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	<title>Comments on: John McCain and the future of the Republicans</title>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 00:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave it to The New Yorker to completely miss all the actually important and relevant stuff.  As Bokonon used to say, &quot;Pay no attention to Caesar.  Caesar has no idea what&#039;s *really* going on.&quot;

&quot;Now I’m in Canada so I can say anything I like about the US of A! Ha!!!&quot;

No, in Canada, by law, you are only allowed to say bad things about America.  If you say good things, the Canadian &quot;Human Rights Commissions&quot; will put you on trial in a kangaroo court for hurting someone&#039;s feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave it to The New Yorker to completely miss all the actually important and relevant stuff.  As Bokonon used to say, &#8220;Pay no attention to Caesar.  Caesar has no idea what&#8217;s *really* going on.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Now I’m in Canada so I can say anything I like about the US of A! Ha!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>No, in Canada, by law, you are only allowed to say bad things about America.  If you say good things, the Canadian &#8220;Human Rights Commissions&#8221; will put you on trial in a kangaroo court for hurting someone&#8217;s feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I&#039;m in Canada so I can say anything I like about the US of A! Ha!!!

Anyway, the New Yorker has a very good piece, which I read on the flight here, about the problems the Republicans, and McCain, are facing as the &#039;long revolution&#039; of American conservatism is coming to a close.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/26/080526fa_fact_packer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Linked text&lt;/a&gt;	

The gist of it is that it had its origins with Barry Goldwater&#039;s loss in 1964, was refined by Richard Nixon around what they called &#039;positive polarization&#039;, had its peak with Ronald Reagan, got even more hard line with Newt Gingrich and the Republican-led congress in 1994, and has gone into decay and decadence under George W. Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;m in Canada so I can say anything I like about the US of A! Ha!!!</p>
<p>Anyway, the New Yorker has a very good piece, which I read on the flight here, about the problems the Republicans, and McCain, are facing as the &#8216;long revolution&#8217; of American conservatism is coming to a close.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/26/080526fa_fact_packer" rel="nofollow">Linked text</a>	</p>
<p>The gist of it is that it had its origins with Barry Goldwater&#8217;s loss in 1964, was refined by Richard Nixon around what they called &#8216;positive polarization&#8217;, had its peak with Ronald Reagan, got even more hard line with Newt Gingrich and the Republican-led congress in 1994, and has gone into decay and decadence under George W. Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Arnie didn’t face primaries because of the recall election, and McCain faced a field which (perhaps in retrospect) was so comically weak that he progressed in a canter.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think McCain&#039;s biggest advantage over his primary opponents was the organisational experience gained during the 2000 campaign.  It really showed against an opponent like Thompson whose positions were classically conservative and you&#039;d think more appealing to the base.  However Thompson&#039;s &quot;machine&quot; was amateurish by comparison.  Before they started, pundits would have told you McCain was comically weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Arnie didn’t face primaries because of the recall election, and McCain faced a field which (perhaps in retrospect) was so comically weak that he progressed in a canter.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think McCain&#8217;s biggest advantage over his primary opponents was the organisational experience gained during the 2000 campaign.  It really showed against an opponent like Thompson whose positions were classically conservative and you&#8217;d think more appealing to the base.  However Thompson&#8217;s &#8220;machine&#8221; was amateurish by comparison.  Before they started, pundits would have told you McCain was comically weak.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, sorry Terry, it looks like earlier, I was reading into your comment a meaning which you apparently didn&#039;t intend.  Apologies.  (In fairness, I think the sentence I quoted can plausibly be read as containing a loaded insinuation, but it needn&#039;t be read that way, and by your lights it shouldn&#039;t be, so, my bad.)  If you&#039;re here in the States and following this whole thing, doubtless you&#039;ve noted that all sorts of distracting coded irritants have been flying about with numbing regularity.  So perhaps you can appreciate the allergic nature of my response.

Pay no mind to the &quot;tenure track&quot; bit, it was a failed joke that missed its target and dropped harmlessly into the ocean, hundreds of miles off course.  (Then striking a hidden undersea coral reef, naturally, and unwittingly poisoning the habitat for millions of tiny starfish.  Baby Gaia cries!)

