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	<title>Comments on: Open Whoverse Thread</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/</link>
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		<title>By: Spicediver</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-501428</link>
		<dc:creator>Spicediver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-501428</guid>
		<description>I think John Pertwee and Tom Baker were the best Doctors, and that's party because of the quality of the scripts they had. The crap special effects didn't matter. The best stories took a few solid sci-fi/horror/fantasy ideas and spun them out beautifully over 100 or 150 minutes (which was 4 or 6 episodes).

The revamped Doctor Who occasionally really works for me - both Ecclestone and Tennant are good actors and the Cybermen and Dalek episodes generally rocked - but about half of the shows I end up switching off or tuning out before the end.

Why?

1) Too many ideas too fast: the average story now lasts 50 minutes. Proper exposition is a good thing in sci-fi and you might have noticed that many of the best stories in the new format have been the two-parters. Perhaps executive producer Russell T Davies is under the impression that modern TV audiences suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder whereas audiences of 30 years ago did not. That's an urban myth in my opinion.

2) The soaking-wet sentimental bombast of it all: overblown music and characters constantly shedding tears does not a genuine emotion make. Does the producer not trust his writers? Does the producer not trust himself? (Davis is also lead writer).

I grew up with Baker and Pertwee so perhaps I'm just old fashioned. Yet other modern sci-fi shows like Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek Voyager have impressed me greatly.

My two cents worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think John Pertwee and Tom Baker were the best Doctors, and that&#8217;s party because of the quality of the scripts they had. The crap special effects didn&#8217;t matter. The best stories took a few solid sci-fi/horror/fantasy ideas and spun them out beautifully over 100 or 150 minutes (which was 4 or 6 episodes).</p>
<p>The revamped Doctor Who occasionally really works for me - both Ecclestone and Tennant are good actors and the Cybermen and Dalek episodes generally rocked - but about half of the shows I end up switching off or tuning out before the end.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>1) Too many ideas too fast: the average story now lasts 50 minutes. Proper exposition is a good thing in sci-fi and you might have noticed that many of the best stories in the new format have been the two-parters. Perhaps executive producer Russell T Davies is under the impression that modern TV audiences suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder whereas audiences of 30 years ago did not. That&#8217;s an urban myth in my opinion.</p>
<p>2) The soaking-wet sentimental bombast of it all: overblown music and characters constantly shedding tears does not a genuine emotion make. Does the producer not trust his writers? Does the producer not trust himself? (Davis is also lead writer).</p>
<p>I grew up with Baker and Pertwee so perhaps I&#8217;m just old fashioned. Yet other modern sci-fi shows like Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek Voyager have impressed me greatly.</p>
<p>My two cents worth.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473993</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473993</guid>
		<description>I liked Martha a lot as well.  I'm glad to see that she's still popping up in the new seasons of Doctor Who and Torchwood.

Ace was fantastic! and Romana was awesomely cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked Martha a lot as well.  I&#8217;m glad to see that she&#8217;s still popping up in the new seasons of Doctor Who and Torchwood.</p>
<p>Ace was fantastic! and Romana was awesomely cool.</p>
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		<title>By: arielladrake</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473813</link>
		<dc:creator>arielladrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473813</guid>
		<description>tigtog: regarding Rose, I've generally been rather 'eh' about companions at a conceptual level, though Rose was okay in her first season, but into the second season it just got ridiculous. Though I will admit that a chunk of my resentment ended up being a result of nasty fandom spats (the Rose-cultishness among new fans is ... interesting) and really creepy racist readings of Martha (who I thought was quite awesome) that made me want to throw shit.

