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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Sacred institution of marriage&#8221; may have something to learn from same-sex relationships</title>
	<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/</link>
	<description>Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Crystal Solis</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-554362</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal Solis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mercurius</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477396</link>
		<dc:creator>Mercurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QED</description>
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		<title>By: Cheap Interfaith Boiler Suit</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477383</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheap Interfaith Boiler Suit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mercurius

How am I, er judith, "obtuse"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercurius</p>
<p>How am I, er judith, &#8220;obtuse&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Mercurius</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477381</link>
		<dc:creator>Mercurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You "proteth" too much: to a Nunnery, go!

The allegation is that John Greenfield's dismality at satire is matched only by the sheer intergalactic scale of his obtuseness.

Meanwhile, back on the thread's rails...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You &#8220;proteth&#8221; too much: to a Nunnery, go!</p>
<p>The allegation is that John Greenfield&#8217;s dismality at satire is matched only by the sheer intergalactic scale of his obtuseness.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, back on the thread&#8217;s rails&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cheap Interfaith Boiler Suit</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477378</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheap Interfaith Boiler Suit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I am sure Judith John is capable of defending herself, I must demand some clarification. Is the allegation that JG is quite accomplished at satire, but not as accomplished as in other areas OR not only not accomplished anywhere, but particularly dismal at satire?

If it is the latter, I must proteth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am sure Judith John is capable of defending herself, I must demand some clarification. Is the allegation that JG is quite accomplished at satire, but not as accomplished as in other areas OR not only not accomplished anywhere, but particularly dismal at satire?</p>
<p>If it is the latter, I must proteth!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477190</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Presybterian boiler suit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Presybterian boiler suit?</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477188</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think that Mr Greenfield has a strong suit. A mild hair shirt maybe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that Mr Greenfield has a strong suit. A mild hair shirt maybe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477187</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Satire really isn’t your strong suit, John Greenfield."

No, stick to the...

ummmm...

*crickets*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Satire really isn’t your strong suit, John Greenfield.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, stick to the&#8230;</p>
<p>ummmm&#8230;</p>
<p>*crickets*</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477186</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satire really isn't your strong suit, John Greenfield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satire really isn&#8217;t your strong suit, John Greenfield.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Butler</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477185</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our campaign to make crew-cutted white haute bourgeois lesbians the norm of human achievement has been very successful in souring relations between female-identified and non-female-identified humans. Remember, masculinity is the great cancer we must destroy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our campaign to make crew-cutted white haute bourgeois lesbians the norm of human achievement has been very successful in souring relations between female-identified and non-female-identified humans. Remember, masculinity is the great cancer we must destroy.</p>
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		<title>By: Desipis</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477183</link>
		<dc:creator>Desipis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, from what I've read the happiness of Western marriages is dismal compared to cultures where tradition plays a much greater role. However as I argued with the sexuality divide, I think that the impact from egalitarian nature of the relationship is only one of many dimensions where the relationships will differ and so no clear conclusion can be drawn from the overall differences in regards to a single dimension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, from what I&#8217;ve read the happiness of Western marriages is dismal compared to cultures where tradition plays a much greater role. However as I argued with the sexuality divide, I think that the impact from egalitarian nature of the relationship is only one of many dimensions where the relationships will differ and so no clear conclusion can be drawn from the overall differences in regards to a single dimension.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477164</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conclusion is "The take-away lesson should simply be that with more equality — and with some breathing room from society’s expectations for our gender — we’re all a lot happier in relationships." should be relatively easy to test.

Male/Female equality is probably greatest in the Western world - in other cultures, the gender divide is greater, so presumably if the conclusion of the study is correct, the level of unhappiness in relationships should be higher.

