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	<title>Comments on: Coren&#8217;s (alleged) Cash for Crud, and moral panics about &#8220;welfare bludging&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/</link>
	<description>Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: margo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462521</link>
		<dc:creator>margo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 09:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this trouble just looks like sour grapes because someone has broken rank and good on this person for doing so.  Surely the jury and judge can see right through all this suing for what it is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this trouble just looks like sour grapes because someone has broken rank and good on this person for doing so.  Surely the jury and judge can see right through all this suing for what it is!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462429</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sublimecowgirl,
I think that might have been the report I had in mind. That and several others, now lost in the bowels of my computer, were forwarded to me by Socialist Alliance at the time.
btw, I use scholarsearch regularly. A wonderful tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sublimecowgirl,<br />
I think that might have been the report I had in mind. That and several others, now lost in the bowels of my computer, were forwarded to me by Socialist Alliance at the time.<br />
btw, I use scholarsearch regularly. A wonderful tool.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462397</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 02:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adele Horin was most brave when she wrote that article, sublimecowgirl. (And an extreme apology for my, boy germ, lapse.) I remember it as a stark contrast to the media groupthink of the time. Things have changed a little, since then, but Tony Abbott ,for instance, still believes a family dole bludger bash will help his parties chances. Apparently, some of his colleagues are less enthusiastic.

I am just not so sure that these constant attacks on tax avoiders or welfare cheats are constructive. They may improve newspaper sales and low grade current affairs ratings, but seem to me neither socially or economically sound. Better to bury the stick and provide a bunch of carrots, as this bully boy stuff, is more about exclusion and blame games.

And back to my main point.... i believe, we are wasting vast amounts of money and energy, chasing down demons, when the return is far less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adele Horin was most brave when she wrote that article, sublimecowgirl. (And an extreme apology for my, boy germ, lapse.) I remember it as a stark contrast to the media groupthink of the time. Things have changed a little, since then, but Tony Abbott ,for instance, still believes a family dole bludger bash will help his parties chances. Apparently, some of his colleagues are less enthusiastic.</p>
<p>I am just not so sure that these constant attacks on tax avoiders or welfare cheats are constructive. They may improve newspaper sales and low grade current affairs ratings, but seem to me neither socially or economically sound. Better to bury the stick and provide a bunch of carrots, as this bully boy stuff, is more about exclusion and blame games.</p>
<p>And back to my main point&#8230;. i believe, we are wasting vast amounts of money and energy, chasing down demons, when the return is far less.</p>
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		<title>By: sublimecowgirl</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462142</link>
		<dc:creator>sublimecowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw Joe2, if you need to see me as a guy thats OK. We can explore this a little more another time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw Joe2, if you need to see me as a guy thats OK. We can explore this a little more another time.</p>
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		<title>By: sublimecowgirl</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462140</link>
		<dc:creator>sublimecowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462140</guid>
		<description>Paul and Joe 2;   found a link for you comparing welfare fraud with tax evasion. &lt;code&gt;http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/tax-dodgers-laughing-as-the-poor-are-hounded/2007/12/14/1197568262862.html&lt;code&gt;
It makes some great points in alignment with Wizofaus' comment.

I also did quick Google regular and Scholar search ( if you've not yet discovered this tool i do recommend you check it out by clicking the advanced search options)and while the issue is indeed far less problematic than tax evasion, its not exactly miniscule either.  

Check it up yourselves if yr curious.

