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	<title>Comments on: Queensland budget 2008</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/</link>
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		<title>By: Blake Shaw</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-476500</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-476500</guid>
		<description>Sam, the figure of $697 million was for all citytrain track upgrades and rollingstock purchases (not just rollingstock). What a joke.

$20 million for a Queensland renewable energy fund. That's really not good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, the figure of $697 million was for all citytrain track upgrades and rollingstock purchases (not just rollingstock). What a joke.</p>
<p>$20 million for a Queensland renewable energy fund. That&#8217;s really not good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Shaw</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-476496</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-476496</guid>
		<description>Out of interest, are there any protests / rallies planned in the near future against this government and its unsustainable policies such as the fuel rebate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of interest, are there any protests / rallies planned in the near future against this government and its unsustainable policies such as the fuel rebate?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-475539</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-475539</guid>
		<description>Has Queensland entered an alternate universe where Labor promotes the politics of Greed and the Borg promotes the politics of Green?

I just read Hansard which had the Borg saying &lt;em&gt;"My government will pay a gross feed in tariff for all suppliers of solar energy systems. What this means is that everyone who contributes power to the grid under this policy will be paid for every kilowatt hour they generate, unlike the government’s policy under which no Queensland home based system would ever hope to generate enough electricity to be able to feed back into the system under its net tariff proposition.
My government would take first mover status and put Queensland at the forefront of the solar industry in Australia by providing certainty to the market and to the industry."&lt;/em&gt;

Finally a politician who actually understands solar power and feed in tariffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Queensland entered an alternate universe where Labor promotes the politics of Greed and the Borg promotes the politics of Green?</p>
<p>I just read Hansard which had the Borg saying <em>&#8220;My government will pay a gross feed in tariff for all suppliers of solar energy systems. What this means is that everyone who contributes power to the grid under this policy will be paid for every kilowatt hour they generate, unlike the government’s policy under which no Queensland home based system would ever hope to generate enough electricity to be able to feed back into the system under its net tariff proposition.<br />
My government would take first mover status and put Queensland at the forefront of the solar industry in Australia by providing certainty to the market and to the industry.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Finally a politician who actually understands solar power and feed in tariffs.</p>
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		<title>By: Benji</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-475354</link>
		<dc:creator>Benji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-475354</guid>
		<description>Oh, and they're more than willing to offer the subsidy immediately but when it comes to mass transit systems, the are undertaking a $2 million study that may locate a route somewhere by 2011???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and they&#8217;re more than willing to offer the subsidy immediately but when it comes to mass transit systems, the are undertaking a $2 million study that may locate a route somewhere by 2011???</p>
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		<title>By: Benji</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-475315</link>
		<dc:creator>Benji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-475315</guid>
		<description>It is a disgrace Sam. Populist bowser bonking knuckle-draggers. That about sums it up for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a disgrace Sam. Populist bowser bonking knuckle-draggers. That about sums it up for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Clifford</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-475058</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-475058</guid>
		<description>More on fuel subsidies than on new rail rollingstock?  Well that's just fucking great, isn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on fuel subsidies than on new rail rollingstock?  Well that&#8217;s just fucking great, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Benji</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474914</link>
		<dc:creator>Benji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474914</guid>
		<description>I agree Dave and amortiser. Their 'greenwash' rhetoric is as pathetic as it is transparent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Dave and amortiser. Their &#8216;greenwash&#8217; rhetoric is as pathetic as it is transparent.</p>
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		<title>By: amortiser</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474887</link>
		<dc:creator>amortiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474887</guid>
		<description>Dave,
   It just goes to show that when it comes to climate change it's all in what you say than what you do.

   This government has based its whole budget funding strategy on increasing levels of mining for coal despite the fact that it publicly states that the world is heading for a calamity because of the burning of fossil fuels. It is obvious that it doesn't believe its own rhetoric.