Have any studies been done on the relativee happiness/longetivity of relationships across cultures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conclusion is &#8220;The take-away lesson should simply be that with more equality — and with some breathing room from society’s expectations for our gender — we’re all a lot happier in relationships.&#8221; should be relatively easy to test.</p>
<p>Male/Female equality is probably greatest in the Western world - in other cultures, the gender divide is greater, so presumably if the conclusion of the study is correct, the level of unhappiness in relationships should be higher.</p>
<p>Have any studies been done on the relativee happiness/longetivity of relationships across cultures?</p>
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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-477002</link>
		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The RAT Institute also ran some studies on long term relationships once. From memory we found high rates of clear understanding between Drill sergeant and recruit, Psychiatrist and committed patient, prison warden and inmate, Factory Boss and line worker, Sex worker and Brothel manager. Many of these relationships were very stable over long lead times even if our grant funds dried up too soon. Please remember the RAT Institute in your will. All donations are tax evadable. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The RAT Institute also ran some studies on long term relationships once. From memory we found high rates of clear understanding between Drill sergeant and recruit, Psychiatrist and committed patient, prison warden and inmate, Factory Boss and line worker, Sex worker and Brothel manager. Many of these relationships were very stable over long lead times even if our grant funds dried up too soon. Please remember the RAT Institute in your will. All donations are tax evadable. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-476985</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the two limitations of this study are the sample size and the fact that there's so little research on same-sex couples - so they're breaking new ground. A larger sample would allow the specification and operationalisation of different variables, which might get us closer to conclusions such as those drawn in the article - testing them that is. 

I don't know that anyone is trying to argue for a 50/50 split - egalitarianism appears to be more about negotiation and communication rather than some mathematical division of labour in this context, I'd have thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the two limitations of this study are the sample size and the fact that there&#8217;s so little research on same-sex couples - so they&#8217;re breaking new ground. A larger sample would allow the specification and operationalisation of different variables, which might get us closer to conclusions such as those drawn in the article - testing them that is. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that anyone is trying to argue for a 50/50 split - egalitarianism appears to be more about negotiation and communication rather than some mathematical division of labour in this context, I&#8217;d have thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Desipis</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-476983</link>
		<dc:creator>Desipis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm surprised the researchers didn't attempt to see if their data supported any of their possibilities, that included. I just see a big push to a one-size-fits-all attitude in defining the 'best' form of relationship, which has the ability to pressure couples into unhappy relationships whether this form is based on a traditional heterosexual model or a perfectly egalitarian split-everything-50-50 model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised the researchers didn&#8217;t attempt to see if their data supported any of their possibilities, that included. I just see a big push to a one-size-fits-all attitude in defining the &#8216;best&#8217; form of relationship, which has the ability to pressure couples into unhappy relationships whether this form is based on a traditional heterosexual model or a perfectly egalitarian split-everything-50-50 model.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-476974</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a fair enough point, Desipis, but it would be a reasonable inference that could be the basis of further research. And there's nothing stopping us discussing whether we think that such a correlation would be found from anecdotal sources or other insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a fair enough point, Desipis, but it would be a reasonable inference that could be the basis of further research. And there&#8217;s nothing stopping us discussing whether we think that such a correlation would be found from anecdotal sources or other insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Desipis</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-476971</link>
		<dc:creator>Desipis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim, 

Thanks for posting that, it was an interesting read.

The conclusions of the study are that homosexual couples in civil unions are 'happier' than heterosexual couples in civil unions. The big point that Feministing makes about the link between happiness and egalitarian relationships is limited to part of one of half a dozen or so &lt;i&gt;possibilities&lt;/i&gt; that the study discussed but did no testing or analysis for.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A second &lt;b&gt;possibility&lt;/b&gt; is that partnering with a person of the same sex is in some way protective or confers unique benefits. &lt;b&gt;For example&lt;/b&gt;, same-sex partners are socialized similarly with respect to gender roles &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; may share more similar communication styles than do heterosexual partners.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The study makes no conclusions in this regard and its disingenuous to use it to support such claims. I'm not saying that such claims are false, just that they aren't supported by this study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, </p>
<p>Thanks for posting that, it was an interesting read.</p>
<p>The conclusions of the study are that homosexual couples in civil unions are &#8216;happier&#8217; than heterosexual couples in civil unions. The big point that Feministing makes about the link between happiness and egalitarian relationships is limited to part of one of half a dozen or so <i>possibilities</i> that the study discussed but did no testing or analysis for.</p>
<blockquote><p>A second <b>possibility</b> is that partnering with a person of the same sex is in some way protective or confers unique benefits. <b>For example</b>, same-sex partners are socialized similarly with respect to gender roles <b>and</b> may share more similar communication styles than do heterosexual partners.</p></blockquote>
<p>The study makes no conclusions in this regard and its disingenuous to use it to support such claims. I&#8217;m not saying that such claims are false, just that they aren&#8217;t supported by this study.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/11/sacred-institution-of-marriage-may-have-something-to-learn-from-same-sex-relationships/#comment-476962</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we let the study speak for itself? I've tracked it down via a database and here is the bit I think is relevant. It's worth noting that Solomon - if you look her up on google scholar - is a co-author of a number of studies done at U Vermont, and it's possible that what she's talking to the reporter about is yet another paper - highly likely, in fact, since the one I found came out in January. I wasn't able to locate anything more recent, but that's not surprising - often universities and journals try to get publicity for new articles/research findings before they're released.