Cheers, enjoy your stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, sorry Terry, it looks like earlier, I was reading into your comment a meaning which you apparently didn&#8217;t intend.  Apologies.  (In fairness, I think the sentence I quoted can plausibly be read as containing a loaded insinuation, but it needn&#8217;t be read that way, and by your lights it shouldn&#8217;t be, so, my bad.)  If you&#8217;re here in the States and following this whole thing, doubtless you&#8217;ve noted that all sorts of distracting coded irritants have been flying about with numbing regularity.  So perhaps you can appreciate the allergic nature of my response.</p>
<p>Pay no mind to the &#8220;tenure track&#8221; bit, it was a failed joke that missed its target and dropped harmlessly into the ocean, hundreds of miles off course.  (Then striking a hidden undersea coral reef, naturally, and unwittingly poisoning the habitat for millions of tiny starfish.  Baby Gaia cries!)</p>
<p>Cheers, enjoy your stay.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j_p_z, erm, sorry ... mate. 

Still think most of what I said was right, tho&#039;. 

And for what&#039;s its worth, I don&#039;t need to worry about tenure-track. I&#039;m in the US because that part of my life is sorted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j_p_z, erm, sorry &#8230; mate. </p>
<p>Still think most of what I said was right, tho&#8217;. </p>
<p>And for what&#8217;s its worth, I don&#8217;t need to worry about tenure-track. I&#8217;m in the US because that part of my life is sorted.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting take on McCain in the &lt;i&gt;New York Review of Books&lt;/i&gt;:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21470</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take on McCain in the <i>New York Review of Books</i>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21470" rel="nofollow">http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21470</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j_p_z is an American, Terry...</description>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j_p_z, as my original post was on McCain and the Republicans, I am surprised that you are taking me to task for a view on Barack Obama. I didn&#039;t declare a view one way or another on Obama and his policies. If I have one, it would be a contribution to a different thread to this one. Also, if you are posting from Australia, I wouldn&#039;t think that these are our choices at all. Its the U.S. election, which I am observing as a visitor to the country.

I certainly don&#039;t think, and haven&#039;t said, that American pople not voting for Barack Obama if they are not African-American is somehow a marker of their racism, nor would I assume that people who are African-American would automatically vote for Obama on racial grounds regardless of policies. In an earlier post on Noel Pearson&#039;s views, I made the point that The Monthly was at fault in assuming that someone would be a expert on Obama&#039;s campaign because they are an Aboriginal Australian. I also noted in that post that there is a significant  black Republican/black conservative tradition in the U.S., of which Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice would be two of its most prominent members.

That said, if we have the first black candidate for U.S. President ever in 2008, they dynamics of that are unpredictable. It is unchartered territory, in a country where race questions suffuse its history and a stack of everyday issues, such as who lives where, job prospects, and exposure to the law. If Hillary Clinton were to be the Democrat nominee, gender would be a factor in voting patterns in ways that would also be hard to predict. 

&quot;I suppose you could even ride that horse to the tenure-track, at any number of ridiculous faculty departments.&quot; Not sure what is meant here.

