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	<title>Comments on: Baring breasts vs. baring souls</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/</link>
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		<title>By: steve munn</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-474132</link>
		<dc:creator>steve munn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"But I think you may be sugarcoating some of the less attractive attitudes in the mental health professions towards some diagnoses over others. Maybe it’s less pronounced at the neuroscience end of the profession."

Interesting. Had dinner last week with a friend who does psych assessments in regional Victoria and we sort of touched on this issue. I think you have a valid point.  Part of the problem is our poor level of understanding of psych issues and chronic underfunding in all areas of mental health. I think the workers at the coal face are stressed and traumatised and often end up batty themselves.

Unfortunately much of today's left intelligentsia is more interested in narrowly bourgeois issues like arts funding rather than bread and butter issues like mental health, which disproportionately impacts the poor.  Of course the right intelligentsia couldn't give a stuff. As mental health isn't a vote winner and the elites largely ignore it, the prognosis is very poor indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I think you may be sugarcoating some of the less attractive attitudes in the mental health professions towards some diagnoses over others. Maybe it’s less pronounced at the neuroscience end of the profession.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting. Had dinner last week with a friend who does psych assessments in regional Victoria and we sort of touched on this issue. I think you have a valid point.  Part of the problem is our poor level of understanding of psych issues and chronic underfunding in all areas of mental health. I think the workers at the coal face are stressed and traumatised and often end up batty themselves.</p>
<p>Unfortunately much of today&#8217;s left intelligentsia is more interested in narrowly bourgeois issues like arts funding rather than bread and butter issues like mental health, which disproportionately impacts the poor.  Of course the right intelligentsia couldn&#8217;t give a stuff. As mental health isn&#8217;t a vote winner and the elites largely ignore it, the prognosis is very poor indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-474106</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-474106</guid>
		<description>MR: thanks for your comment.  And, in case it hasn't been made abundantly clear, good on Quinn.  

But I think you may be sugarcoating some of the less attractive attitudes in the mental health professions towards some diagnoses over others.  Maybe it's less pronounced at the neuroscience end of the profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MR: thanks for your comment.  And, in case it hasn&#8217;t been made abundantly clear, good on Quinn.  </p>
<p>But I think you may be sugarcoating some of the less attractive attitudes in the mental health professions towards some diagnoses over others.  Maybe it&#8217;s less pronounced at the neuroscience end of the profession.</p>
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		<title>By: MR</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-474105</link>
		<dc:creator>MR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-474105</guid>
		<description>Having met Quinn and working with the 7:30pm Report to produce the story on her achievements I would like to make two points.

Firstly, Quinn spent one week at the Howard Florey Institute working with a number of different neuroscientists. All were extremely impressed with her maturity and her ability to understand the complexities of the brain. The Florey's Director was also very impressed by Quinn. Such support from Australia's leading brain research institute means that should Quinn decide to one day undertake postgraduate studies or seek employment in neuroscience, the Florey would welcome her. To say that by talking about her battle with a annorexia and depression on TV would have a negative impact on her neuroscience career prospects is pure nonsense.

Secondly, Quinn and her family were made fully aware of the ramifications of talking on TV about her battle with annorexia and depression. Quinn was not ashamed of her experience with mental illness and believed that by sharing her story she may be able to help other girls going through similar problems.

Quinn is an exceptional young woman. We need more talented people like Quinn taking an interest in neuroscience research as it is these people who will help find the answers to the devastating brain disorders that affect billions of people world-wide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having met Quinn and working with the 7:30pm Report to produce the story on her achievements I would like to make two points.</p>
<p>Firstly, Quinn spent one week at the Howard Florey Institute working with a number of different neuroscientists. All were extremely impressed with her maturity and her ability to understand the complexities of the brain. The Florey&#8217;s Director was also very impressed by Quinn. Such support from Australia&#8217;s leading brain research institute means that should Quinn decide to one day undertake postgraduate studies or seek employment in neuroscience, the Florey would welcome her. To say that by talking about her battle with a annorexia and depression on TV would have a negative impact on her neuroscience career prospects is pure nonsense.</p>
<p>Secondly, Quinn and her family were made fully aware of the ramifications of talking on TV about her battle with annorexia and depression. Quinn was not ashamed of her experience with mental illness and believed that by sharing her story she may be able to help other girls going through similar problems.</p>
<p>Quinn is an exceptional young woman. We need more talented people like Quinn taking an interest in neuroscience research as it is these people who will help find the answers to the devastating brain disorders that affect billions of people world-wide.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-474103</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-474103</guid>
		<description>Oh well, seems like this one's not real popular...