I miss Ace and Romana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tigtog: regarding Rose, I&#8217;ve generally been rather &#8216;eh&#8217; about companions at a conceptual level, though Rose was okay in her first season, but into the second season it just got ridiculous. Though I will admit that a chunk of my resentment ended up being a result of nasty fandom spats (the Rose-cultishness among new fans is &#8230; interesting) and really creepy racist readings of Martha (who I thought was quite awesome) that made me want to throw shit.</p>
<p>I miss Ace and Romana.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473338</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 04:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473338</guid>
		<description>This thread looks like a okay place to ask this question.  Could someone tell me (new Australian) - will we be getting the 4th series of Battlestar Galactic on free-to-air?  And if so where?  And when?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread looks like a okay place to ask this question.  Could someone tell me (new Australian) - will we be getting the 4th series of Battlestar Galactic on free-to-air?  And if so where?  And when?</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473265</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473265</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;generally, in the battle of ‘good actor’ v ‘crap episode’, crap episode wins almost every time&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's as it should be I'm sure.  I merely suggest that a familiarity with a particular actor's mannerisms etc can sometimes elicit a sense of fondness as well, which tends to improve one's perception of the narrative/effects/maguffin/resolution.

Tangent:  Derek Jacobi these days is actually a monument to the skill of the makeup team on I, CLAVDIVS all those years ago, who aged him for that part - it was pretty accurate except that Sir Derek has better hair than CLAVDIVS did.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Ah, just a day or so until the new Moffat episode. In a scary library. With scary shadow monsters. And Alex Kingston. In a space suit. Mmmm.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Oh yes, the trailers for that one look marvellous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>generally, in the battle of ‘good actor’ v ‘crap episode’, crap episode wins almost every time</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s as it should be I&#8217;m sure.  I merely suggest that a familiarity with a particular actor&#8217;s mannerisms etc can sometimes elicit a sense of fondness as well, which tends to improve one&#8217;s perception of the narrative/effects/maguffin/resolution.</p>
<p>Tangent:  Derek Jacobi these days is actually a monument to the skill of the makeup team on I, CLAVDIVS all those years ago, who aged him for that part - it was pretty accurate except that Sir Derek has better hair than CLAVDIVS did.</p>
<blockquote><p>Ah, just a day or so until the new Moffat episode. In a scary library. With scary shadow monsters. And Alex Kingston. In a space suit. Mmmm.</p></blockquote>
<p> Oh yes, the trailers for that one look marvellous.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473174</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473174</guid>
		<description>Tigtog@46: Michelle Gomez apparently is pretty keen to play the Doctor, but we're probably more likely at this stage to get her husband Jack Davenport. 

Ah, just a day or so until the new Moffat episode. In a scary library. With scary shadow monsters. And Alex Kingston. In a space suit. Mmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tigtog@46: Michelle Gomez apparently is pretty keen to play the Doctor, but we&#8217;re probably more likely at this stage to get her husband Jack Davenport. </p>
<p>Ah, just a day or so until the new Moffat episode. In a scary library. With scary shadow monsters. And Alex Kingston. In a space suit. Mmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl rosin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473107</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473107</guid>
		<description>"for those of us who watch a lot of Brit TV, John Simms as the Master was YAY! For those who’d never seen him in anything before, quite possibly not so much."

I don't think I've heard of any of those 'stars', except for Father Dougal and Jacobi, who I know only by reputation and for his voice. It's never occurred to me that they are 'guest stars' and suddenly that Miles piece, 'Bring me sunshine monsters' in comment 50 makes even more sense. And I just this moment got the pun with 'sunshine' and '42'. Yes, I definitely have a new favourite TV critic.

So no, it doesn't matter for me. But generally, in the battle of 'good actor' v 'crap episode', crap episode wins almost every time.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;for those of us who watch a lot of Brit TV, John Simms as the Master was YAY! For those who’d never seen him in anything before, quite possibly not so much.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve heard of any of those &#8217;stars&#8217;, except for Father Dougal and Jacobi, who I know only by reputation and for his voice. It&#8217;s never occurred to me that they are &#8216;guest stars&#8217; and suddenly that Miles piece, &#8216;Bring me sunshine monsters&#8217; in comment 50 makes even more sense. And I just this moment got the pun with &#8217;sunshine&#8217; and &#8216;42&#8242;. Yes, I definitely have a new favourite TV critic.</p>
<p>So no, it doesn&#8217;t matter for me. But generally, in the battle of &#8216;good actor&#8217; v &#8216;crap episode&#8217;, crap episode wins almost every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473096</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473096</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder how much some of these sharp divisions on who likes whom in the Whoverse come down to familiarity, or not, with certain actors playing the parts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't think it's that for me ... I liked Catherine Tate from her sketch show before she was on Who, and I didn't mind Billie Piper at all for the first year she was on, even though (or because) I was only vaguely aware that she was already very well known in the UK. It was more the way the stories eventually seemed to revolve almost entirely around her and her mum or her dad or her boyfriend or all of them in some way. Even that was ok to begin with but the show turned into Eastenders with a TARDIS! Not what I signed up for.

