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	<title>Comments on: The budget rituals</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/</link>
	<description>Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466483</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 08:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466483</guid>
		<description>I'm opening up comments on the liveblogging post, so I might take the liberty of closing them here.

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/liveblogging-budget-2008/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m opening up comments on the liveblogging post, so I might take the liberty of closing them here.</p>
<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/liveblogging-budget-2008/" rel="nofollow">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/liveblogging-budget-2008/</a></p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466477</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 08:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466477</guid>
		<description>"Unfortunately, Swan has a slightly soporific effect when on the TV."

Oh, but life is now good.

That Tip was always a danger to our baby bonus plasma. My door stop and tele can relax, tonight, as Mr Smirk works feverishly on his bucketload of shite memoirs, in the background. 

This working family will be singin'....
"How I loves ya, how I loves ya, my dear old Swanny"
....as it is, indeed, a time of glorious change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unfortunately, Swan has a slightly soporific effect when on the TV.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, but life is now good.</p>
<p>That Tip was always a danger to our baby bonus plasma. My door stop and tele can relax, tonight, as Mr Smirk works feverishly on his bucketload of shite memoirs, in the background. </p>
<p>This working family will be singin&#8217;&#8230;.<br />
&#8220;How I loves ya, how I loves ya, my dear old Swanny&#8221;<br />
&#8230;.as it is, indeed, a time of glorious change!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466471</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466471</guid>
		<description>I like to live in hope, Debbieanne!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to live in hope, Debbieanne!</p>
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		<title>By: Debbieanne</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466465</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbieanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466465</guid>
		<description>Mark @ 21 thy never have before. I used to work at Centrelimk, (1985-1998)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark @ 21 thy never have before. I used to work at Centrelimk, (1985-1998)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466454</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 06:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466454</guid>
		<description>Hopefully ones they've anticipated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully ones they&#8217;ve anticipated!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466453</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 06:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466453</guid>
		<description>Mark - yes I think it would be better delivered as income support than a lump sum which would help those who can't/don't budget. I've no problems with means testing welfare on family income, but then I also think it makes sense to base income tax on family income as well. 

Means testing is going to be a pretty tricky affair - does it depend on your income before the baby arrives or after, as the family income often changes quite significantly for at least a year. If its after, is it based on the financial year the baby arrives or 365 days after it arrives? If its the former then those families who have babies in june are going to be at a disadvantage compared to those who have them in July. Lots of pot-holes ahead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark - yes I think it would be better delivered as income support than a lump sum which would help those who can&#8217;t/don&#8217;t budget. I&#8217;ve no problems with means testing welfare on family income, but then I also think it makes sense to base income tax on family income as well. </p>
<p>Means testing is going to be a pretty tricky affair - does it depend on your income before the baby arrives or after, as the family income often changes quite significantly for at least a year. If its after, is it based on the financial year the baby arrives or 365 days after it arrives? If its the former then those families who have babies in june are going to be at a disadvantage compared to those who have them in July. Lots of pot-holes ahead!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466452</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 06:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466452</guid>
		<description>It's about the symbolism, I think, Chris.

Conventional wisdom on the baby bonus has it that it will either become a much smaller niche payment (probably delivered as income support over a period of months) or disappear altogether when they introduce paid maternity leave next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about the symbolism, I think, Chris.</p>
<p>Conventional wisdom on the baby bonus has it that it will either become a much smaller niche payment (probably delivered as income support over a period of months) or disappear altogether when they introduce paid maternity leave next year.</p>
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		<title>By: The Devil Drink</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466450</link>
		<dc:creator>The Devil Drink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 06:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466450</guid>
		<description>Bless you my child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bless you my child.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466449</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 06:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466449</guid>
		<description>Mark - means testing FTB part B is calculated to raise only about 10 million a year - kind of wonder if its worth it at that point.

Means testing of the baby bonus may lead to some interesting incentives regarding returning to work - eg encouraging mothers to take a bit longer off in order to get the bonus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark - means testing FTB part B is calculated to raise only about 10 million a year - kind of wonder if its worth it at that point.</p>
<p>Means testing of the baby bonus may lead to some interesting incentives regarding returning to work - eg encouraging mothers to take a bit longer off in order to get the bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466444</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 06:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466444</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Riffing off Kim riffing off Zoe’s crystal ball liveblogging, tigtog proposes a budget drinking game.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'll pick up some T**t Fuel on the way home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Riffing off Kim riffing off Zoe’s crystal ball liveblogging, tigtog proposes a budget drinking game.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll pick up some T**t Fuel on the way home.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercurius</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466392</link>
		<dc:creator>Mercurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466392</guid>
		<description>Wayne Swan's Budget ideas &lt;a href="http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6453&#038;page=0" rel="nofollow"&gt;seem strangely familiar to me&lt;/a&gt;

What a smart fellow he is!