&quot;white Americans’ increasing discomfort with this person is somehow an index of their racism&quot;. I think you may be the one over-generalising or projecting here. Hillary Clinton will win Kentucky, and Barack Obama will win Oregon (he had 75,000 people at a campaign rally in Portland on Sunday). Both outcomes will largely reflect the views of  &quot;white Americans&quot;. If Obama&#039;s support base was confined to African-Americans, we wouldn&#039;t be having this posting chat, as Hillary Clinton would long ago have been the Democrat nominee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j_p_z, as my original post was on McCain and the Republicans, I am surprised that you are taking me to task for a view on Barack Obama. I didn&#8217;t declare a view one way or another on Obama and his policies. If I have one, it would be a contribution to a different thread to this one. Also, if you are posting from Australia, I wouldn&#8217;t think that these are our choices at all. Its the U.S. election, which I am observing as a visitor to the country.</p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t think, and haven&#8217;t said, that American pople not voting for Barack Obama if they are not African-American is somehow a marker of their racism, nor would I assume that people who are African-American would automatically vote for Obama on racial grounds regardless of policies. In an earlier post on Noel Pearson&#8217;s views, I made the point that The Monthly was at fault in assuming that someone would be a expert on Obama&#8217;s campaign because they are an Aboriginal Australian. I also noted in that post that there is a significant  black Republican/black conservative tradition in the U.S., of which Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice would be two of its most prominent members.</p>
<p>That said, if we have the first black candidate for U.S. President ever in 2008, they dynamics of that are unpredictable. It is unchartered territory, in a country where race questions suffuse its history and a stack of everyday issues, such as who lives where, job prospects, and exposure to the law. If Hillary Clinton were to be the Democrat nominee, gender would be a factor in voting patterns in ways that would also be hard to predict. </p>
<p>&#8220;I suppose you could even ride that horse to the tenure-track, at any number of ridiculous faculty departments.&#8221; Not sure what is meant here.</p>
<p>&#8220;white Americans’ increasing discomfort with this person is somehow an index of their racism&#8221;. I think you may be the one over-generalising or projecting here. Hillary Clinton will win Kentucky, and Barack Obama will win Oregon (he had 75,000 people at a campaign rally in Portland on Sunday). Both outcomes will largely reflect the views of  &#8220;white Americans&#8221;. If Obama&#8217;s support base was confined to African-Americans, we wouldn&#8217;t be having this posting chat, as Hillary Clinton would long ago have been the Democrat nominee.</p>
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		<title>By: j_p_z</title>
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		<dc:creator>j_p_z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry: &quot;It is one thing for voters not to want the Republicans back, and another to help elect the first African-American president in American history.&quot;

This is overly simplistic, and in a way which approaches a back-door smear.  It is not a question of &quot;electing the first African-American president in history.&quot;  It is a question of what sort of person that president might turn out to be.  Plenty of whites would have voted for Colin Powell back in the 90s -- y&#039;know, those typical white people, with the guns and the Bibles and the bitterness and the bad dancing and the clapping on 1 and 3.

Barack Obama rose to prominence by creating the vivid early impression that he was not another old-fashioned &quot;race man,&quot; yet that is one of the things he increasingly appears to be, and it is not an attractive look in a candidate, for very good and well-founded reasons.  He is also peddling some pretty strong-smelling snake oil, I mean medicine, that is not racially fixated.  So the idea that white Americans&#039; increasing discomfort with this person is somehow an index of their racism is... well, I suppose you could even ride that horse to the tenure-track, at any number of ridiculous faculty departments.

&quot;There is the interesting question of whether it would be easier for a black Republican to get elected than a black Democrat.&quot;

There is also the still more interesting question of whether it would be easier for a black sane person to get elected, than a black crackpot.  Well, given that our choices seem to be between a black crackpot, a white crackpot (McCain), and a recovering crackpot (Hillary), it oughta be an interesting race indeed.  --Oops, I said that word, I better not do that.  I mean, an interesting *contest*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry: &#8220;It is one thing for voters not to want the Republicans back, and another to help elect the first African-American president in American history.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is overly simplistic, and in a way which approaches a back-door smear.  It is not a question of &#8220;electing the first African-American president in history.&#8221;  It is a question of what sort of person that president might turn out to be.  Plenty of whites would have voted for Colin Powell back in the 90s &#8212; y&#8217;know, those typical white people, with the guns and the Bibles and the bitterness and the bad dancing and the clapping on 1 and 3.</p>
<p>Barack Obama rose to prominence by creating the vivid early impression that he was not another old-fashioned &#8220;race man,&#8221; yet that is one of the things he increasingly appears to be, and it is not an attractive look in a candidate, for very good and well-founded reasons.  He is also peddling some pretty strong-smelling snake oil, I mean medicine, that is not racially fixated.  So the idea that white Americans&#8217; increasing discomfort with this person is somehow an index of their racism is&#8230; well, I suppose you could even ride that horse to the tenure-track, at any number of ridiculous faculty departments.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is the interesting question of whether it would be easier for a black Republican to get elected than a black Democrat.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is also the still more interesting question of whether it would be easier for a black sane person to get elected, than a black crackpot.  Well, given that our choices seem to be between a black crackpot, a white crackpot (McCain), and a recovering crackpot (Hillary), it oughta be an interesting race indeed.  &#8211;Oops, I said that word, I better not do that.  I mean, an interesting *contest*.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something that McCain also shares with Arnie was the lack of a need to pander greatly to the base during the primaries. Arnie didn&#039;t face primaries because of the recall election, and McCain faced a field which (perhaps in retrospect) was so comically weak that he progressed in a canter. He still pandered, but not to the extent he would have had to if he was to have won in 2000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that McCain also shares with Arnie was the lack of a need to pander greatly to the base during the primaries. Arnie didn&#8217;t face primaries because of the recall election, and McCain faced a field which (perhaps in retrospect) was so comically weak that he progressed in a canter. He still pandered, but not to the extent he would have had to if he was to have won in 2000.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree with Craig that they are not great odds for Obama. It is one thing for voters not to want the Republicans back, and another to help elect the first African-American president in American history. The Republicans also have a well-oiled election machinery - my point is that its &#039;attack mode&#039; doesn&#039;t seem to fit McCain&#039;s aspirations all that well (witness Kevin James in attached video). 