Having said that, it does often work the other way ... I'd let out a very manly SQUEEEEEE!!!!11 if Mark Heap became the new Doctor, for example!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder how much some of these sharp divisions on who likes whom in the Whoverse come down to familiarity, or not, with certain actors playing the parts.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that for me &#8230; I liked Catherine Tate from her sketch show before she was on Who, and I didn&#8217;t mind Billie Piper at all for the first year she was on, even though (or because) I was only vaguely aware that she was already very well known in the UK. It was more the way the stories eventually seemed to revolve almost entirely around her and her mum or her dad or her boyfriend or all of them in some way. Even that was ok to begin with but the show turned into Eastenders with a TARDIS! Not what I signed up for.</p>
<p>Having said that, it does often work the other way &#8230; I&#8217;d let out a very manly SQUEEEEEE!!!!11 if Mark Heap became the new Doctor, for example!</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473083</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473083</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;images of a gritty, macho re-imagining of “Happy Days”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

SUBSCRIBE!!!1!1!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>images of a gritty, macho re-imagining of “Happy Days”</p></blockquote>
<p>SUBSCRIBE!!!1!1!!</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473078</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473078</guid>
		<description>My favourite episode of the new series could very easily be Season Two's "Love and Monsters" (the one with Elton Pope, the Abzorbaloff and the music of ELO and without much of the Doctor and Rose). So I'm loving &lt;a href="http://beasthouse-lm2.blogspot.com/2007/06/bring-me-sunshine-monsters.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Lawrence Miles' piece&lt;/a&gt;, which starts off about the forgettable "42" but quickly veers off into a very fertile reflection on Doctor Who as "the Morecambe and Wise Show with Monsters". I might just have a new favourite TV critic.

PS "it cloaks them in a gritty, macho aesthetic" Ah! Where can I download some of that for meself? And why am I suddenly stuck with images of a gritty, macho re-imagining of "Happy Days", replete with Korean war vets, valium addicts, beats, junkies, knife fights and abstract expressionism? And Richie and Ralph get On the Bus with Ken Kesey instead of joining the Army and going to Greenland. Clearly, it is late and I should go to bed.

d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favourite episode of the new series could very easily be Season Two&#8217;s &#8220;Love and Monsters&#8221; (the one with Elton Pope, the Abzorbaloff and the music of ELO and without much of the Doctor and Rose). So I&#8217;m loving <a href="http://beasthouse-lm2.blogspot.com/2007/06/bring-me-sunshine-monsters.html" rel="nofollow">Lawrence Miles&#8217; piece</a>, which starts off about the forgettable &#8220;42&#8243; but quickly veers off into a very fertile reflection on Doctor Who as &#8220;the Morecambe and Wise Show with Monsters&#8221;. I might just have a new favourite TV critic.</p>
<p>PS &#8220;it cloaks them in a gritty, macho aesthetic&#8221; Ah! Where can I download some of that for meself? And why am I suddenly stuck with images of a gritty, macho re-imagining of &#8220;Happy Days&#8221;, replete with Korean war vets, valium addicts, beats, junkies, knife fights and abstract expressionism? And Richie and Ralph get On the Bus with Ken Kesey instead of joining the Army and going to Greenland. Clearly, it is late and I should go to bed.</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473065</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-473065</guid>
		<description>I wonder how much some of these sharp divisions on who likes whom in the Whoverse come down to familiarity, or not, with certain actors playing the parts.