Just some observations: just because we'd all &lt;EM&gt;like&lt;/EM&gt; mental health issues to be stigma-free, doesn't mean they are.  And, like we said, there are some issues &lt;EM&gt;within&lt;/EM&gt; the mental health professions that are very real (and widely recorded in the literature) that haven't attracted much attention outside it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well, seems like this one&#8217;s not real popular&#8230;</p>
<p>Just some observations: just because we&#8217;d all <em>like</em> mental health issues to be stigma-free, doesn&#8217;t mean they are.  And, like we said, there are some issues <em>within</em> the mental health professions that are very real (and widely recorded in the literature) that haven&#8217;t attracted much attention outside it.</p>
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		<title>By: patrickg</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473937</link>
		<dc:creator>patrickg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473937</guid>
		<description>No probs Mark; much as already been said anyways. :)

I don't think this post hasn't been really thought through; I think the link is a bit arbitrary, and I would worry about somebody being silent about having (and/or overcoming) a disability for fear of censure; that's never to be encouraged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No probs Mark; much as already been said anyways. <img src='http://larvatusprodeo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I don&#8217;t think this post hasn&#8217;t been really thought through; I think the link is a bit arbitrary, and I would worry about somebody being silent about having (and/or overcoming) a disability for fear of censure; that&#8217;s never to be encouraged.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473936</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>patrickg, I can't find any comment from you - unfortunately the spaminator is having one of its off days and it's possible someone might have deleted it along with the actual spam by mistake. Sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patrickg, I can&#8217;t find any comment from you - unfortunately the spaminator is having one of its off days and it&#8217;s possible someone might have deleted it along with the actual spam by mistake. Sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: patrickg</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473933</link>
		<dc:creator>patrickg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473933</guid>
		<description>I've got a comment stuck in moderation? If it's the swearing in the first sentence, feel free to delete. Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a comment stuck in moderation? If it&#8217;s the swearing in the first sentence, feel free to delete. Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473876</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473876</guid>
		<description>It's hardly surprising that the media imposed such a narrative and resorted to stereotype to tell the 'feel good' story. It's in the nature of mass media to do this sort of thing for the very simple reason that every nuance and complexity loses 'em audience share. Every television journalist who sincerely wants to labour their vocation must struggle and compromise with the lowest common denominator realities of the marketplace. 
&#62;
As for the future consequences of her 'coming out' well live and learn. She's 17, not old enough to vote but old enough to know that actions have consequences. The Henson thing's reminded me how frustrating it was when as a teenager I was asumed incompetant in exercising my own agency. It was simply not true. And hell yeah I made mistakes - &lt;i&gt;hasta la vista&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hardly surprising that the media imposed such a narrative and resorted to stereotype to tell the &#8216;feel good&#8217; story. It&#8217;s in the nature of mass media to do this sort of thing for the very simple reason that every nuance and complexity loses &#8216;em audience share. Every television journalist who sincerely wants to labour their vocation must struggle and compromise with the lowest common denominator realities of the marketplace.<br />
&gt;<br />
As for the future consequences of her &#8216;coming out&#8217; well live and learn. She&#8217;s 17, not old enough to vote but old enough to know that actions have consequences. The Henson thing&#8217;s reminded me how frustrating it was when as a teenager I was asumed incompetant in exercising my own agency. It was simply not true. And hell yeah I made mistakes - <i>hasta la vista</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: su</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473856</link>
		<dc:creator>su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Caroline and Mercurius.

I don't think there is anything to be gained by extending arguments about shielding children from exploitation to absurd extremes.  Even the injunction "thou shalt not kill" will yield paradoxical and absurd results when applied rigidly and without reference to the context. 