Anyway -

&lt;blockquote&gt;Our second goal was to compare participants by type of couple and sex on relationship quality measures at Time 2. We included these new measures in the Time 2 study to capture some of the nuances of relationship quality and to compare our results with those of other studies of couples. Of interest, we found that same-sex couples reported more positive relationship quality and less conflict than heterosexual married couples on nearly all of the measures included in the study. This result is similar to results found in some prior studies of same-sex couples. For example, Kurdek's (2004) longitudinal research comparing same-sex couples in cohabiting relationships and heterosexual married couples over time used a wide variety of relationship measures, including psychological adjustment, personality traits, relationship styles, conflict resolution, and social support. Kurdek concluded that same-sex couples fared better than heterosexual married couples on 76% of all variables. Gottman et al. (2003), in a study of physiological and behavioral observations of couples in a laboratory, found that same-sex couples showed less negative affect, belligerence, whining, and fear/tension and showed greater affection, humor, and joy/excitement than the heterosexual married couples.

What might account for the finding that same-sex couples are more satisfied with their relationships than heterosexual couples? It is possible that some heterosexual couples may get married and stay married because of social pressure or convention rather than personal choice. Green, Bettinger, and Zacks (1996) argued that married heterosexual couples receive more support from family and society to stay together and may also stay together for religious or traditional values, even if they are unhappy in their relationship. In contrast, without the support of social norms and approval, same-sex couples may be held together by their own will and the work that they put into making the relationship work. Heterosexual married couples in the present sample were much more likely to have children than were same-sex couples, and the presence of children in the household can keep married couples together even when they are unhappy (e.g., Kurdek, 2004).

A second possibility is that partnering with a person of the same sex is in some way protective or confers unique benefits. For example, same-sex partners are socialized similarly with respect to gender roles and may share more similar communication styles than do heterosexual partners. Another possible explanation is a selection bias in our study sample. Although we drew our sample from the entire population of couples in civil unions, it is likely any same-sex couple willing to be a pioneer at the forefront of the same-sex marriage movement, particularly when doing so involves an out-of-state ceremony, was happier and more stable than the average same-sex couple. Along these lines, even the same-sex couples without civil unions who participated were friends of the civil union couples and thus may also have been more satisfied and well-adjusted than most. Finally, it must be considered that these results may have been due to a response bias on the part of the same-sex couples in the study, who were well aware that their relationships were being compared with their heterosexual siblings' relationships. Given the current political context, these couples may have been inclined to present their relationships in the best possible light to avoid perpetuating homophobic stereotypes about same-sex couples.

Other unexpected findings from the study were the sex differences in autonomy and intimacy. It should be noted that these were self-report measures that may have assessed discrepancies between a participant's desired level of autonomy or intimacy and their perceived level. For example, men may have really wanted more autonomy because of their gender role socialization, and thus may have perceived the relationship as being more intimate than a woman would perceive it to be. Conversely, women may wish for more intimacy and thus may view themselves as having more autonomy in their relationship than a man would perceive.