My hypothesis: for those of us who watch a lot of Brit TV, John Simms as the Master was YAY!  For those who'd never seen him in anything before, quite possibly not so much.  And perhaps the same with some of the other actors who appear. (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penelope_Wilton" rel="nofollow"&gt;Harriet Jones&lt;/a&gt;? &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annette_Badland" rel="nofollow"&gt;Margaret Blaine&lt;/a&gt;? &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zo%C3%AB_Wanamaker" rel="nofollow"&gt;Lady Cassandra&lt;/a&gt;? &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Pegg" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Editor&lt;/a&gt;? &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wilson_%28Scottish_actor%29" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dr Constantine&lt;/a&gt;? &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardal_O%27Hanlon" rel="nofollow"&gt;Thomas Kincade Brannigan&lt;/a&gt;? &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Hynes" rel="nofollow"&gt;Joan Redfern&lt;/a&gt;? &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Derek_Jacobi" rel="nofollow"&gt;Professor Yana&lt;/a&gt;?)  They may be veteran British thespians and very familiar and well beloved to some of us, but to others they don't have all that cred propping them up.  Does that matter or not?

Rose seems rather polarising as well.  Obviously this part was Billie Piper's big return to the public consciousness after spending quite a few years partying with the much older DJ husband she married at age 19 (since divorced), but Britain seems to still love her.  Are those who loathe Rose familiar with Billie or not?  I knew of her through gossip mags only until she was cast as Rose.  I happen to think that she's fabulous, and the other parts she's taken on and the technique and talent she displays will, I predict, make her an acknowledged star of the Brit dramatic Establishment in fairly short order.  She's now married into the Fox clan, which can't hurt.

P.S. To Nick regarding whether Mark Heap is too old to play the Doctor - as he showed us all in the finale Xmas special of &lt;i&gt;Green Wing&lt;/i&gt;, he has serious runner's legs.  They look like they do half-marathons regularly along with his acrobatic workouts.  I don't think fitness would be a problem.

P.P.S. I did notice the Neil Gaiman speculation as well.  I do have a few reservations about them both solo, but as part of a team approach I can imagine it working very well indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much some of these sharp divisions on who likes whom in the Whoverse come down to familiarity, or not, with certain actors playing the parts.</p>
<p>My hypothesis: for those of us who watch a lot of Brit TV, John Simms as the Master was YAY!  For those who&#8217;d never seen him in anything before, quite possibly not so much.  And perhaps the same with some of the other actors who appear. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penelope_Wilton" rel="nofollow">Harriet Jones</a>? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annette_Badland" rel="nofollow">Margaret Blaine</a>? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zo%C3%AB_Wanamaker" rel="nofollow">Lady Cassandra</a>? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Pegg" rel="nofollow">The Editor</a>? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wilson_%28Scottish_actor%29" rel="nofollow">Dr Constantine</a>? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardal_O%27Hanlon" rel="nofollow">Thomas Kincade Brannigan</a>? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Hynes" rel="nofollow">Joan Redfern</a>? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Derek_Jacobi" rel="nofollow">Professor Yana</a>?)  They may be veteran British thespians and very familiar and well beloved to some of us, but to others they don&#8217;t have all that cred propping them up.  Does that matter or not?</p>
<p>Rose seems rather polarising as well.  Obviously this part was Billie Piper&#8217;s big return to the public consciousness after spending quite a few years partying with the much older DJ husband she married at age 19 (since divorced), but Britain seems to still love her.  Are those who loathe Rose familiar with Billie or not?  I knew of her through gossip mags only until she was cast as Rose.  I happen to think that she&#8217;s fabulous, and the other parts she&#8217;s taken on and the technique and talent she displays will, I predict, make her an acknowledged star of the Brit dramatic Establishment in fairly short order.  She&#8217;s now married into the Fox clan, which can&#8217;t hurt.</p>
<p>P.S. To Nick regarding whether Mark Heap is too old to play the Doctor - as he showed us all in the finale Xmas special of <i>Green Wing</i>, he has serious runner&#8217;s legs.  They look like they do half-marathons regularly along with his acrobatic workouts.  I don&#8217;t think fitness would be a problem.</p>
<p>P.P.S. I did notice the Neil Gaiman speculation as well.  I do have a few reservations about them both solo, but as part of a team approach I can imagine it working very well indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472984</link>
		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 09:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472984</guid>
		<description>Brett, agree 100% on favourite Doctors and also loathed Rose. I couldn't understand why the Doctor didn't tell her to pull herself together like Tom Baker would have or just kick the silly bint out of the Tardis! 
I must admit I haven't watched the Doctor for ages, so must start again. Obviously haven't seen the new Master, but he'd have to go a long way to beat the old one (can't think of the actor's name).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett, agree 100% on favourite Doctors and also loathed Rose. I couldn&#8217;t understand why the Doctor didn&#8217;t tell her to pull herself together like Tom Baker would have or just kick the silly bint out of the Tardis!<br />
I must admit I haven&#8217;t watched the Doctor for ages, so must start again. Obviously haven&#8217;t seen the new Master, but he&#8217;d have to go a long way to beat the old one (can&#8217;t think of the actor&#8217;s name).</p>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472923</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 07:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472923</guid>
		<description>Or Meera Syal.</description>
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		<title>By: tigtog</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472922</link>
		<dc:creator>tigtog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 07:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472922</guid>
		<description>If they do ever decide to do a female Doctor, my vote is for Tamsin Greig.</description>
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		<title>By: Nick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472715</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like BSG and all, but I do chuckle at the idea that it's better Science Fiction than Doctor Who. The show has as many dodgy psuedo-scientific premises as any other, but it cloaks them in a gritty, macho aesthetic. For instance, if Cylons and humans can interbreed, and they're anatomically indistinguishable from humans, they almost certainly are the same species. "Blink" had more cool SF concepts than an entire season of BSG.

