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	<title>Comments on: Would do anything for re-election</title>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468627</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, thanks Kim.</description>
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		<title>By: spog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468601</link>
		<dc:creator>spog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 05:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468601</guid>
		<description>Paul @ 52

Just as long as you had a shower afterwards, your memorable first shouldn't do too much damage. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul @ 52</p>
<p>Just as long as you had a shower afterwards, your memorable first shouldn&#8217;t do too much damage. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468533</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468533</guid>
		<description>spog@47,
You have achieved a memorable first. You got me to look at the Liberal Party's website.
Okay. Thry made the promise. But, it was made by Howard so:
Was he telling the truth?
Was it a non-core promise?
Given Howard's record of lying, why should I believe anything he said?
As I noted in my previous comment, he hinted at further far-reaching reform of the welfare system in his policy speech. With Howard that can have meant only one thing. Turning our welfare system into an American style welfare system, where many of us would have ended up homeless and dying on the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spog@47,<br />
You have achieved a memorable first. You got me to look at the Liberal Party&#8217;s website.<br />
Okay. Thry made the promise. But, it was made by Howard so:<br />
Was he telling the truth?<br />
Was it a non-core promise?<br />
Given Howard&#8217;s record of lying, why should I believe anything he said?<br />
As I noted in my previous comment, he hinted at further far-reaching reform of the welfare system in his policy speech. With Howard that can have meant only one thing. Turning our welfare system into an American style welfare system, where many of us would have ended up homeless and dying on the street.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468507</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468507</guid>
		<description>Everyone:

Slightly off-topic and onto the said purpose of the demonstration:

The Leonid Brezhnev Prize for Economic Excellence has to go to Treasury and to Social  Security for their brilliant work in neglecting to tidy up their sloppy tax-collecting procedures but instead creating a labour shortage in some farming areas by cracking down on grey nomads earning a little money to pay for their caravan trips by picking fruit and vegetables.    Bloody brilliant!   It stands to reason, employing 457-visa workers to take their earnings out of Australia must boost the Australian economy, mustn't it?  

And what's this I hear about Veterans' Affairs cracking down on pensioners for doing too much volunteering?   Quick Norm, get back onto the lounge, crack a tinny and switch the TV on .... they're on to you!

Anyone having trouble making end meet while living on a pension might like to look at Lorikeet's list at comment No.25 on Andrew Bartlett's topic "'average' incomes" at http://andrewbartlett.com/blog/?p=2021#comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone:</p>
<p>Slightly off-topic and onto the said purpose of the demonstration:</p>
<p>The Leonid Brezhnev Prize for Economic Excellence has to go to Treasury and to Social  Security for their brilliant work in neglecting to tidy up their sloppy tax-collecting procedures but instead creating a labour shortage in some farming areas by cracking down on grey nomads earning a little money to pay for their caravan trips by picking fruit and vegetables.    Bloody brilliant!   It stands to reason, employing 457-visa workers to take their earnings out of Australia must boost the Australian economy, mustn&#8217;t it?  </p>
<p>And what&#8217;s this I hear about Veterans&#8217; Affairs cracking down on pensioners for doing too much volunteering?   Quick Norm, get back onto the lounge, crack a tinny and switch the TV on &#8230;. they&#8217;re on to you!</p>
<p>Anyone having trouble making end meet while living on a pension might like to look at Lorikeet&#8217;s list at comment No.25 on Andrew Bartlett&#8217;s topic &#8220;&#8216;average&#8217; incomes&#8221; at <a href="http://andrewbartlett.com/blog/?p=2021#comments" rel="nofollow">http://andrewbartlett.com/blog/?p=2021#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ambigulous</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468359</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambigulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 13:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468359</guid>
		<description>Amanda @ 7

those protesting taxi-drivers have got a lot to answer for!! They should be ashamed of theirselves. What have they unleashed?

Next Dr Nelson'll bring cans of dogfood into the Chamber along with fizzy kiddy drinks and PINK champagne, or perhap some ciggie butts he found in some 3am gutter. Does he SNIFF the gutters? Are there QUOKKAS in the gutters? Is Ted Baillieu an evil Communist who lounges around at Portsea? These are the burning questions of our times; and the press is doing a superb job in laying it all before us for our sober judgement and due consideration.