   This idea that there is a 2 tiered tax regime that will mitigate a fall in royalty payments if the price of coal falls is so much wishful thinking. If the price falls there will be an almighty hole in the budget for which the government has made ongoing commitments. Politically it will find itself unable to cut its new spending programs and so will adjust the royalty rates to preserve its revenue base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
   It just goes to show that when it comes to climate change it&#8217;s all in what you say than what you do.</p>
<p>   This government has based its whole budget funding strategy on increasing levels of mining for coal despite the fact that it publicly states that the world is heading for a calamity because of the burning of fossil fuels. It is obvious that it doesn&#8217;t believe its own rhetoric.</p>
<p>   This idea that there is a 2 tiered tax regime that will mitigate a fall in royalty payments if the price of coal falls is so much wishful thinking. If the price falls there will be an almighty hole in the budget for which the government has made ongoing commitments. Politically it will find itself unable to cut its new spending programs and so will adjust the royalty rates to preserve its revenue base.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474867</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474867</guid>
		<description>It appears that the Borg is already onto this budget just have a look in todays Courier Mail and the website www.queensland-debt.com

What disappoints me the most about this Labor budget is the ongoing addiction to fossil fuels. It appears that climate change and peak oil are just vague concepts when it comes to the budget. All I can see are token 'greenwash' announcements but nothing serious. 

I'd be keen to see if the Borg is serious about his earlier statements of building Queensland as a renewable energy capital, if he is then we may have a real choice at the next election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that the Borg is already onto this budget just have a look in todays Courier Mail and the website <a href="http://www.queensland-debt.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.queensland-debt.com</a></p>
<p>What disappoints me the most about this Labor budget is the ongoing addiction to fossil fuels. It appears that climate change and peak oil are just vague concepts when it comes to the budget. All I can see are token &#8216;greenwash&#8217; announcements but nothing serious. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be keen to see if the Borg is serious about his earlier statements of building Queensland as a renewable energy capital, if he is then we may have a real choice at the next election.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474720</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474720</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Elsewhere&lt;/b&gt;: A lot more detail on the budget at &lt;a href="http://nebuchadnezzarwoollyd.blogspot.com/2008/06/queensland-budget-shows-little-long.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Woolly Days&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Elsewhere</b>: A lot more detail on the budget at <a href="http://nebuchadnezzarwoollyd.blogspot.com/2008/06/queensland-budget-shows-little-long.html" rel="nofollow">Woolly Days</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474719</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474719</guid>
		<description>Thanks for that, Jason. Maybe I should have chosen my words differently!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that, Jason. Maybe I should have chosen my words differently!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Wilson</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474718</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474718</guid>
		<description>Um... all reasonable comments, except the stuff about the growth all being in the South East. Follow &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&#38;ct=res&#38;cd=3&#38;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dip.qld.gov.au%2Fdocs%2Fplanning%2Fplanning%2Finformation_and_forecasting%2FPGHT2006%2FSummary.pdf&#38;ei=BTpFSMPTCIi46gOcy_33Bw&#38;usg=AFQjCNF0tNqwzwolBo80KIhcoCNb-J0GCg&#38;sig2=uIdQxYkHbCpW18Y_Ox7o9g" rel="nofollow"&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; for a PDF that shows that while the SE has the largest population growth numerically (as at '06), proportionally the SE growth rates are comparable with regional centres (and are dwarfed by areas like Miriam Vale, Hervey Bay, and lately Weipa). The difference, of course, is that on the whole regional centres and small towns have less existing infrastructure, and less capacity to absorb large population increases. 

It would be unwise to underestimate this appeal to regional sentiment (I know it's the Nats' perennial tactic but...). In the tissues on the weekend I learned that Townsville's rental  accommodation occupancy rates are under 2% - I think that's even tighter than Brisbane, and it represents a big affordability issue in areas that aren't accustomed to dealing with this stuff. The social housing and affordability  measures have to be seen to help outside the SE or the Borg may just jump on it successfully.  I guess Fraser's move to set a statewide cut-off for the stamp duties will disproportionately advantage ppl in most regional centres where houses tend to be cheaper than in Brisbane, but may not work that well in mining centres like MV/Weipa where prices are very high. We'll see. 