For the record i've never alerted Centrelink about any confession clients have made because, frankly, thats the least of my concerns when someone is experiencing severe abuse or rape, a life threatening(terminal)illness, or processing the sexual abuse of a child.   I will always, however, encourage people to make considered and ethically integrated choices that are life affirming and empowering, so i ain't condoning choices to defraud the system, but i do understand the context in which it occurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul and Joe 2;   found a link for you comparing welfare fraud with tax evasion. <code><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/tax-dodgers-laughing-as-the-poor-are-hounded/2007/12/14/1197568262862.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/tax-dodgers-laughing-as-the-poor-are-hounded/2007/12/14/1197568262862.html</a></code><code><br />
It makes some great points in alignment with Wizofaus' comment.</p>
<p>I also did quick Google regular and Scholar search ( if you've not yet discovered this tool i do recommend you check it out by clicking the advanced search options)and while the issue is indeed far less problematic than tax evasion, its not exactly miniscule either.  </p>
<p>Check it up yourselves if yr curious.</p>
<p>For the record i've never alerted Centrelink about any confession clients have made because, frankly, thats the least of my concerns when someone is experiencing severe abuse or rape, a life threatening(terminal)illness, or processing the sexual abuse of a child.   I will always, however, encourage people to make considered and ethically integrated choices that are life affirming and empowering, so i ain't condoning choices to defraud the system, but i do understand the context in which it occurs.</code></p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462077</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 04:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"joe2, you’ve transgendered sublimecowgirl!"
OMG, i knew i should have stayed in bed today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;joe2, you’ve transgendered sublimecowgirl!&#8221;<br />
OMG, i knew i should have stayed in bed today.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462074</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 04:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been some analysrs or reports done on the extent of welfare fraud in the relatively distant past. The amount of welfare fraud according to these reports is virtually miniscule from memory. Its just a fact of life that the vast majority of welfare recipients just aren't that stupid to work and/or claim a benefit or pension if they're not entitled to it.The very small minority who do would almost certainly be criminals whether they were pensioners, beneficiaries, or not. And they always get caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been some analysrs or reports done on the extent of welfare fraud in the relatively distant past. The amount of welfare fraud according to these reports is virtually miniscule from memory. Its just a fact of life that the vast majority of welfare recipients just aren&#8217;t that stupid to work and/or claim a benefit or pension if they&#8217;re not entitled to it.The very small minority who do would almost certainly be criminals whether they were pensioners, beneficiaries, or not. And they always get caught.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462069</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe2, you've transgendered sublimecowgirl!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe2, you&#8217;ve transgendered sublimecowgirl!</p>
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		<title>By: wizofaus</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462031</link>
		<dc:creator>wizofaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if welfare fraud was as "huge" as it anecdotally is, there's no question it costs taxpayers far less than tax avoidance at the other end of the scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if welfare fraud was as &#8220;huge&#8221; as it anecdotally is, there&#8217;s no question it costs taxpayers far less than tax avoidance at the other end of the scale.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462010</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, slightly off topic, though referring to sublime cowboys comments...I often wonder how much welfare fraud there is. Anecdotally it is huge. My suspicion is that this perception is largely driven by the crappy current affairs shows and scapegoat politics. 

I suspect that the amount of money spent on tracking down this fraud is actually huge, compared to the problem. It just does not seem very economically rational.
And just makes people, who are often doing it very tough, feel like they cannot be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, slightly off topic, though referring to sublime cowboys comments&#8230;I often wonder how much welfare fraud there is. Anecdotally it is huge. My suspicion is that this perception is largely driven by the crappy current affairs shows and scapegoat politics. </p>
<p>I suspect that the amount of money spent on tracking down this fraud is actually huge, compared to the problem. It just does not seem very economically rational.<br />
And just makes people, who are often doing it very tough, feel like they cannot be trusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-462009</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Norton, it's because Nimbin and Byron have a certain reputation, however undeserved, in people's minds, and these tabloid programmes aren't even remotely interested in a factual or truthful presentation of the story they're beating up. 
It really makes me laugh when oafs like Akerman and the right-wing commentariat and the libs constantly get stuck into the ABC about "balance", but are deafeningly silent about the glaringly obvious bias and downright lies pedalled on shows like TT its sister programmes on the other commercial channels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Norton, it&#8217;s because Nimbin and Byron have a certain reputation, however undeserved, in people&#8217;s minds, and these tabloid programmes aren&#8217;t even remotely interested in a factual or truthful presentation of the story they&#8217;re beating up.<br />
It really makes me laugh when oafs like Akerman and the right-wing commentariat and the libs constantly get stuck into the ABC about &#8220;balance&#8221;, but are deafeningly silent about the glaringly obvious bias and downright lies pedalled on shows like TT its sister programmes on the other commercial channels.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-461990</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's slightly off-topic, but after enduring Akerman and Andrew Bolt on alternative Sunday mornings on &lt;em&gt;Insiders&lt;/em&gt;, I'm still not sure whch one I find more obnoxious - Akerman because he's more obnoxious pure and simple, or Bolt because of his devious capacity to sugar the underlying obnoxiousness of his views with wit and humour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s slightly off-topic, but after enduring Akerman and Andrew Bolt on alternative Sunday mornings on <em>Insiders</em>, I&#8217;m still not sure whch one I find more obnoxious - Akerman because he&#8217;s more obnoxious pure and simple, or Bolt because of his devious capacity to sugar the underlying obnoxiousness of his views with wit and humour.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-461989</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sublimecowgirl.

