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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467191</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 06:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Robust&lt;/i&gt;, Fine @ #173, he&#039;s &lt;i&gt;robust&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Robust</i>, Fine @ #173, he&#8217;s <i>robust</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: casey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467176</link>
		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Helen, please, pass the popcorn over...</description>
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		<title>By: casey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467174</link>
		<dc:creator>casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh look, it was made up, by a blogger:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23702432-12377,00.html

and here I was doing research on th homicidal triangle and whether Troy had the other requirements necessary.for the FBI profile on such people....
loved this quote:

&quot;I also take this opportunity to place on the record that I am a big fan of quokkas and wish no ill towards them&quot;

I wish he&#039;d stop taking these opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh look, it was made up, by a blogger:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23702432-12377,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23702432-12377,00.html</a></p>
<p>and here I was doing research on th homicidal triangle and whether Troy had the other requirements necessary.for the FBI profile on such people&#8230;.<br />
loved this quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;I also take this opportunity to place on the record that I am a big fan of quokkas and wish no ill towards them&#8221;</p>
<p>I wish he&#8217;d stop taking these opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Fine</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467170</link>
		<dc:creator>Fine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but it&#039;s just his natural exuberance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but it&#8217;s just his natural exuberance</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467148</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, quite. 

At least, &lt;i&gt;we&lt;/i&gt; shouldn&#039;t - I&#039;d imagine the difference is pretty important for the WA Libs though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, quite. </p>
<p>At least, <i>we</i> shouldn&#8217;t &#8211; I&#8217;d imagine the difference is pretty important for the WA Libs though!</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467142</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is allegedly video of the incident. Is he a first year engineering student at UWA, or an ambitious politician?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When it come to the gratuitous torture of small animals, should we care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is allegedly video of the incident. Is he a first year engineering student at UWA, or an ambitious politician?</p></blockquote>
<p>When it come to the gratuitous torture of small animals, should we care?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen @163,
I couldn&#039;t agree more. In my late 20s I had my run-ins with feminists before I was reconstructed so to speak.
I won&#039;t boast about how successful that reconstruction was, except to mention that as a tutor teaching the 60s/70s social revolution I recommended people read The Female Eunuch as a primary sources. (And had some blokes tell me they&#039;d never read that!)And, yes, if men are making obviuos sexist comments, I do vociferously objecr, the same way I object to, and have ended friendships over people being racist. This is not to say that as a bloke I&#039;m not occasionally unconsciously sexist.But I try not to be.
Everyone,
Re the quokka. Apart from the cruelty to animals, the point that really distressed me was that this was believeable because men were using it to play football and what it said about the football mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen @163,<br />
I couldn&#8217;t agree more. In my late 20s I had my run-ins with feminists before I was reconstructed so to speak.<br />
I won&#8217;t boast about how successful that reconstruction was, except to mention that as a tutor teaching the 60s/70s social revolution I recommended people read The Female Eunuch as a primary sources. (And had some blokes tell me they&#8217;d never read that!)And, yes, if men are making obviuos sexist comments, I do vociferously objecr, the same way I object to, and have ended friendships over people being racist. This is not to say that as a bloke I&#8217;m not occasionally unconsciously sexist.But I try not to be.<br />
Everyone,<br />
Re the quokka. Apart from the cruelty to animals, the point that really distressed me was that this was believeable because men were using it to play football and what it said about the football mentality.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467123</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 03:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell:

Funny as Buswell&#039;s slo-mo demise is, unfortunately the comically absurd quokka sex angle is the result of subbies&#039; &quot;unfortunate&quot; choice of wording. What he&#039;s actually been &quot;linked to&quot; is the bashing of a quokka by means of booting it from WA Lib pollie to WA Lib pollie. 

So I&#039;d argue that consent is unlikely to pertain as mitigation in this case.

And as much as I&#039;d like to dismiss the whole thing - it&#039;s disgusting to think about, for a start - after the chair-sniffing I really don&#039;t know any more. There is allegedly video of the incident. Is he a first year engineering student at UWA, or an ambitious politician?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell:</p>
<p>Funny as Buswell&#8217;s slo-mo demise is, unfortunately the comically absurd quokka sex angle is the result of subbies&#8217; &#8220;unfortunate&#8221; choice of wording. What he&#8217;s actually been &#8220;linked to&#8221; is the bashing of a quokka by means of booting it from WA Lib pollie to WA Lib pollie. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;d argue that consent is unlikely to pertain as mitigation in this case.</p>
<p>And as much as I&#8217;d like to dismiss the whole thing &#8211; it&#8217;s disgusting to think about, for a start &#8211; after the chair-sniffing I really don&#8217;t know any more. There is allegedly video of the incident. Is he a first year engineering student at UWA, or an ambitious politician?</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467080</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be sad that if after all his sexist actions towards women, Buswell is finally brought down by a quokka. I can see the &#039;Quokka Shocker!&#039; headlines now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be sad that if after all his sexist actions towards women, Buswell is finally brought down by a quokka. I can see the &#8216;Quokka Shocker!&#8217; headlines now.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467076</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDB - who knows, the quokka may have initiated the business - they are awfully cute. Anyway if the quokka wasn&#039;t offended, it was just consensual hijinks, wasn&#039;t it? (wouldn&#039;t expect to find any speciesism at LP).