Anyway... growing pains are being felt Statewide!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230; all reasonable comments, except the stuff about the growth all being in the South East. Follow <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=3&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dip.qld.gov.au%2Fdocs%2Fplanning%2Fplanning%2Finformation_and_forecasting%2FPGHT2006%2FSummary.pdf&amp;ei=BTpFSMPTCIi46gOcy_33Bw&amp;usg=AFQjCNF0tNqwzwolBo80KIhcoCNb-J0GCg&amp;sig2=uIdQxYkHbCpW18Y_Ox7o9g" rel="nofollow">this link</a> for a PDF that shows that while the SE has the largest population growth numerically (as at &#8216;06), proportionally the SE growth rates are comparable with regional centres (and are dwarfed by areas like Miriam Vale, Hervey Bay, and lately Weipa). The difference, of course, is that on the whole regional centres and small towns have less existing infrastructure, and less capacity to absorb large population increases. </p>
<p>It would be unwise to underestimate this appeal to regional sentiment (I know it&#8217;s the Nats&#8217; perennial tactic but&#8230;). In the tissues on the weekend I learned that Townsville&#8217;s rental  accommodation occupancy rates are under 2% - I think that&#8217;s even tighter than Brisbane, and it represents a big affordability issue in areas that aren&#8217;t accustomed to dealing with this stuff. The social housing and affordability  measures have to be seen to help outside the SE or the Borg may just jump on it successfully.  I guess Fraser&#8217;s move to set a statewide cut-off for the stamp duties will disproportionately advantage ppl in most regional centres where houses tend to be cheaper than in Brisbane, but may not work that well in mining centres like MV/Weipa where prices are very high. We&#8217;ll see. </p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; growing pains are being felt Statewide!</p>
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		<title>By: John Tracey</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474713</link>
		<dc:creator>John Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474713</guid>
		<description>The petrol rebate, if it remains exclusive to Queenslanders, is unconstitutional.

117  Rights of residents in States 
  A subject of the Queen, resident in any State, shall not be subject 
in any other State to any disability or discrimination which would 
not be equally applicable to him if he were a subject of the Queen 
resident in such other State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The petrol rebate, if it remains exclusive to Queenslanders, is unconstitutional.</p>
<p>117  Rights of residents in States<br />
  A subject of the Queen, resident in any State, shall not be subject<br />
in any other State to any disability or discrimination which would<br />
not be equally applicable to him if he were a subject of the Queen<br />
resident in such other State.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474678</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474678</guid>
		<description>I couldn't be bothered reading Houghton's nonsense. The teaser was enough - I'm sure the article was wholly predictable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t be bothered reading Houghton&#8217;s nonsense. The teaser was enough - I&#8217;m sure the article was wholly predictable.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474668</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474668</guid>
		<description>I think that while they had Des in the Budget lockup he should have been handcuffed to the table till he got an understanding of what is really happening in the portfolio he has chosen to smear.

Coal is currently above $300 per tonne. In the budget allowance was made for the increased royalty from the current 7% to 10% for coal selling at over $100 per tonne.   The fairness in the two tier structure that Des can't bring himself to acknowledge is that should coal drop below $100 per tonne in the future then the royalty drops back to the 7% level.  Not quite the same as the 'Milch cow' Des would have us believed is being milked!

This is the explanation from the budget papers:

Queensland has changed the calculations for royalty
payments for mineral and petroleum resources to ensure
the people of Queensland receive a fairer share of the
value of the State’s resources. A two-tier coal royalty
system has been introduced. The rate of royalty on
bauxite consumed within Queensland has also been
increased, as has the rate of royalty payable for many
industrial type minerals such as clay and limestone.
The increased royalties paid will mean the people of
Queensland, as owner of these resources, will benefit
through improved government services and infrastructure
including several infrastructure initiatives in the coal
mining regions.

Queensland has changed the calculations for royalty
payments for mineral and petroleum resources to ensure
the people of Queensland receive a fairer share of the
value of the State’s resources. A two-tier coal royalty
system has been introduced. The rate of royalty on
bauxite consumed within Queensland has also been
increased, as has the rate of royalty payable for many
industrial type minerals such as clay and limestone.
The increased royalties paid will mean the people of
Queensland, as owner of these resources, will benefit
through improved government services and infrastructure
including several infrastructure initiatives in the coal
mining regions.