I still like Torchwood, for all its many faults. There's something to be said for a show that gives the writer of Sapphire and Steel another chance to scare people with bafflingly vague ghost stories. 

Darryl, your story of the lasting psychological damage that "Blink" did to your children will warm Steven Moffat's heart. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like BSG and all, but I do chuckle at the idea that it&#8217;s better Science Fiction than Doctor Who. The show has as many dodgy psuedo-scientific premises as any other, but it cloaks them in a gritty, macho aesthetic. For instance, if Cylons and humans can interbreed, and they&#8217;re anatomically indistinguishable from humans, they almost certainly are the same species. &#8220;Blink&#8221; had more cool SF concepts than an entire season of BSG.</p>
<p>I still like Torchwood, for all its many faults. There&#8217;s something to be said for a show that gives the writer of Sapphire and Steel another chance to scare people with bafflingly vague ghost stories. </p>
<p>Darryl, your story of the lasting psychological damage that &#8220;Blink&#8221; did to your children will warm Steven Moffat&#8217;s heart. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Rosin</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472673</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Rosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 00:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick Caldwell "I hesitate to link to this article..."

Ooh! He's very sharp, that Lawrence Miles chap. Thanks for pointing him out.

@MH "I discovered the reimagined Battlestar Galactica and saw what good sci-fi was really like"

You may or may not be right about the relationship between BSG and 'good' SF, but that's not the point of DW. It's a &lt;em&gt;kid's show&lt;/em&gt;. Seriously, last year bbc.co.uk/doctorwho had advance ratings of the episodes available. I think the oldest reviewer was eleven. I love watching it with my kids and I enjoy it myself. (I long ago surrendered to the warm and sticky embrace of nostalgia and I've reached the age where all the hard work I put into cultivating low expectations is really starting to pay off.)

&lt;em&gt;Blink&lt;/em&gt; scared the willies out of my kids and is the only show they've made me erase from the Tivo. They slept in my bed for a week and if I said, in an urgent tone, &lt;em&gt;"Don't &#38;lt whatever&#62;. Just don't &#38;lt whatever&#62;"&lt;/em&gt; they'd burst into tears. It was wonderful and they refuse to even talk about watching it again. 

They are looking forward to the return of the Runaway Bride. They like it when she shouts at the Doctor.

