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	<title>Comments on: Haneef blame cage match continues&#8230;</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/</link>
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		<title>By: wizofaus</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-462016</link>
		<dc:creator>wizofaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The australian public sacked the hapless and hopeless Andrews"

Actually his (and sadly my) electorate comfortably voted him back in.

P.S. Anyone else have problems with undo/redo in the comments submission box here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The australian public sacked the hapless and hopeless Andrews&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually his (and sadly my) electorate comfortably voted him back in.</p>
<p>P.S. Anyone else have problems with undo/redo in the comments submission box here?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-462006</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-462006</guid>
		<description>Even scarier than the scary terrorists is that this bunch of self-serving, mendacious halfwits was in charge of this country for 11.5 years and that they still have a loud-mouthed cheer squad like Albrechtson, Ackerman, Bolt and co spruiking for them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even scarier than the scary terrorists is that this bunch of self-serving, mendacious halfwits was in charge of this country for 11.5 years and that they still have a loud-mouthed cheer squad like Albrechtson, Ackerman, Bolt and co spruiking for them!</p>
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		<title>By: Rayedish</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461997</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayedish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461997</guid>
		<description>Keelty's got to go.  Send a firm message to the AFP and hopefully put someone in the position who can do the job with the competence and apolitical stance required in such a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keelty&#8217;s got to go.  Send a firm message to the AFP and hopefully put someone in the position who can do the job with the competence and apolitical stance required in such a job.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony D</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461986</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461986</guid>
		<description>I love it!

Either Andrews is incompetent for not ensuring ministerial responsibility over his department (the blame Kealty defense) or... he's a biased politico playing power games for the bigger fish...

Either way he looses! WooHoo!

That said, the AFPs reputation internationally has never been that flash and after Haneef it was shot completely... time for some reform eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it!</p>
<p>Either Andrews is incompetent for not ensuring ministerial responsibility over his department (the blame Kealty defense) or&#8230; he&#8217;s a biased politico playing power games for the bigger fish&#8230;</p>
<p>Either way he looses! WooHoo!</p>
<p>That said, the AFPs reputation internationally has never been that flash and after Haneef it was shot completely&#8230; time for some reform eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461948</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461948</guid>
		<description>Everyone:

What worries me is the secrecy surrounding all parts of the inquiry.

Yes, there must. of necessity, be closed sessions where current secret operations, state-of-the-art techniques, current officers and persons who are currently "of interest" can be freely and robustly discussed.   That's reasonable.

But, in a parliamentary democracy, to lock the public out of the whole inquiry ....  that's questionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone:</p>
<p>What worries me is the secrecy surrounding all parts of the inquiry.</p>
<p>Yes, there must. of necessity, be closed sessions where current secret operations, state-of-the-art techniques, current officers and persons who are currently &#8220;of interest&#8221; can be freely and robustly discussed.   That&#8217;s reasonable.</p>
<p>But, in a parliamentary democracy, to lock the public out of the whole inquiry &#8230;.  that&#8217;s questionable.</p>
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		<title>By: amphibious</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461921</link>
		<dc:creator>amphibious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461921</guid>
		<description>The AFP has been shopping low level mules to Thai, Viet and other SE Asian source nations for years, at least since 1994 to certain knowledge. 
During the trial of the Sydney airport whistleblower last year it came out that the AFP had downloaded the suppressed data &#38; reports into their intelligence (sic!) system long before Corby was even busted, so he knew that he was lying in his many sub judice comments during her trial.
Never mind sack, charge him with gross dereliction of duty or at least culpable incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AFP has been shopping low level mules to Thai, Viet and other SE Asian source nations for years, at least since 1994 to certain knowledge.<br />
During the trial of the Sydney airport whistleblower last year it came out that the AFP had downloaded the suppressed data &amp; reports into their intelligence (sic!) system long before Corby was even busted, so he knew that he was lying in his many sub judice comments during her trial.<br />
Never mind sack, charge him with gross dereliction of duty or at least culpable incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461900</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461900</guid>
		<description>The presumption I guess would be that the presumption of innocence has no relevance whatsoever in the minds of Andrews and the AFP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The presumption I guess would be that the presumption of innocence has no relevance whatsoever in the minds of Andrews and the AFP.</p>
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		<title>By: Mug Punter</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461899</link>
		<dc:creator>Mug Punter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Powerful evidence of innocence"? I thought the state [AFP and Andrews] needed powerful evidence of guilt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Powerful evidence of innocence&#8221;? I thought the state [AFP and Andrews] needed powerful evidence of guilt!</p>
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		<title>By: zorronsky</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461856</link>
		<dc:creator>zorronsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn't it just the other day that Keelty confirmed that 50 Feds are still working on Haneef's case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t it just the other day that Keelty confirmed that 50 Feds are still working on Haneef&#8217;s case?</p>
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		<title>By: silkworm</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461854</link>
		<dc:creator>silkworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461854</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’ll be no great loss, this is the same idiot who allowed drug traffickers into Indonesia in the full knowledge of what would happen to them, despite having plenty of evidence to arrest them here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This wasn't an act of idiocy. It was an act of bastardry.