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne Swan&#8217;s Budget ideas <a href="http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6453&#038;page=0" rel="nofollow">seem strangely familiar to me</a></p>
<p>What a smart fellow he is!<br />
 <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466375</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466375</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Family Tax Benefit Part B, which is paid to stay-at-home mothers regardless of household income.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23682162-5013404,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Family Tax Benefit Part B, which is paid to stay-at-home mothers regardless of household income.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23682162-5013404,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23682162-5013404,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466370</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466370</guid>
		<description>I thought Family tax rebate part B already was means tested. I'm sure at least one of them was last time I was able to claim it (2002).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Family tax rebate part B already was means tested. I&#8217;m sure at least one of them was last time I was able to claim it (2002).</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466360</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466360</guid>
		<description>Veltyen wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Far easier to stop at X number of cans&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Just as easy with a bottle as with premixed cans:  When the bottle is empty, stop drinking :-)

I must have been asleep when Labor announced they were going to do something with Family Tax Benefits.  Unfortunately, Swan has a slightly soporific effect when on the TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veltyen wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Far easier to stop at X number of cans</p></blockquote>
<p>Just as easy with a bottle as with premixed cans:  When the bottle is empty, stop drinking <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I must have been asleep when Labor announced they were going to do something with Family Tax Benefits.  Unfortunately, Swan has a slightly soporific effect when on the TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Veltyen</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466356</link>
		<dc:creator>Veltyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466356</guid>
		<description>As someone who started drinking pre-mixed drinks recently they have a couple of advantages.

On going out you know exact quantities, which is important for knowing when you can drive home. Oddly enough this isn't an issue for young people - who aren't allowed to drink and drive at all.

At home it stops the lack of judgement from excess consumption. Far easier to stop at X number of cans, far too easy to let the mix slip higher and higher due to impaired judgement as the night goes on, at the end of which you're throwing back glasses of whiskey with a shot of coke in them. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who started drinking pre-mixed drinks recently they have a couple of advantages.</p>
<p>On going out you know exact quantities, which is important for knowing when you can drive home. Oddly enough this isn&#8217;t an issue for young people - who aren&#8217;t allowed to drink and drive at all.</p>
<p>At home it stops the lack of judgement from excess consumption. Far easier to stop at X number of cans, far too easy to let the mix slip higher and higher due to impaired judgement as the night goes on, at the end of which you&#8217;re throwing back glasses of whiskey with a shot of coke in them. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466355</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466355</guid>
		<description>Means teasting the Family Tax Rebate B was an election promise, David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Means teasting the Family Tax Rebate B was an election promise, David.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466352</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466352</guid>
		<description>I wonder if they'll be brave enough to have a crack at the Family Tax Rebate quagmire.  It must be costing a fortune both in direct costs and the awesome amount of administration it must require.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if they&#8217;ll be brave enough to have a crack at the Family Tax Rebate quagmire.  It must be costing a fortune both in direct costs and the awesome amount of administration it must require.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466348</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466348</guid>
		<description>Tones is working himself up into a lather, as usual. Subtle he aint and moron he is. You would have to wonder how many liberal backbenchers would wish he would just shut up. He represents all that people got tired of and why we have a new government.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23689921-662,00.html
Frontbencher Tony Abbott said the Rudd government's first Budget was shaping up as anti-mothers and pro-bludgers.

"If it's true that they are going to means test the baby bonus and abolish work-for-the-dole ... this looks like being an anti-mother, pro-bludger Budget," Mr Abbott said at Parliament House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tones is working himself up into a lather, as usual. Subtle he aint and moron he is. You would have to wonder how many liberal backbenchers would wish he would just shut up. He represents all that people got tired of and why we have a new government.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23689921-662,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23689921-662,00.html</a><br />
Frontbencher Tony Abbott said the Rudd government&#8217;s first Budget was shaping up as anti-mothers and pro-bludgers.</p>
<p>&#8220;If it&#8217;s true that they are going to means test the baby bonus and abolish work-for-the-dole &#8230; this looks like being an anti-mother, pro-bludger Budget,&#8221; Mr Abbott said at Parliament House.</p>
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		<title>By: Desipis</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466338</link>
		<dc:creator>Desipis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466338</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How difficult is it to turn a bottle of scotch and a bottle of coke into a night’s entertainment? Shame shame etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It a lot easier to keep track of the number of drinks when consuming premixed for determine when one is sober enough to drive home. It also prevents the slide of ever increasing drink strength as the night wears on (and the drinkers become more experienced).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How difficult is it to turn a bottle of scotch and a bottle of coke into a night’s entertainment? Shame shame etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>It a lot easier to keep track of the number of drinks when consuming premixed for determine when one is sober enough to drive home. It also prevents the slide of ever increasing drink strength as the night wears on (and the drinkers become more experienced).</p>
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		<title>By: The Devil Drink</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466326</link>
		<dc:creator>The Devil Drink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/13/the-budget-rituals/#comment-466326</guid>
		<description>We're talking about teenagers here FDB. The long road to Islay malthood starts with a single warm slug of Johnny Walker Red, smuggled for sharing at the bottom of a handbag or in a pocket uncomforably close to the wearer's balls.
Also, irresponsible? Yes. Next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re talking about teenagers here FDB. The long road to Islay malthood starts with a single warm slug of Johnny Walker Red, smuggled for sharing at the bottom of a handbag or in a pocket uncomforably close to the wearer&#8217;s balls.<br />
Also, irresponsible? Yes. Next?</p>
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