There is also a common assumption that, because women are socialized to be relational, two women in a relationship are at risk for becoming merged or overinvolved with each other (e.g., Krestan &#038; Bepko, 1980), whereas same-sex male couples are overly disengaged. In fact, the research in this area has not shown this to be the case. For example, Schreurs and Buunk (1996) surveyed lesbian couples in the Netherlands on various measures about closeness, including emotional dependency, intimacy, autonomy, equity, social support from others, and participation in the lesbian community. They found that intimacy in lesbian relationships is not related to lack of autonomy and that both emotional dependency and autonomy are associated with relationship satisfaction. Green et al. (1996) compared lesbian, gay male, and heterosexual married couples on measures of cohesion (emotional closeness), flexibility (adaptability), and relationship satisfaction. Lesbian couples scored highest on the measure of cohesion, but gay men scored higher on this measure than did heterosexual married couples. Lesbian couples scored highest on the measure of flexibility, and both lesbian and gay male couples had higher scores on this measure than did heterosexual couples. Cohesion and flexibility were both positively correlated with relationship satisfaction. Thus, further research is needed to understand the complexities of the concepts of autonomy and intimacy.

Another factor to consider is that the majority of the couples in our study who had civil unions had obtained this legislation after being in their current relationship for a considerable time. Thus, they were not the equivalent of newlyweds in a heterosexual relationship; rather, they took advantage of the newly available legislation in Vermont at the first opportunity to do so. Time 1 results (see Solomon et al., 2004) indicated that men and women in same-sex civil unions, as well as those not in civil unions, had been in their current relationship for a considerable time, although not as long as heterosexual married couples. Research on marriage and on same-sex cohabiting couples (Kurdek, 1989) has indicated that relationship satisfaction is higher in couples who have been together longer, and research on heterosexual couples has indicated that couples who cohabited longer before marriage were more likely to divorce (Waite &#038; Gallagher, 2000). For both of these reasons—the fact that same-sex couples had been together for a shorter period of time than heterosexual couples and had also had cohabited longer before being legally able to formalize their relationship—their higher relationship quality is especially striking.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we let the study speak for itself? I&#8217;ve tracked it down via a database and here is the bit I think is relevant. It&#8217;s worth noting that Solomon - if you look her up on google scholar - is a co-author of a number of studies done at U Vermont, and it&#8217;s possible that what she&#8217;s talking to the reporter about is yet another paper - highly likely, in fact, since the one I found came out in January. I wasn&#8217;t able to locate anything more recent, but that&#8217;s not surprising - often universities and journals try to get publicity for new articles/research findings before they&#8217;re released.</p>
<p>Anyway -</p>
<blockquote><p>Our second goal was to compare participants by type of couple and sex on relationship quality measures at Time 2. We included these new measures in the Time 2 study to capture some of the nuances of relationship quality and to compare our results with those of other studies of couples. Of interest, we found that same-sex couples reported more positive relationship quality and less conflict than heterosexual married couples on nearly all of the measures included in the study. This result is similar to results found in some prior studies of same-sex couples. For example, Kurdek&#8217;s (2004) longitudinal research comparing same-sex couples in cohabiting relationships and heterosexual married couples over time used a wide variety of relationship measures, including psychological adjustment, personality traits, relationship styles, conflict resolution, and social support. Kurdek concluded that same-sex couples fared better than heterosexual married couples on 76% of all variables. Gottman et al. (2003), in a study of physiological and behavioral observations of couples in a laboratory, found that same-sex couples showed less negative affect, belligerence, whining, and fear/tension and showed greater affection, humor, and joy/excitement than the heterosexual married couples.</p>
<p>What might account for the finding that same-sex couples are more satisfied with their relationships than heterosexual couples? It is possible that some heterosexual couples may get married and stay married because of social pressure or convention rather than personal choice. Green, Bettinger, and Zacks (1996) argued that married heterosexual couples receive more support from family and society to stay together and may also stay together for religious or traditional values, even if they are unhappy in their relationship. In contrast, without the support of social norms and approval, same-sex couples may be held together by their own will and the work that they put into making the relationship work. Heterosexual married couples in the present sample were much more likely to have children than were same-sex couples, and the presence of children in the household can keep married couples together even when they are unhappy (e.g., Kurdek, 2004).</p>