Torchwood is a mess and awfully annoying. I agree with Nick about it's assets but the producers can't make up their minds about what sort of show it's supposed to be and the characters are underdone  to the point I started looking forward to the bits between Gwen and her boyfriend "oh good, a character moment!" And if this team is Earth's last defence against the aliens, we should have been conquered by tribbles long ago.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick Caldwell &#8220;I hesitate to link to this article&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ooh! He&#8217;s very sharp, that Lawrence Miles chap. Thanks for pointing him out.</p>
<p>@MH &#8220;I discovered the reimagined Battlestar Galactica and saw what good sci-fi was really like&#8221;</p>
<p>You may or may not be right about the relationship between BSG and &#8216;good&#8217; SF, but that&#8217;s not the point of DW. It&#8217;s a <em>kid&#8217;s show</em>. Seriously, last year bbc.co.uk/doctorwho had advance ratings of the episodes available. I think the oldest reviewer was eleven. I love watching it with my kids and I enjoy it myself. (I long ago surrendered to the warm and sticky embrace of nostalgia and I&#8217;ve reached the age where all the hard work I put into cultivating low expectations is really starting to pay off.)</p>
<p><em>Blink</em> scared the willies out of my kids and is the only show they&#8217;ve made me erase from the Tivo. They slept in my bed for a week and if I said, in an urgent tone, <em>&#8220;Don&#8217;t &amp;lt whatever&gt;. Just don&#8217;t &amp;lt whatever&gt;&#8221;</em> they&#8217;d burst into tears. It was wonderful and they refuse to even talk about watching it again. </p>
<p>They are looking forward to the return of the Runaway Bride. They like it when she shouts at the Doctor.</p>
<p>Torchwood is a mess and awfully annoying. I agree with Nick about it&#8217;s assets but the producers can&#8217;t make up their minds about what sort of show it&#8217;s supposed to be and the characters are underdone  to the point I started looking forward to the bits between Gwen and her boyfriend &#8220;oh good, a character moment!&#8221; And if this team is Earth&#8217;s last defence against the aliens, we should have been conquered by tribbles long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472620</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, I couldn't possibly comment!</description>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472498</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Marsters!!! That's - well - Awesome! I hope he hooks up with Cap'n Jack!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Marsters!!! That&#8217;s - well - Awesome! I hope he hooks up with Cap&#8217;n Jack!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472493</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The writing on Torchwood never really stops being uneven, but series two is better than the first. The problem seems to be that they've got a likeable and charismatic cast, great standing sets and locations, good production values (TW is shot on HD, unlike Doctor Who), but no real idea what to make of these assets. 

On the other hand, there was no limit to the awesomeness when James Marsters guest starred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writing on Torchwood never really stops being uneven, but series two is better than the first. The problem seems to be that they&#8217;ve got a likeable and charismatic cast, great standing sets and locations, good production values (TW is shot on HD, unlike Doctor Who), but no real idea what to make of these assets. </p>
<p>On the other hand, there was no limit to the awesomeness when James Marsters guest starred.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/28/open-whoverse-thread/#comment-472491</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Nasking. I think the essay is one of those 'read the whole thing' experiences, particularly as it won't be online much longer. Lawrence Miles is best when he's analysing the visual culture of British television texts, much less so than when he's picking fights with better writers (claiming he could piss a better script than Moffat's "Blink", for instance). 

I would love to see some greater participation from a wider pool of UK conceptual artists -- the first season benefited greatly from the designs of acclaimed comic artist Bryan Hitch, who established the new TARDIS interior. And, if there is a god, he will encourage Steven Moffat to hire &lt;a href="http://67.59.169.170/cgi-bin/device2.cgi?action=logos" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rian Hughes&lt;/a&gt; to design a decent logo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Nasking. I think the essay is one of those &#8216;read the whole thing&#8217; experiences, particularly as it won&#8217;t be online much longer. Lawrence Miles is best when he&#8217;s analysing the visual culture of British television texts, much less so than when he&#8217;s picking fights with better writers (claiming he could piss a better script than Moffat&#8217;s &#8220;Blink&#8221;, for instance). </p>
<p>I would love to see some greater participation from a wider pool of UK conceptual artists &#8212; the first season benefited greatly from the designs of acclaimed comic artist Bryan Hitch, who established the new TARDIS interior. And, if there is a god, he will encourage Steven Moffat to hire <a href="http://67.59.169.170/cgi-bin/device2.cgi?action=logos" rel="nofollow">Rian Hughes</a> to design a decent logo.</p>
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