What did PJK mean by "throwing the switch to vaudeville?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda @ 7</p>
<p>those protesting taxi-drivers have got a lot to answer for!! They should be ashamed of theirselves. What have they unleashed?</p>
<p>Next Dr Nelson&#8217;ll bring cans of dogfood into the Chamber along with fizzy kiddy drinks and PINK champagne, or perhap some ciggie butts he found in some 3am gutter. Does he SNIFF the gutters? Are there QUOKKAS in the gutters? Is Ted Baillieu an evil Communist who lounges around at Portsea? These are the burning questions of our times; and the press is doing a superb job in laying it all before us for our sober judgement and due consideration.</p>
<p>What did PJK mean by &#8220;throwing the switch to vaudeville?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468344</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 12:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468344</guid>
		<description>Yep, it's the Henry committee I mentioned in the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, it&#8217;s the Henry committee I mentioned in the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468327</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 11:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468327</guid>
		<description>I think I read that the govt is going to do an overhaul of the welfare system which should result in a better outcome for pensioners. It's apparently going to happen this year, so there should be some results next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I read that the govt is going to do an overhaul of the welfare system which should result in a better outcome for pensioners. It&#8217;s apparently going to happen this year, so there should be some results next year.</p>
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		<title>By: spog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468270</link>
		<dc:creator>spog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 06:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468270</guid>
		<description>Well, that didn't seem to work.  This is the link:

http://www.liberal.org.au/about/documents/MoreSupportforPensioners.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that didn&#8217;t seem to work.  This is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.liberal.org.au/about/documents/MoreSupportforPensioners.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.liberal.org.au/about/documents/MoreSupportforPensioners.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: spog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468268</link>
		<dc:creator>spog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 05:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468268</guid>
		<description>Paul @ 43.

The Howard announcements copied by Rudd can be found here&lt;/a&gt; 

Just so you know I wasn't making it up!

Cheers</description>
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<p>The Howard announcements copied by Rudd can be found here </p>
<p>Just so you know I wasn&#8217;t making it up!</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468254</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 04:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468254</guid>
		<description>"This is why I am disgusted at calling Australia a “democracy” [wtf??] while we have an oligopoly news media that resembles that of a dictatorship …. I’ve been in a few and that is no exaggeration. Democracy cannot function without the free flow of public information. We are fed a diet of infotainment and advertorials and whatever “news” manages to slip through is so filtered that it deserves an evaluation of C3 or lower."

On "The Insiders", today, the panel strongly agreed that something had actually been done for pensioners in the recent budget. Of course, it was Wayne Swann's problem for not having "sold it". No mention of the journalists role to "report it". 

Australian established media is dangerously crappy as you say, Graham Bell, @39.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is why I am disgusted at calling Australia a “democracy” [wtf??] while we have an oligopoly news media that resembles that of a dictatorship …. I’ve been in a few and that is no exaggeration. Democracy cannot function without the free flow of public information. We are fed a diet of infotainment and advertorials and whatever “news” manages to slip through is so filtered that it deserves an evaluation of C3 or lower.&#8221;</p>
<p>On &#8220;The Insiders&#8221;, today, the panel strongly agreed that something had actually been done for pensioners in the recent budget. Of course, it was Wayne Swann&#8217;s problem for not having &#8220;sold it&#8221;. No mention of the journalists role to &#8220;report it&#8221;. </p>
<p>Australian established media is dangerously crappy as you say, Graham Bell, @39.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468207</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 01:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468207</guid>
		<description>Sorry, have been away from the computer and hadn't seen #5. It's been deleted.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Burns</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468200</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 00:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468200</guid>
		<description>Spog@25,
Now that was one Howardian promise re disabled people I never heard during the election campaign. In fact, the only thing I remember Howard saying about welfare during the election campaign was a veiled threat in his policy speech to virtually dismantlke the entire welfare system. Which was his dream about welfare. To get this socialist albatross out of his budget.And out of Australia.
Regret misunderstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spog@25,<br />
Now that was one Howardian promise re disabled people I never heard during the election campaign. In fact, the only thing I remember Howard saying about welfare during the election campaign was a veiled threat in his policy speech to virtually dismantlke the entire welfare system. Which was his dream about welfare. To get this socialist albatross out of his budget.And out of Australia.<br />
Regret misunderstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468191</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 23:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468191</guid>
		<description>Shouldn't #5 be deleted as a bit of a defamatory slur? It's clearly not Bartlett, and #6 simply pointing out it was a "sockpuppet" is probably not enough of a response.