<p>A second possibility is that partnering with a person of the same sex is in some way protective or confers unique benefits. For example, same-sex partners are socialized similarly with respect to gender roles and may share more similar communication styles than do heterosexual partners. Another possible explanation is a selection bias in our study sample. Although we drew our sample from the entire population of couples in civil unions, it is likely any same-sex couple willing to be a pioneer at the forefront of the same-sex marriage movement, particularly when doing so involves an out-of-state ceremony, was happier and more stable than the average same-sex couple. Along these lines, even the same-sex couples without civil unions who participated were friends of the civil union couples and thus may also have been more satisfied and well-adjusted than most. Finally, it must be considered that these results may have been due to a response bias on the part of the same-sex couples in the study, who were well aware that their relationships were being compared with their heterosexual siblings&#8217; relationships. Given the current political context, these couples may have been inclined to present their relationships in the best possible light to avoid perpetuating homophobic stereotypes about same-sex couples.</p>
<p>Other unexpected findings from the study were the sex differences in autonomy and intimacy. It should be noted that these were self-report measures that may have assessed discrepancies between a participant&#8217;s desired level of autonomy or intimacy and their perceived level. For example, men may have really wanted more autonomy because of their gender role socialization, and thus may have perceived the relationship as being more intimate than a woman would perceive it to be. Conversely, women may wish for more intimacy and thus may view themselves as having more autonomy in their relationship than a man would perceive.</p>
<p>There is also a common assumption that, because women are socialized to be relational, two women in a relationship are at risk for becoming merged or overinvolved with each other (e.g., Krestan &#038; Bepko, 1980), whereas same-sex male couples are overly disengaged. In fact, the research in this area has not shown this to be the case. For example, Schreurs and Buunk (1996) surveyed lesbian couples in the Netherlands on various measures about closeness, including emotional dependency, intimacy, autonomy, equity, social support from others, and participation in the lesbian community. They found that intimacy in lesbian relationships is not related to lack of autonomy and that both emotional dependency and autonomy are associated with relationship satisfaction. Green et al. (1996) compared lesbian, gay male, and heterosexual married couples on measures of cohesion (emotional closeness), flexibility (adaptability), and relationship satisfaction. Lesbian couples scored highest on the measure of cohesion, but gay men scored higher on this measure than did heterosexual married couples. Lesbian couples scored highest on the measure of flexibility, and both lesbian and gay male couples had higher scores on this measure than did heterosexual couples. Cohesion and flexibility were both positively correlated with relationship satisfaction. Thus, further research is needed to understand the complexities of the concepts of autonomy and intimacy.</p>
<p>Another factor to consider is that the majority of the couples in our study who had civil unions had obtained this legislation after being in their current relationship for a considerable time. Thus, they were not the equivalent of newlyweds in a heterosexual relationship; rather, they took advantage of the newly available legislation in Vermont at the first opportunity to do so. Time 1 results (see Solomon et al., 2004) indicated that men and women in same-sex civil unions, as well as those not in civil unions, had been in their current relationship for a considerable time, although not as long as heterosexual married couples. Research on marriage and on same-sex cohabiting couples (Kurdek, 1989) has indicated that relationship satisfaction is higher in couples who have been together longer, and research on heterosexual couples has indicated that couples who cohabited longer before marriage were more likely to divorce (Waite &#038; Gallagher, 2000). For both of these reasons—the fact that same-sex couples had been together for a shorter period of time than heterosexual couples and had also had cohabited longer before being legally able to formalize their relationship—their higher relationship quality is especially striking.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judith Butler 

You are in error.  All, any, none, some, such, can either be singular or plural.

None can mean 'not one' and therefore singular.  Or it can mean 'not any' implying plurality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judith Butler </p>
<p>You are in error.  All, any, none, some, such, can either be singular or plural.</p>
<p>None can mean &#8216;not one&#8217; and therefore singular.  Or it can mean &#8216;not any&#8217; implying plurality.</p>
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		<description>Kim, I don't see anything in that abstract that mentions a comparison of happiness to egalitarianism. The differences between heterosexual and homosexual relationships are much more complex than just gender inequity. To draw such conclusions using the high level outputs from the study is to oversimplify things. Perhaps the actual study measures the correlation between the two while considering other variables, however I see no indication from the article or abstract that it has done so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim, I don&#8217;t see anything in that abstract that mentions a comparison of happiness to egalitarianism. The differences between heterosexual and homosexual relationships are much more complex than just gender inequity. To draw such conclusions using the high level outputs from the study is to oversimplify things. Perhaps the actual study measures the correlation between the two while considering other variables, however I see no indication from the article or abstract that it has done so.</p>
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