to climate change as it is currently predicted. It&#8217;s happening too rapidly, and habitats are too fragmented.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461634</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461634</guid>
		<description>I'm not a biologist. The subject was not even offered at the school I attended in the 1950s. Reading the Wikipedia entry it seems that the polar bear since it separated out from the brown bear about 200,000 years ago, has become increasingly a specialised ice animal, but it will eat literally anything and so there is some hope that it can re-adapt to an ice-free land-based habitat.

The question, I suspect, is whether the females can gain enough body weight to breed consistently and whether the young bears can get enough food to grow to be independent hunters.

Because they are cute I'm sure there will always be a zoo population, although there are complications. For months young Knut appeared on the front page of the online &lt;i&gt;Der Spiegel&lt;/i&gt;. But the upshot is the the little bugger &lt;a href="http://www.newser.com/story/22488.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;didn't know he was a bear&lt;/a&gt;, became a &lt;a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23434288-23109,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;psychopathic publicity seeker&lt;/a&gt; and now has to be given the boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a biologist. The subject was not even offered at the school I attended in the 1950s. Reading the Wikipedia entry it seems that the polar bear since it separated out from the brown bear about 200,000 years ago, has become increasingly a specialised ice animal, but it will eat literally anything and so there is some hope that it can re-adapt to an ice-free land-based habitat.</p>
<p>The question, I suspect, is whether the females can gain enough body weight to breed consistently and whether the young bears can get enough food to grow to be independent hunters.</p>
<p>Because they are cute I&#8217;m sure there will always be a zoo population, although there are complications. For months young Knut appeared on the front page of the online <i>Der Spiegel</i>. But the upshot is the the little bugger <a href="http://www.newser.com/story/22488.html" rel="nofollow">didn&#8217;t know he was a bear</a>, became a <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23434288-23109,00.html" rel="nofollow">psychopathic publicity seeker</a> and now has to be given the boot.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461590</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461590</guid>
		<description>Thanks, Brian, and for a very informative post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Brian, and for a very informative post.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461580</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461580</guid>
		<description>Kim, I don't know, but I don't think so and you're right, there should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, I don&#8217;t know, but I don&#8217;t think so and you&#8217;re right, there should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461565</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461565</guid>
		<description>Forgive my ignorance, Brian, but are there any protocols in place or proposed for modifying the way species danger/extinction status is assigned because of global warming? If not, should there be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive my ignorance, Brian, but are there any protocols in place or proposed for modifying the way species danger/extinction status is assigned because of global warming? If not, should there be?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461129</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-461129</guid>
		<description>wilful, I'll try to avoid knowing what Bolt does with it. There are so many throwaway lines about polar bears disappearing that I thought we should be aware of the latest thinking.

Bill, these &lt;a href="http://www.atmo.arizona.edu/students/courselinks/fall04/atmo336/lectures/sec5/holocene.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Arizona student notes&lt;/a&gt; suggest that the temperature was perhaps 1-2C warmer in 3000-5000 BC. It was also 1-2C warmer in the last interglacial, the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eem" rel="nofollow"&gt;Eemian&lt;/a&gt;.

Wikipedia has a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear" rel="nofollow"&gt;quite extensive entry on polar bears.&lt;/a&gt; It's quite pessimistic about the long term prospects, given continues global warming.

Ottawa could clearly do better on global warming as it's possibly the most recalcitrant country of the Kyoto signatories. But specifically on polar bears it's hard to see what they could do beyond preventing hunting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wilful, I&#8217;ll try to avoid knowing what Bolt does with it. There are so many throwaway lines about polar bears disappearing that I thought we should be aware of the latest thinking.</p>
<p>Bill, these <a href="http://www.atmo.arizona.edu/students/courselinks/fall04/atmo336/lectures/sec5/holocene.html" rel="nofollow">Arizona student notes</a> suggest that the temperature was perhaps 1-2C warmer in 3000-5000 BC. It was also 1-2C warmer in the last interglacial, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eem" rel="nofollow">Eemian</a>.</p>
<p>Wikipedia has a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear" rel="nofollow">quite extensive entry on polar bears.</a> It&#8217;s quite pessimistic about the long term prospects, given continues global warming.</p>
<p>Ottawa could clearly do better on global warming as it&#8217;s possibly the most recalcitrant country of the Kyoto signatories. But specifically on polar bears it&#8217;s hard to see what they could do beyond preventing hunting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-460959</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Arctic icepack has probably been absent in summer several times since the last glacial, but the bears are still there. If it did all melt, the seals would have to give birth on land instead of endless ice flows. The bears would find seals much easier, and bears swim pretty good distances too. A much nastier prospect for the seals, but I guess seals arent as charismatic?

  Just how is Ottawa going to legislate to stop ice melting anyway? King Canute wouldn't have thought he could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Arctic icepack has probably been absent in summer several times since the last glacial, but the bears are still there. If it did all melt, the seals would have to give birth on land instead of endless ice flows. The bears would find seals much easier, and bears swim pretty good distances too. A much nastier prospect for the seals, but I guess seals arent as charismatic?</p>
<p>  Just how is Ottawa going to legislate to stop ice melting anyway? King Canute wouldn&#8217;t have thought he could.</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/28/polar-bears-and-other-animals/#comment-460903</link>
		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can already see how Andrew Bolt will be reporting this.

frankly I'm surprised we've got any polar bears left, due to fisheries exploitation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can already see how Andrew Bolt will be reporting this.</p>
<p>frankly I&#8217;m surprised we&#8217;ve got any polar bears left, due to fisheries exploitation.</p>
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