Ditto for Keelty’s repeated pronouncements during the Corby trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’ll be no great loss, this is the same idiot who allowed drug traffickers into Indonesia in the full knowledge of what would happen to them, despite having plenty of evidence to arrest them here.</p></blockquote>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t an act of idiocy. It was an act of bastardry.</p>
<p>Ditto for Keelty’s repeated pronouncements during the Corby trial.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461823</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461823</guid>
		<description>David Rubie (4): 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
It all seems pretty simple to me. The australian public sacked the hapless and hopeless Andrews, now Rudd must ditch Keelty. It’ll be no great loss, this is the same idiot who allowed drug traffickers into Indonesia in the full knowledge of what would happen to them, despite having plenty of evidence to arrest them here. The despicable act of off-shoring and co-opting an Indonesian death penalty was far worse than the whole Haneef thing. He was little more than an extension of the Howard regime, is useless, and should be sacked.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agree totally. I'd also add Keelty's repeated pronouncements during the Corby trial that her evidence was flimsy. Doesn't matter whether he was right or not. I don't want an Australian facing a potential death sentence to have her defence sabotaged by our Chief Cop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Rubie (4): </p>
<blockquote><p>
It all seems pretty simple to me. The australian public sacked the hapless and hopeless Andrews, now Rudd must ditch Keelty. It’ll be no great loss, this is the same idiot who allowed drug traffickers into Indonesia in the full knowledge of what would happen to them, despite having plenty of evidence to arrest them here. The despicable act of off-shoring and co-opting an Indonesian death penalty was far worse than the whole Haneef thing. He was little more than an extension of the Howard regime, is useless, and should be sacked.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Agree totally. I&#8217;d also add Keelty&#8217;s repeated pronouncements during the Corby trial that her evidence was flimsy. Doesn&#8217;t matter whether he was right or not. I don&#8217;t want an Australian facing a potential death sentence to have her defence sabotaged by our Chief Cop.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461822</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. Sack Keelty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Sack Keelty.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461813</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461813</guid>
		<description>It all seems pretty simple to me.  The australian public sacked the hapless and hopeless Andrews, now Rudd must ditch Keelty.  It'll be no great loss, this is the same idiot who allowed drug traffickers into Indonesia in the full knowledge of what would happen to them, despite having plenty of evidence to arrest them here.  The despicable act of off-shoring and co-opting an Indonesian death penalty was far worse than the whole Haneef thing.  He was little more than an extension of the Howard regime, is useless, and should be sacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all seems pretty simple to me.  The australian public sacked the hapless and hopeless Andrews, now Rudd must ditch Keelty.  It&#8217;ll be no great loss, this is the same idiot who allowed drug traffickers into Indonesia in the full knowledge of what would happen to them, despite having plenty of evidence to arrest them here.  The despicable act of off-shoring and co-opting an Indonesian death penalty was far worse than the whole Haneef thing.  He was little more than an extension of the Howard regime, is useless, and should be sacked.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461811</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461811</guid>
		<description>Incidentally, Greg Barns had a piece in Crikey today saying that the "source"'s claims were contradicted by emails obtained by Haneef's lawyers under FOI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, Greg Barns had a piece in Crikey today saying that the &#8220;source&#8221;&#8217;s claims were contradicted by emails obtained by Haneef&#8217;s lawyers under FOI.</p>
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		<title>By: silkworm</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461810</link>
		<dc:creator>silkworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461810</guid>
		<description>There are two problems here.

1. The failure of the AFP/Keelty to provide (existing) evidence of innocence.

2. The failure of DIMIA/Andrews to provide (non-existing) evidence of guilt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two problems here.</p>
<p>1. The failure of the AFP/Keelty to provide (existing) evidence of innocence.</p>
<p>2. The failure of DIMIA/Andrews to provide (non-existing) evidence of guilt.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/04/30/haneef-blame-cage-match-continues/#comment-461801</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Merkel and all:
&lt;blockquote&gt;"These guys were supposed to be in charge of protecting us from Scary Terryrists" &lt;/blockquote&gt;

These blokes - and several more whose Teflon(TM)coating is still working superbly well.

Now you can see why I am alert .... alarmed .... and very frightened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Merkel and all:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;These guys were supposed to be in charge of protecting us from Scary Terryrists&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>These blokes - and several more whose Teflon(TM)coating is still working superbly well.</p>
<p>Now you can see why I am alert &#8230;. alarmed &#8230;. and very frightened.</p>
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