Kay Redfield Jamison wrote a memoir documenting her bipolar disorder.  She is Professor of Psychiatry at John Hopkins Medical School and an acknowledged academic expert in Bipolar Disorder.  Quinn walks in the footsteps of others and thankfully, they have made it a little easier for her to achieve her goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Caroline and Mercurius.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is anything to be gained by extending arguments about shielding children from exploitation to absurd extremes.  Even the injunction &#8220;thou shalt not kill&#8221; will yield paradoxical and absurd results when applied rigidly and without reference to the context. </p>
<p>Kay Redfield Jamison wrote a memoir documenting her bipolar disorder.  She is Professor of Psychiatry at John Hopkins Medical School and an acknowledged academic expert in Bipolar Disorder.  Quinn walks in the footsteps of others and thankfully, they have made it a little easier for her to achieve her goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Desipis</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473849</link>
		<dc:creator>Desipis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473849</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Ken Lovell:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;One only has to look at the way Bindi Irwin has been shamelessly exploited following her father’s death and made to perform all over the world like a trained seal...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And how is this different from sticking a child in a room full of other children and expecting them to perform like a 'trained seal'?

&lt;blockquote&gt;When it comes to normative standards concerning the rights of children and the responsibilities of their parents, inconsistencies and hysteria are par for the course in our society.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think the question is: where is the line between an abnormal childhood and an abusive one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ken Lovell:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>One only has to look at the way Bindi Irwin has been shamelessly exploited following her father’s death and made to perform all over the world like a trained seal&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>And how is this different from sticking a child in a room full of other children and expecting them to perform like a &#8216;trained seal&#8217;?</p>
<blockquote><p>When it comes to normative standards concerning the rights of children and the responsibilities of their parents, inconsistencies and hysteria are par for the course in our society.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the question is: where is the line between an abnormal childhood and an abusive one?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473843</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473843</guid>
		<description>Adrian: if you're reading this to imply that we think that "working class" implies dumb we've really not expressed ourselves well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian: if you&#8217;re reading this to imply that we think that &#8220;working class&#8221; implies dumb we&#8217;ve really not expressed ourselves well.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473830</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473830</guid>
		<description>"...from a working-class background in a working-class Victorian town, who overcame &lt;b&gt;both these barriers&lt;/b&gt; and a battle with anorexia and depression to win a national “Brain Bee” - essentially, a neurology quiz contest for later-year high school students."

WTF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;from a working-class background in a working-class Victorian town, who overcame <b>both these barriers</b> and a battle with anorexia and depression to win a national “Brain Bee” - essentially, a neurology quiz contest for later-year high school students.&#8221;</p>
<p>WTF</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473788</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473788</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;a wicker basket laden with back issues of Peopleand a bookcase completely bereft except for a dusty bottle of Baitz’s Cherry Liqueur and copy of Max Walker’s How to Hypnotise Chooks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Far more embarrasing but fortunately ungooglable.  

A disturbing post Robert.  Presumably she should bury her past and never mention it again? All too late now obviously.  However, if future partners or employers are going to discriminate against her because of her childhood psychological issues (that she has bravely overcome) then  I'd suggest that's their loss and she's better off without them.

You seem to be validating the social stigma of mental illness while at the same time decrying it.  The stigma attached to mental illness is obviously very real in society and we're quite pychzoid about it, but the antidote for such stimga is never going to be brought about through our being embarrassed about another's revelations. Indeed such reactions only serve to compound it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>a wicker basket laden with back issues of Peopleand a bookcase completely bereft except for a dusty bottle of Baitz’s Cherry Liqueur and copy of Max Walker’s How to Hypnotise Chooks.</p></blockquote>
<p>Far more embarrasing but fortunately ungooglable.  </p>
<p>A disturbing post Robert.  Presumably she should bury her past and never mention it again? All too late now obviously.  However, if future partners or employers are going to discriminate against her because of her childhood psychological issues (that she has bravely overcome) then  I&#8217;d suggest that&#8217;s their loss and she&#8217;s better off without them.</p>
<p>You seem to be validating the social stigma of mental illness while at the same time decrying it.  The stigma attached to mental illness is obviously very real in society and we&#8217;re quite pychzoid about it, but the antidote for such stimga is never going to be brought about through our being embarrassed about another&#8217;s revelations. Indeed such reactions only serve to compound it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nana Levu</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473773</link>
		<dc:creator>Nana Levu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 23:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473773</guid>
		<description>I followed up on Quinn's Brain Bee comp in Montreal and found "Lessons in neuroscience: theory meets reality in the back seat of a taxi"   http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=bc122e1e-c5f2-4bf5-a309-16d426a9781d  
In this piece a taxi driver who had trained as a doctor at home in New Delhi and practised medicine in Germany and Vienna before coming to Canada 15 years earlier  asks two of the contestant some tough questions as he drives them to the venue. They wonder "Why are you driving a taxi? How come you aren't practising?" 
"It is very difficult to get accredited. I have passed the exams here, but there are not many positions for interns who have trained elsewhere," the cabbie said with the resigned air of a middle-aged man who no longer expects opportunity to knock.
As they step out of his taxi, he wished the girls luck.
Sundaram was troubled.
'It's terrible that he can't practise after training for so long."
It seems there are some things that even the smartest teenagers can't quite fathom....