When I first heard the quokka story I thought it was brilliant, but then the Libs aren&#039;t THAT clever: when you can&#039;t back away or get around from a story like the chair sniffing, release a few more stories, increasingly ridiculous, so that then ALL the stories become just funny, ie it&#039;s the stories that are laughable, a running gag, not the bloke. Genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDB &#8211; who knows, the quokka may have initiated the business &#8211; they are awfully cute. Anyway if the quokka wasn&#8217;t offended, it was just consensual hijinks, wasn&#8217;t it? (wouldn&#8217;t expect to find any speciesism at LP).</p>
<p>When I first heard the quokka story I thought it was brilliant, but then the Libs aren&#8217;t THAT clever: when you can&#8217;t back away or get around from a story like the chair sniffing, release a few more stories, increasingly ridiculous, so that then ALL the stories become just funny, ie it&#8217;s the stories that are laughable, a running gag, not the bloke. Genius.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467064</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 01:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PC - that was the one and only time (off the sporting field) I&#039;ve ever initiated physical aggression against another person. I wouldn&#039;t say say I&#039;m proud, but I will say I&#039;ve never regretted bruised knuckles so little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PC &#8211; that was the one and only time (off the sporting field) I&#8217;ve ever initiated physical aggression against another person. I wouldn&#8217;t say say I&#8217;m proud, but I will say I&#8217;ve never regretted bruised knuckles so little.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467062</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 01:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;or until someone else comes and kicks the shit out of you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

*Volunteers*

If Buswell were not in strife already for bizarre and repulsive behaviour indicating a total disregard for other human beings (look at that photo, I mean, just look at it -- you&#039;re not &lt;i&gt;born&lt;/i&gt; looking like that, it has to be &lt;i&gt;earned&lt;/i&gt;), would this rumour ever have even got off the ground? Given that the chair-sniffing and all that that implies seems to be true beyond doubt, I (for one) now regard this dude as capable of truly anything.

Has anyone mentioned Richard Gere yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>or until someone else comes and kicks the shit out of you.</p></blockquote>
<p>*Volunteers*</p>
<p>If Buswell were not in strife already for bizarre and repulsive behaviour indicating a total disregard for other human beings (look at that photo, I mean, just look at it &#8212; you&#8217;re not <i>born</i> looking like that, it has to be <i>earned</i>), would this rumour ever have even got off the ground? Given that the chair-sniffing and all that that implies seems to be true beyond doubt, I (for one) now regard this dude as capable of truly anything.</p>
<p>Has anyone mentioned Richard Gere yet?</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467033</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’d pat it&quot;

LOLZ!!!1!

Poor little blighters, those quokkas. Always getting the rough end of the stick, whether it&#039;s leavers&#039; week or a Libs getaway.

&quot;Quokka soccer&quot;, for the uninitiated, is precisely what it sounds like. Kick it until it&#039;s dead or not fun any more, or until someone else comes and kicks the shit out of &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;.

*whistles nonchalantly*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d pat it&#8221;</p>
<p>LOLZ!!!1!</p>
<p>Poor little blighters, those quokkas. Always getting the rough end of the stick, whether it&#8217;s leavers&#8217; week or a Libs getaway.</p>
<p>&#8220;Quokka soccer&#8221;, for the uninitiated, is precisely what it sounds like. Kick it until it&#8217;s dead or not fun any more, or until someone else comes and kicks the shit out of <i>you</i>.</p>
<p>*whistles nonchalantly*</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-467023</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;O’m a bloke who steps very warily into any debate about sexual haeassment/feminism etc, because as far as I’m concerned its almost always a lose/lose situation. And as my Apologetics teacher taught me at De La Salle kingsgrove when I was about 14, you can’t argue against prejudice, whichever gender the prejuduce is coming from. &lt;/i&gt;

Paul, you&#039;re a great guy but you might like to consider a few sources more up to date than your old Catlick school teachers. We all step very warily into such debates (as women, it&#039;s because we&#039;re often slapped down and insulted if we do); but as the Shapely Prose blogger Kate Harding pointed out once in a post that has become deservedly famous, it is incumbent on men to point it out once in a while if they don&#039;t want to be enablers. She points out that some of the men making with the &quot;hurh, hurh&quot; creepy jokes really are creepy. &quot;And that guy? thought you were on his side.&quot; Sorry, can&#039;t find the reference via Google.