There is the interesting question of whether it would be easier for a black Republican to get elected than a black Democrat. A lot hinges on where Hillary Clinton&#039;s voters go in the states that matter (Ohio, Nevada, California and Pennsylvania, not West Virginia and Kentucky). 

The Democrats will definitely get the majority in Congress. It is right that they are as much a bunch of rorters as the Republican Congress, but voter blame the President, not the Congress, for the economic mess. Given that GW Bush had a Republican majority in both houses for six years, which Bill Clinton didn&#039;t have, you&#039;d have to say that they have a point. 

The only Presidential candidates who would take on Congress in the name of fiscal conservatism are Bob Barr for the Libertarian Party (ex-Republican) and Ron Paul, whose campaign for the Republican nomination continues to plug on and get some votes in the Republican primaries. The fact that these candidates are around indicates real disgruntlement among conservatives with the Bush years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree with Craig that they are not great odds for Obama. It is one thing for voters not to want the Republicans back, and another to help elect the first African-American president in American history. The Republicans also have a well-oiled election machinery &#8211; my point is that its &#8216;attack mode&#8217; doesn&#8217;t seem to fit McCain&#8217;s aspirations all that well (witness Kevin James in attached video). </p>
<p>There is the interesting question of whether it would be easier for a black Republican to get elected than a black Democrat. A lot hinges on where Hillary Clinton&#8217;s voters go in the states that matter (Ohio, Nevada, California and Pennsylvania, not West Virginia and Kentucky). </p>
<p>The Democrats will definitely get the majority in Congress. It is right that they are as much a bunch of rorters as the Republican Congress, but voter blame the President, not the Congress, for the economic mess. Given that GW Bush had a Republican majority in both houses for six years, which Bill Clinton didn&#8217;t have, you&#8217;d have to say that they have a point. </p>
<p>The only Presidential candidates who would take on Congress in the name of fiscal conservatism are Bob Barr for the Libertarian Party (ex-Republican) and Ron Paul, whose campaign for the Republican nomination continues to plug on and get some votes in the Republican primaries. The fact that these candidates are around indicates real disgruntlement among conservatives with the Bush years.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$2.75?  I better get some of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$2.75?  I better get some of that.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I expect we’ll see a McCain presidency&quot;

I&#039;ll take a piece of that. What odds you offering?

Some current odds are:

Barack Obama  	1.75  @    	[Centrebet]
John McCain 	2.75  @   	[Bet-at-home] [Centrebet]
Hilary Clinton 	9.50  @   	[Intertops] 
Al Gore  	41.00  @    	[Intertops]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I expect we’ll see a McCain presidency&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take a piece of that. What odds you offering?</p>
<p>Some current odds are:</p>
<p>Barack Obama  	1.75  @    	[Centrebet]<br />
John McCain 	2.75  @   	[Bet-at-home] [Centrebet]<br />
Hilary Clinton 	9.50  @   	[Intertops]<br />
Al Gore  	41.00  @    	[Intertops]</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Long time since I read that book!&quot;
Now is a good time to read it again then! Your right, Obama does kind of look like a McGovern and Clinton looks like a Muskie/Humphrey chump. But the big difference is that there&#039;s no Nixon siting in the GOP camp salivating at the prospect of ripping the Democratic candiate into strips if meat.  
Instead we have a pretty tired old man who&#039;s going to do a pretty poor job trying to act like a new man while pleading with the ChristoFacists not to desert him. The boot is on the other foot this time, Obama can play it cool, not get crunched by the party machine (i.e the Clintons) and the deal-making at the convention and then he can afford to put his feet up and let McCain explain the unholy mess the USA, courtesy of the GOP, finds itself in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Long time since I read that book!&#8221;<br />
Now is a good time to read it again then! Your right, Obama does kind of look like a McGovern and Clinton looks like a Muskie/Humphrey chump. But the big difference is that there&#8217;s no Nixon siting in the GOP camp salivating at the prospect of ripping the Democratic candiate into strips if meat.<br />
Instead we have a pretty tired old man who&#8217;s going to do a pretty poor job trying to act like a new man while pleading with the ChristoFacists not to desert him. The boot is on the other foot this time, Obama can play it cool, not get crunched by the party machine (i.e the Clintons) and the deal-making at the convention and then he can afford to put his feet up and let McCain explain the unholy mess the USA, courtesy of the GOP, finds itself in.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 01:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t mistake incumbency hostility for party unpopularity.  The new democratic congress is as unpopular as Bush.  It&#039;s not so much as one party vs another as it is the whole institution of congress.  It&#039;s hard to argue with the view that it stinks, as both chambers have devolved into grand-standing, point-scoring, feather-bedded, wagon-circling, pork-barreling wombats.

The Republicans seem to think more of the same will fix their standing when what is really needed is a major behavioral purge much like they promised, but only partially delivered during the Clinton years.  Allowing line-item vetoes, eliminating riders on budget bills or other legislation, and generally getting rid of bogus earmarks would be a winner for either party.  Sadly both parties are as bad as each other.  Purging some of the more egregious legal offenders would also lift opinions, however they&#039;ll gladly block FBI investigations today so that they themselves are protected tomorrow.

Another thing: the two parties are broad churches with little party discipline.  The new southern democrats are viewed with utter hostility by their brethren on the party&#039;s left, much like Joe Lieberman was until they cut off their senator to spite their party.  Just because the brand changes doesn&#039;t mean votes in the chamber will.

Incumbency counts against the Republicans at this congressional election.  I expect we&#039;ll see a McCain presidency with a Democrat congress.  Neither side will be happy with their choices but the Republicans will be more prepared to hold their nose and vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t mistake incumbency hostility for party unpopularity.  The new democratic congress is as unpopular as Bush.  It&#8217;s not so much as one party vs another as it is the whole institution of congress.  It&#8217;s hard to argue with the view that it stinks, as both chambers have devolved into grand-standing, point-scoring, feather-bedded, wagon-circling, pork-barreling wombats.</p>
<p>The Republicans seem to think more of the same will fix their standing when what is really needed is a major behavioral purge much like they promised, but only partially delivered during the Clinton years.  Allowing line-item vetoes, eliminating riders on budget bills or other legislation, and generally getting rid of bogus earmarks would be a winner for either party.  Sadly both parties are as bad as each other.  Purging some of the more egregious legal offenders would also lift opinions, however they&#8217;ll gladly block FBI investigations today so that they themselves are protected tomorrow.</p>
<p>Another thing: the two parties are broad churches with little party discipline.  The new southern democrats are viewed with utter hostility by their brethren on the party&#8217;s left, much like Joe Lieberman was until they cut off their senator to spite their party.  Just because the brand changes doesn&#8217;t mean votes in the chamber will.</p>
<p>Incumbency counts against the Republicans at this congressional election.  I expect we&#8217;ll see a McCain presidency with a Democrat congress.  Neither side will be happy with their choices but the Republicans will be more prepared to hold their nose and vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Down and Out of Sài Gòn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Down and Out of Sài Gòn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 01:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can catch the new McCain ad at &lt;a href=&quot;http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/18/2013/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crooked Timber&lt;/a&gt;. Crazy it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can catch the new McCain ad at <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/18/2013/" rel="nofollow">Crooked Timber</a>. Crazy it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 01:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long time since I read that book! I don&#039;t think that McCain comes across as a &#039;new kind of politician&#039; at all. The person who faces the biggest challenge in that respect is Barack Obama, who definitely has to deal with the contradictory pulls of &#039;new politics&#039; and traditional Democrat strategy. 