http://www.energy.qld.gov.au/zone_files/General_PDFs/budget_highlights_2008.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that while they had Des in the Budget lockup he should have been handcuffed to the table till he got an understanding of what is really happening in the portfolio he has chosen to smear.</p>
<p>Coal is currently above $300 per tonne. In the budget allowance was made for the increased royalty from the current 7% to 10% for coal selling at over $100 per tonne.   The fairness in the two tier structure that Des can&#8217;t bring himself to acknowledge is that should coal drop below $100 per tonne in the future then the royalty drops back to the 7% level.  Not quite the same as the &#8216;Milch cow&#8217; Des would have us believed is being milked!</p>
<p>This is the explanation from the budget papers:</p>
<p>Queensland has changed the calculations for royalty<br />
payments for mineral and petroleum resources to ensure<br />
the people of Queensland receive a fairer share of the<br />
value of the State’s resources. A two-tier coal royalty<br />
system has been introduced. The rate of royalty on<br />
bauxite consumed within Queensland has also been<br />
increased, as has the rate of royalty payable for many<br />
industrial type minerals such as clay and limestone.<br />
The increased royalties paid will mean the people of<br />
Queensland, as owner of these resources, will benefit<br />
through improved government services and infrastructure<br />
including several infrastructure initiatives in the coal<br />
mining regions.</p>
<p>Queensland has changed the calculations for royalty<br />
payments for mineral and petroleum resources to ensure<br />
the people of Queensland receive a fairer share of the<br />
value of the State’s resources. A two-tier coal royalty<br />
system has been introduced. The rate of royalty on<br />
bauxite consumed within Queensland has also been<br />
increased, as has the rate of royalty payable for many<br />
industrial type minerals such as clay and limestone.<br />
The increased royalties paid will mean the people of<br />
Queensland, as owner of these resources, will benefit<br />
through improved government services and infrastructure<br />
including several infrastructure initiatives in the coal<br />
mining regions.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.energy.qld.gov.au/zone_files/General_PDFs/budget_highlights_2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.energy.qld.gov.au/zone_files/General_PDFs/budget_highlights_2008.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474659</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/03/queensland-budget-2008/#comment-474659</guid>
		<description>Well, what a goose our Curious Snail columnist Des Houghton has turned out to be.  Cry me a river of crocodile tears Des about how the poor old miners in the peak of a massive and extensive mining boom having to fork out 3% more tax.  They should be sending Anna Bligh and Andrew Fraser roses for saving them the cost of armoured cars to carry around the riches they have extracted from mines owned by Queenslanders.

Des any chance of naming even one miner prepared to pull out of the boom because of a 3% tax increase?   Get a grip on yourself Des the following comments make a mug out of you.


[It may even force multinationals to scrap new mines here and seek greener pastures elsewhere.
The government will reap an additional $585 million a year from the new royalty payments.

It took the miners by surprise.
Now it appears bauxite miners will face similar super royalties
In all, coal royalties will bring in $3 billion - outstripping revenues from payroll tax and stamp duty.

This is an amazing impost on an industry which in the last four years has contributed $7 billion to port and rail infrastructure.
Coal miners have become Anna Bligh’s milch cow.] 

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/deshoughton/index.php/couriermail/comments/you_pay_for_labors_sins/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what a goose our Curious Snail columnist Des Houghton has turned out to be.  Cry me a river of crocodile tears Des about how the poor old miners in the peak of a massive and extensive mining boom having to fork out 3% more tax.  They should be sending Anna Bligh and Andrew Fraser roses for saving them the cost of armoured cars to carry around the riches they have extracted from mines owned by Queenslanders.</p>
<p>Des any chance of naming even one miner prepared to pull out of the boom because of a 3% tax increase?   Get a grip on yourself Des the following comments make a mug out of you.</p>
<p>[It may even force multinationals to scrap new mines here and seek greener pastures elsewhere.<br />
The government will reap an additional $585 million a year from the new royalty payments.</p>
<p>It took the miners by surprise.<br />
Now it appears bauxite miners will face similar super royalties<br />
In all, coal royalties will bring in $3 billion - outstripping revenues from payroll tax and stamp duty.</p>
<p>This is an amazing impost on an industry which in the last four years has contributed $7 billion to port and rail infrastructure.<br />
Coal miners have become Anna Bligh’s milch cow.] </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/deshoughton/index.php/couriermail/comments/you_pay_for_labors_sins/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/deshoughton/index.php/couriermail/comments/you_pay_for_labors_sins/</a></p>
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