&lt;i&gt;BUT I reckon therer’s a huge difference from getting an awatd for having the best boobs in Parliament, (presumably made by male and female parliamentarians, unleess you’re under the misapprehension women don’t sometimes participate in these things AND (if your’re a woman, or man for that matter) some creep sniffing your chair while making orgasmic noises just after you’ve stood up.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s a matter of degree, but not of kind. Imagine you&#039;re working under a regional manager of something or other, a suited bloke; would you organise a competition and declare him the Man with the Lowest Hanging Testicles at the Christmas party or Karaoke night? I think not. It&#039;s not as severe as the chair sniffing incident but it does illustrate how women have to work constantly as being seen as legitimate authority figures where the male culture constantly tries to set them up as people to whom it would be OK to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>O’m a bloke who steps very warily into any debate about sexual haeassment/feminism etc, because as far as I’m concerned its almost always a lose/lose situation. And as my Apologetics teacher taught me at De La Salle kingsgrove when I was about 14, you can’t argue against prejudice, whichever gender the prejuduce is coming from. </i></p>
<p>Paul, you&#8217;re a great guy but you might like to consider a few sources more up to date than your old Catlick school teachers. We all step very warily into such debates (as women, it&#8217;s because we&#8217;re often slapped down and insulted if we do); but as the Shapely Prose blogger Kate Harding pointed out once in a post that has become deservedly famous, it is incumbent on men to point it out once in a while if they don&#8217;t want to be enablers. She points out that some of the men making with the &#8220;hurh, hurh&#8221; creepy jokes really are creepy. &#8220;And that guy? thought you were on his side.&#8221; Sorry, can&#8217;t find the reference via Google.</p>
<p><i>BUT I reckon therer’s a huge difference from getting an awatd for having the best boobs in Parliament, (presumably made by male and female parliamentarians, unleess you’re under the misapprehension women don’t sometimes participate in these things AND (if your’re a woman, or man for that matter) some creep sniffing your chair while making orgasmic noises just after you’ve stood up.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a matter of degree, but not of kind. Imagine you&#8217;re working under a regional manager of something or other, a suited bloke; would you organise a competition and declare him the Man with the Lowest Hanging Testicles at the Christmas party or Karaoke night? I think not. It&#8217;s not as severe as the chair sniffing incident but it does illustrate how women have to work constantly as being seen as legitimate authority figures where the male culture constantly tries to set them up as people to whom it would be OK to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look on the bright side.

Troy has never been accused of sniffing quokkas.

This alone makes him the most suitable chap to lead the WA Libs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look on the bright side.</p>
<p>Troy has never been accused of sniffing quokkas.</p>
<p>This alone makes him the most suitable chap to lead the WA Libs.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d pat it</description>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell:

&lt;i&gt;That Troy may have faults but his talents are needed - and therefore, on balance, given his apology and commitment to better behaviour, I’d give him another go.&lt;/i&gt;

AKA: lack of talent in Liberal ranks which is painfully evident in every State. 

Lefty E:

&lt;i&gt;I would suggest looking eastward for the next Liberal Government, punters.&lt;/i&gt;

Not in Victoria, Russell! I&#039;m still sitting here, popcorn in hand, chuckling at the antics of our Liberal friends here (well, some of it isn&#039;t even funny, I should say.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell:</p>
<p><i>That Troy may have faults but his talents are needed &#8211; and therefore, on balance, given his apology and commitment to better behaviour, I’d give him another go.</i></p>
<p>AKA: lack of talent in Liberal ranks which is painfully evident in every State. </p>
<p>Lefty E:</p>
<p><i>I would suggest looking eastward for the next Liberal Government, punters.</i></p>
<p>Not in Victoria, Russell! I&#8217;m still sitting here, popcorn in hand, chuckling at the antics of our Liberal friends here (well, some of it isn&#8217;t even funny, I should say.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 15:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chair sniffer and now quokka fokka. Regardless of the truth, this guy&#039;s now labeled for life as a laughing stock. It&#039;s either Big Brother or the US Congress for him now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chair sniffer and now quokka fokka. Regardless of the truth, this guy&#8217;s now labeled for life as a laughing stock. It&#8217;s either Big Brother or the US Congress for him now.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the internet tubes go all the way to Rottnest. Maybe they just have an old riso running off shit sheets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the internet tubes go all the way to Rottnest. Maybe they just have an old riso running off shit sheets.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/05/the-boys-club/comment-page-4/#comment-466955</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it have a blog &quot;Westralians against Troy&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it have a blog &#8220;Westralians against Troy&#8221;?</p>
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