PS I &lt;a href="http://anonymouslefty.blogspot.com/2008/05/wont-steven-please-think-of-children.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;warned about this on Monday&lt;/a&gt;. I had so hoped he wouldn't go through with it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t #5 be deleted as a bit of a defamatory slur? It&#8217;s clearly not Bartlett, and #6 simply pointing out it was a &#8220;sockpuppet&#8221; is probably not enough of a response.</p>
<p>PS I <a href="http://anonymouslefty.blogspot.com/2008/05/wont-steven-please-think-of-children.html" rel="nofollow">warned about this on Monday</a>. I had so hoped he wouldn&#8217;t go through with it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew E</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468189</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 23:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468189</guid>
		<description>I liked &lt;a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/shaun-carney/2008/05/16/1210765169660.html?page=fullpage" rel="nofollow"&gt;Shaun Carney's piece in &lt;i&gt;The Age&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; which shows that stunts aren't the preserve of minor parties - only those that no longer wish to be taken seriously as alternative governments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/shaun-carney/2008/05/16/1210765169660.html?page=fullpage" rel="nofollow">Shaun Carney&#8217;s piece in <i>The Age</i></a> which shows that stunts aren&#8217;t the preserve of minor parties - only those that no longer wish to be taken seriously as alternative governments.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468178</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 21:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468178</guid>
		<description>Nick Xenophon's whole act is about media stunts, so I'm not sure it will get any better.

Maybe they can perform their arsehat stunts together and save us some pain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Xenophon&#8217;s whole act is about media stunts, so I&#8217;m not sure it will get any better.</p>
<p>Maybe they can perform their arsehat stunts together and save us some pain?</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468162</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468162</guid>
		<description>David [20]:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Nice theory, but it winds up costing a lot more - &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh no it doesn't.   

A narrower example would be with Veterans' Affairs pensions - where by putting ALL war veterans on a form of income support, such as Service Pension modified so as to allow some real and unpunished participation in the workforce, would actually save money for the economy as a whole.   For a start, the Rorts-for-Rich-Doctors system of determining pensions would vanish [and help ease the doctor shortage] and highly-trained public service and statutory authority personnel would be released for more productive duties in places where they are desperately needed .... and that is only one of the huge savings that would be made by having a fairer, simpler and more efficient system. 

Andrew Bartlett [the real one - on 28]:

This is why I am disgusted at calling Australia a "democracy" [wtf??] while we have an oligopoly news media that resembles that of a dictatorship .... I've been in a few and that is no exaggeration.   Democracy cannot function without the free flow of public information.   We are fed a diet of infotainment and advertorials and whatever "news" manages to slip through is so filtered that it deserves an evaluation of C3 or lower.

Why the hell should our elected decision-makers have to perform monkey-tricks just to have an issue brought before more than a few dozen citizens?    While at the same time, the "news" media is chock-a-block full of the stupid antics of useless bimbos and dimwit 'celebrities' that we don't want to hear about. 

If we nationalized the news media, we could not possibly be worse off! 