I wonder if the discussion about the Republicans has relevance in Australia, where the Liberals are torn between &#039;conservative&#039; and &#039;centrist&#039; strands and strategies.  

McCain is a mile ahead of Brendan Nelson as a politician, but the congressional Republican are a pretty mixed-up lot, who now feel that they over-invested in GW Bush Jr., now to their electoral cost. Some feel the same about the Liberals and Howard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time since I read that book! I don&#8217;t think that McCain comes across as a &#8216;new kind of politician&#8217; at all. The person who faces the biggest challenge in that respect is Barack Obama, who definitely has to deal with the contradictory pulls of &#8216;new politics&#8217; and traditional Democrat strategy. </p>
<p>I wonder if the discussion about the Republicans has relevance in Australia, where the Liberals are torn between &#8216;conservative&#8217; and &#8216;centrist&#8217; strands and strategies.  </p>
<p>McCain is a mile ahead of Brendan Nelson as a politician, but the congressional Republican are a pretty mixed-up lot, who now feel that they over-invested in GW Bush Jr., now to their electoral cost. Some feel the same about the Liberals and Howard.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 00:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just finished re-reading Hunter Thompson&#039;s &quot;Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail 1972&quot; in which he concludes that McGovern failed so badly because he threw off the &quot;new kind of politician&quot; image and reverted to the standard Democratic candidate model, largely in an effort to win back the mainstream Democratic power-brokers who&#039;d been trounced at the Miami convention. Could be that McCain&#039;s heading in the same direction. Unfortunately HST is no longer around to give us the benefit of his wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just finished re-reading Hunter Thompson&#8217;s &#8220;Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail 1972&#8243; in which he concludes that McGovern failed so badly because he threw off the &#8220;new kind of politician&#8221; image and reverted to the standard Democratic candidate model, largely in an effort to win back the mainstream Democratic power-brokers who&#8217;d been trounced at the Miami convention. Could be that McCain&#8217;s heading in the same direction. Unfortunately HST is no longer around to give us the benefit of his wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 16:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that the Arnie strategy relies on is the Republicans in the state legislature being a bunch of unreconstructed kooks. He runs against them as much as he runs against Democrats and does the whole &quot;post-ideological&quot; thing with the prominence of his wife Maria Shriver (Kennedy&#039;s niece) in politics and several Democrats in key staff positions.

This strategy might work for McCain as the House Republicans in particular (and a number of Senators) are about as popular as ... well... what&#039;s a really unpopular thing? But the problem you don&#039;t address, Terry, is that McCain&#039;s campaign is broke and he has to tack right to raise money from &quot;the base&quot;. 

I&#039;m also thinking the position from which he&#039;s attacked Obama so far puts him too close to Bush&#039;s. It&#039;s one thing to be a &quot;maverick&quot; Republican, but what happens when he&#039;s running against a Democrat like Obama? Does he revert to traditional GOPspeak? In which case, does he forget the &quot;reaching out&quot; to Democrats and Independents?

It&#039;s going to be a much more interesting general election campaign than primary season in many ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that the Arnie strategy relies on is the Republicans in the state legislature being a bunch of unreconstructed kooks. He runs against them as much as he runs against Democrats and does the whole &#8220;post-ideological&#8221; thing with the prominence of his wife Maria Shriver (Kennedy&#8217;s niece) in politics and several Democrats in key staff positions.</p>
<p>This strategy might work for McCain as the House Republicans in particular (and a number of Senators) are about as popular as &#8230; well&#8230; what&#8217;s a really unpopular thing? But the problem you don&#8217;t address, Terry, is that McCain&#8217;s campaign is broke and he has to tack right to raise money from &#8220;the base&#8221;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also thinking the position from which he&#8217;s attacked Obama so far puts him too close to Bush&#8217;s. It&#8217;s one thing to be a &#8220;maverick&#8221; Republican, but what happens when he&#8217;s running against a Democrat like Obama? Does he revert to traditional GOPspeak? In which case, does he forget the &#8220;reaching out&#8221; to Democrats and Independents?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be a much more interesting general election campaign than primary season in many ways.</p>
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