That's an interesting point that provides food for thought.  However the question which persists is why the programs would go all the way to Nimbin and Byron to find such people when basic laws of probability suggest that there will be many more of them closer to home in suburban Sydney (or whichever metropolis the show is produced in).  Also, why would the program only interview (in one instance) the surfies and a bloviating Akerman when there are both other (and better informed) viewpoints to be heard, and many other &lt;em&gt;bona fide &lt;/em&gt;welfare clients to be interviewed whose circumstances and attitude are quite different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sublimecowgirl.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting point that provides food for thought.  However the question which persists is why the programs would go all the way to Nimbin and Byron to find such people when basic laws of probability suggest that there will be many more of them closer to home in suburban Sydney (or whichever metropolis the show is produced in).  Also, why would the program only interview (in one instance) the surfies and a bloviating Akerman when there are both other (and better informed) viewpoints to be heard, and many other <em>bona fide </em>welfare clients to be interviewed whose circumstances and attitude are quite different.</p>
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		<title>By: sublimecowgirl</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-461932</link>
		<dc:creator>sublimecowgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If they were lying in the interview, one must ask what would be the point? They would be inviting opprobrium from the public and, presumably, at least some of their friends and family, they would be attracting unnecessary adverse attention from Centrelink, and they would be giving the government ammunition to change its policies so as to change their circumstances in a way they wouldn’t like. What possible countervailing benefit would there be?"

I"m not so sure some of the people that allow themselves to be featured on these shows think through the issues that clearly.  

A little touch of fame and notoriety in 'beating the system' can win kudos in some circles.  

You  may be surprised to know how flagrant people are in working the system if you worked on the ground in welfare, health, community or theraputic services.  My response to these many disclosures (sometimes motivated by bravado, guilt or stupidity) is " why do you want me to know that?  ITs an interesting question, and it seems sometimes the motivating desire is an attempt at a strange sort of confession, and a projection of complicity upon me - i then have the moral quandry to process around  the disclosing of their behaviour to the right channels, while they feel absolved in having told 'someone' in authority, but taking a calculated risk that i probably won't breach confidentiality and push the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If they were lying in the interview, one must ask what would be the point? They would be inviting opprobrium from the public and, presumably, at least some of their friends and family, they would be attracting unnecessary adverse attention from Centrelink, and they would be giving the government ammunition to change its policies so as to change their circumstances in a way they wouldn’t like. What possible countervailing benefit would there be?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8221;m not so sure some of the people that allow themselves to be featured on these shows think through the issues that clearly.  </p>
<p>A little touch of fame and notoriety in &#8216;beating the system&#8217; can win kudos in some circles.  </p>
<p>You  may be surprised to know how flagrant people are in working the system if you worked on the ground in welfare, health, community or theraputic services.  My response to these many disclosures (sometimes motivated by bravado, guilt or stupidity) is &#8221; why do you want me to know that?  ITs an interesting question, and it seems sometimes the motivating desire is an attempt at a strange sort of confession, and a projection of complicity upon me - i then have the moral quandry to process around  the disclosing of their behaviour to the right channels, while they feel absolved in having told &#8217;someone&#8217; in authority, but taking a calculated risk that i probably won&#8217;t breach confidentiality and push the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-461923</link>
		<dc:creator>Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funniest thing about the whole episode was finding out from someone I knew at CSIRO (which TT incorrectly said I was from) that the CSIRO media relations people had been running around trying to find out who on earth this (non-existent) Professor Truman of theirs was who'd been talking to the media without telling them about it :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funniest thing about the whole episode was finding out from someone I knew at CSIRO (which TT incorrectly said I was from) that the CSIRO media relations people had been running around trying to find out who on earth this (non-existent) Professor Truman of theirs was who&#8217;d been talking to the media without telling them about it <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dave from Albury</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-461902</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave from Albury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blair, it's more likely that the trifecta of errors occurred so that you couldn't complain about them editing your comments as 'you' didn't make them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blair, it&#8217;s more likely that the trifecta of errors occurred so that you couldn&#8217;t complain about them editing your comments as &#8216;you&#8217; didn&#8217;t make them.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-461821</link>
		<dc:creator>Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once got interviewed by 'Today Tonight' for something to do with my work. They obviously didn't think my quotes were sensational enough so they edited the word 'not' out of one of them. Mind you, they might as well have been talking to someone else because they also managed the trifecta of getting my name, title and institution wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once got interviewed by &#8216;Today Tonight&#8217; for something to do with my work. They obviously didn&#8217;t think my quotes were sensational enough so they edited the word &#8216;not&#8217; out of one of them. Mind you, they might as well have been talking to someone else because they also managed the trifecta of getting my name, title and institution wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/corens-alleged-cash-for-crap-and-moral-panics-about-welfare-bludging/#comment-461769</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CFQ at 12.52pm