b.t.w., hadn't noticed any change in the quality of your blogging at all since the election; did I miss something? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David [20]:</p>
<blockquote><p>Nice theory, but it winds up costing a lot more - </p></blockquote>
<p>Oh no it doesn&#8217;t.   </p>
<p>A narrower example would be with Veterans&#8217; Affairs pensions - where by putting ALL war veterans on a form of income support, such as Service Pension modified so as to allow some real and unpunished participation in the workforce, would actually save money for the economy as a whole.   For a start, the Rorts-for-Rich-Doctors system of determining pensions would vanish [and help ease the doctor shortage] and highly-trained public service and statutory authority personnel would be released for more productive duties in places where they are desperately needed &#8230;. and that is only one of the huge savings that would be made by having a fairer, simpler and more efficient system. </p>
<p>Andrew Bartlett [the real one - on 28]:</p>
<p>This is why I am disgusted at calling Australia a &#8220;democracy&#8221; [wtf??] while we have an oligopoly news media that resembles that of a dictatorship &#8230;. I&#8217;ve been in a few and that is no exaggeration.   Democracy cannot function without the free flow of public information.   We are fed a diet of infotainment and advertorials and whatever &#8220;news&#8221; manages to slip through is so filtered that it deserves an evaluation of C3 or lower.</p>
<p>Why the hell should our elected decision-makers have to perform monkey-tricks just to have an issue brought before more than a few dozen citizens?    While at the same time, the &#8220;news&#8221; media is chock-a-block full of the stupid antics of useless bimbos and dimwit &#8216;celebrities&#8217; that we don&#8217;t want to hear about. </p>
<p>If we nationalized the news media, we could not possibly be worse off! </p>
<p>b.t.w., hadn&#8217;t noticed any change in the quality of your blogging at all since the election; did I miss something? <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Norm D'Ploom</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468156</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm D'Ploom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 19:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468156</guid>
		<description>Derrida @22:
I don't have an opinion one way or the other on the thrust of your argument, but whenever I read the words "&lt;em&gt;The fact is that all serious studies of ..... in Australia find that...&lt;/em&gt; I automatically translate it into "&lt;em&gt;All the studies in Australia with which I agree find that...&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derrida @22:<br />
I don&#8217;t have an opinion one way or the other on the thrust of your argument, but whenever I read the words &#8220;<em>The fact is that all serious studies of &#8230;.. in Australia find that&#8230;</em> I automatically translate it into &#8220;<em>All the studies in Australia with which I agree find that&#8230;</em></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468107</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/17/would-do-anything-for-re-election/#comment-468107</guid>
		<description>Waaay too early to be guessing what parties might do with their preferences next election. How Fielding and the Greens will behave in balance of power situations after July is totally unknown, and that may influence Labor's preference decisions next time (although as I've said before, the immediate impact on the chances of winning House of Reps seats is by far the main factor in determining major party preference decisions). I'd tend to agree its more likely that Labor will put Greens ahead of Fielding in Vic, but Feral S is right in saying that Lib preferences may be the ones that matter next time, and Feral S is also right that a double dissolution would give Fielding &#38; FF a better chance of election. 

However it also means an early election (and thus earlier extinction if unsuccessful). If the 2007 election had been a double-d, FF would still have not won in Victoria (but might have been in the mix in SA and maybe one other state).

Leinad - I'm not sure if that's what I'm saying. People can do stunts if they like - major or minor parties. I'd prefer a slightly more discerning media coverage, and a willingness to ignore empty photo ops from all quarters. But the media have to sell papers/get ratings too, and I accept that earnest dissertations of solid policy solutions is never going to grab the interest of most people, so I don't expect things to change.

Most stunts are harmless (incl the one that's the subject of this post), and the people doing them have to weigh up for themselves whether they think they'll do themselves more harm than good.

Although I do wish the media wouldn't let party leaders get away with empty photo ops done SOLELY for the TV news shots during election campaigns using the excuse of releasing a dot point style policy. 