From what I could gather Quinn was in the final 4 but was not the winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed up on Quinn&#8217;s Brain Bee comp in Montreal and found &#8220;Lessons in neuroscience: theory meets reality in the back seat of a taxi&#8221;   <a href="http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=bc122e1e-c5f2-4bf5-a309-16d426a9781d" rel="nofollow">http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=bc122e1e-c5f2-4bf5-a309-16d426a9781d</a><br />
In this piece a taxi driver who had trained as a doctor at home in New Delhi and practised medicine in Germany and Vienna before coming to Canada 15 years earlier  asks two of the contestant some tough questions as he drives them to the venue. They wonder &#8220;Why are you driving a taxi? How come you aren&#8217;t practising?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;It is very difficult to get accredited. I have passed the exams here, but there are not many positions for interns who have trained elsewhere,&#8221; the cabbie said with the resigned air of a middle-aged man who no longer expects opportunity to knock.<br />
As they step out of his taxi, he wished the girls luck.<br />
Sundaram was troubled.<br />
&#8216;It&#8217;s terrible that he can&#8217;t practise after training for so long.&#8221;<br />
It seems there are some things that even the smartest teenagers can&#8217;t quite fathom&#8230;.</p>
<p>From what I could gather Quinn was in the final 4 but was not the winner.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473767</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473767</guid>
		<description>I'm unsubscribing from this website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m unsubscribing from this website.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473766</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473766</guid>
		<description>Robert and Cassie Australia is rife with such irrational double standards. One only has to look at the way Bindi Irwin has been shamelessly exploited following her father's death and made to perform all over the world like a trained seal ... not only with no expressions of concern from Teh Authorities but with gushing approval from our last prime minister. In justification one hears constantly that she is wise beyond her years and has made an informed choice and is surrounded by adults who care only for her and other nauseating self-serving nonsense.

When it comes to normative standards concerning the rights of children and the responsibilities of their parents, inconsistencies and hysteria are par for the course in our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert and Cassie Australia is rife with such irrational double standards. One only has to look at the way Bindi Irwin has been shamelessly exploited following her father&#8217;s death and made to perform all over the world like a trained seal &#8230; not only with no expressions of concern from Teh Authorities but with gushing approval from our last prime minister. In justification one hears constantly that she is wise beyond her years and has made an informed choice and is surrounded by adults who care only for her and other nauseating self-serving nonsense.</p>
<p>When it comes to normative standards concerning the rights of children and the responsibilities of their parents, inconsistencies and hysteria are par for the course in our society.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercurius</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473765</link>
		<dc:creator>Mercurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/01/baring-breasts-vs-baring-souls/#comment-473765</guid>
		<description>Yes, and mummy bloggers had better watch out too! All those embarrassing photos and personal revelations they disclose about their children, which those children cannot possibly have consented to, as the little darlings are still pre-verbal and incontinent, as the dear mummy bloggers constantly attest...

I kind-of see your point Robert. But I have to warn you that IMHO to link this one with Henson puts you perilously close to nomination for an &lt;a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/04/announcing-the-agincourt-award-for-the-longest-bow/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Agincourt Award&lt;/a&gt;. (*ooh, harsh!*)</description>
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<p>I kind-of see your point Robert. But I have to warn you that IMHO to link this one with Henson puts you perilously close to nomination for an <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/02/04/announcing-the-agincourt-award-for-the-longest-bow/" rel="nofollow">Agincourt Award</a>. (*ooh, harsh!*)</p>
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