I too visited England some time ago, and couldn't believe the tabloids. I asked an English friend, "Why is it that so much trash is printed in your newspapers?". 

His reply: "Your mistake is to think they are 'newspapers'."

In Australia, I believe a similar error is to think that those TV shows "cover current affairs" in some sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CFQ at 12.52pm</p>
<p>I too visited England some time ago, and couldn&#8217;t believe the tabloids. I asked an English friend, &#8220;Why is it that so much trash is printed in your newspapers?&#8221;. </p>
<p>His reply: &#8220;Your mistake is to think they are &#8216;newspapers&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Australia, I believe a similar error is to think that those TV shows &#8220;cover current affairs&#8221; in some sense.</p>
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		<title>By: CFQ</title>
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		<description>Paul, that's a good point, and it sounds entirely reasonable to me. TT and ACA in particular seem to "pride" themselves in informing the public about the shonky builder/magical slimming tablet/whatever, so surely they should care when they misinform said public. And if they don't care - which they don't - they should be made to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, that&#8217;s a good point, and it sounds entirely reasonable to me. TT and ACA in particular seem to &#8220;pride&#8221; themselves in informing the public about the shonky builder/magical slimming tablet/whatever, so surely they should care when they misinform said public. And if they don&#8217;t care - which they don&#8217;t - they should be made to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
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		<description>Paul Norton (8):
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I have often thought that the defamation laws, and other media laws, need to include provisions for media outlets and operatives to be required by courts to make full and frank confessions, of similar length and in similar timeslots (or equivalent) to the original defamatory publication, of how and why they came to make claims which they either knew to be untrue, or would have found to be untrue had they exercised due diligence in their research and reporting.
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I like that, but I'd also like to see a regulatory body that can receive complaints, conduct investigations, impose fines and put a show off the air for a period of time. I have in mind something like Ch 7 having to fill its TT timeslot for a few weeks with a notice that it is unable to broadcast its usual crap as a penalty for having breached media rules.

That would be a huge deterrent for Ch7 and have the additional benefit of sparing viewers the brain-deadening impact of watching TT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Norton (8):</p>
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I have often thought that the defamation laws, and other media laws, need to include provisions for media outlets and operatives to be required by courts to make full and frank confessions, of similar length and in similar timeslots (or equivalent) to the original defamatory publication, of how and why they came to make claims which they either knew to be untrue, or would have found to be untrue had they exercised due diligence in their research and reporting.
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<p>I like that, but I&#8217;d also like to see a regulatory body that can receive complaints, conduct investigations, impose fines and put a show off the air for a period of time. I have in mind something like Ch 7 having to fill its TT timeslot for a few weeks with a notice that it is unable to broadcast its usual crap as a penalty for having breached media rules.</p>
<p>That would be a huge deterrent for Ch7 and have the additional benefit of sparing viewers the brain-deadening impact of watching TT.</p>
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