(Thanks also Kim - or whoever does these things - for deleting (the original) comment 5. (although I did only ask for a change to the commentors' name - makes some of the following comments appear a bit odd deleting the whole thing - not least Sam C's at the (new) 5). I'll be fielding slurs and cheap shots on that thing for the rest of my life I imagine, so the more times I can actually have a mildy correct version of reality appear on the ever-Googleable intertubes, the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waaay too early to be guessing what parties might do with their preferences next election. How Fielding and the Greens will behave in balance of power situations after July is totally unknown, and that may influence Labor&#8217;s preference decisions next time (although as I&#8217;ve said before, the immediate impact on the chances of winning House of Reps seats is by far the main factor in determining major party preference decisions). I&#8217;d tend to agree its more likely that Labor will put Greens ahead of Fielding in Vic, but Feral S is right in saying that Lib preferences may be the ones that matter next time, and Feral S is also right that a double dissolution would give Fielding &amp; FF a better chance of election. </p>
<p>However it also means an early election (and thus earlier extinction if unsuccessful). If the 2007 election had been a double-d, FF would still have not won in Victoria (but might have been in the mix in SA and maybe one other state).</p>
<p>Leinad - I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m saying. People can do stunts if they like - major or minor parties. I&#8217;d prefer a slightly more discerning media coverage, and a willingness to ignore empty photo ops from all quarters. But the media have to sell papers/get ratings too, and I accept that earnest dissertations of solid policy solutions is never going to grab the interest of most people, so I don&#8217;t expect things to change.</p>
<p>Most stunts are harmless (incl the one that&#8217;s the subject of this post), and the people doing them have to weigh up for themselves whether they think they&#8217;ll do themselves more harm than good.</p>
<p>Although I do wish the media wouldn&#8217;t let party leaders get away with empty photo ops done SOLELY for the TV news shots during election campaigns using the excuse of releasing a dot point style policy. </p>
<p>(Thanks also Kim - or whoever does these things - for deleting (the original) comment 5. (although I did only ask for a change to the commentors&#8217; name - makes some of the following comments appear a bit odd deleting the whole thing - not least Sam C&#8217;s at the (new) 5). I&#8217;ll be fielding slurs and cheap shots on that thing for the rest of my life I imagine, so the more times I can actually have a mildy correct version of reality appear on the ever-Googleable intertubes, the better.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 12:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real Andrew Bartlett did a bit of work on this dd scenario a while back and did not give steve much of a chance in vic. Trouble was, 2 ff cockroaches were likely to slip through other state door cracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real Andrew Bartlett did a bit of work on this dd scenario a while back and did not give steve much of a chance in vic. Trouble was, 2 ff cockroaches were likely to slip through other state door cracks.</p>
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		<title>By: philiptravers</title>
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		<dc:creator>philiptravers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 12:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems so easy to name a source that suggests this or that across the income spectrum.There are bound to be retired pensioners not doing well at all,because the universe they live in,is of different ages and incomes,and even vehicles! As a DSP or Special B P. that works,I find the latest attack on the unemployed,so very Liberal in Statement that Ludwig,must of been rehearsing every Liberal word on unemployed for years until today.So 11 years of Howard,then before that,and then before that.It seems more than coincidental,the troopers of Centrelink are going after the cheats,whilst Rome burns around the $150,000 mark.Labor is doing the same repair job the Libs did under Howard,the Pincer or Scorpio tail job.Whistling in the dog of jealousy and loathing,to secure the moral high ground.Who the hell is bloody Ludwig,and what does he know about trying to stay honest on the Dole!? From last night they decided to start insulting people.. Labor,after a harrowing moral week for them,where any thinking person could conclude from any income source,that if,all the necessities of this land and how to prioritise them was to pick on who,as starters, 'Libertarian Left', what sort of scumbag Christian would dog themself with a line like that!? The same scumbag torturer we have in the U.S.A. where Cheney rejected the idea of car-pooling as a way of being environmentally aware and practical.People here seem reluctant to see what sort of conniving idiot Rudd is.Just take a look at N.S.W. and Iemma,and there isnt much to see.Anyone can be the Libertarian Left,jump in a car together,crack some dirty jokes,and ,be concerned about how Police have beer bottles thrown at them,and in N.S.W. have a Minister like Campbell. War!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems so easy to name a source that suggests this or that across the income spectrum.There are bound to be retired pensioners not doing well at all,because the universe they live in,is of different ages and incomes,and even vehicles! As a DSP or Special B P. that works,I find the latest attack on the unemployed,so very Liberal in Statement that Ludwig,must of been rehearsing every Liberal word on unemployed for years until today.So 11 years of Howard,then before that,and then before that.It seems more than coincidental,the troopers of Centrelink are going after the cheats,whilst Rome burns around the $150,000 mark.Labor is doing the same repair job the Libs did under Howard,the Pincer or Scorpio tail job.Whistling in the dog of jealousy and loathing,to secure the moral high ground.Who the hell is bloody Ludwig,and what does he know about trying to stay honest on the Dole!? From last night they decided to start insulting people.. Labor,after a harrowing moral week for them,where any thinking person could conclude from any income source,that if,all the necessities of this land and how to prioritise them was to pick on who,as starters, &#8216;Libertarian Left&#8217;, what sort of scumbag Christian would dog themself with a line like that!? The same scumbag torturer we have in the U.S.A. where Cheney rejected the idea of car-pooling as a way of being environmentally aware and practical.People here seem reluctant to see what sort of conniving idiot Rudd is.Just take a look at N.S.W. and Iemma,and there isnt much to see.Anyone can be the Libertarian Left,jump in a car together,crack some dirty jokes,and ,be concerned about how Police have beer bottles thrown at them,and in N.S.W. have a Minister like Campbell. War!</p>
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