Comments on: A Rose by any other name http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/ Blogging politics, culture, sociology and life from Brisvegas Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:59:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478347 Kim Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:04:28 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478347 <b>Update #2</b>: The CMC has <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23871965-1702,00.html" rel="nofollow">dismissed Messenger's claims</a> as old news and already investigated and found to be groundless, and chair Rob Needham has been scathing about whoever leaked Messenger's letter. Messenger denies it was him. Update #2: The CMC has dismissed Messenger’s claims as old news and already investigated and found to be groundless, and chair Rob Needham has been scathing about whoever leaked Messenger’s letter. Messenger denies it was him.

]]> By: Benji http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478234 Benji Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:21:22 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478234 As I understood it, the CMC/Messenger issue was about Rose's instructing electorate officers to destroy documents and fabricate. The "relationship" with Beattie was something the MSM ran with. And Pete seems to protest too much on that side issue... As I understood it, the CMC/Messenger issue was about Rose’s instructing electorate officers to destroy documents and fabricate. The “relationship” with Beattie was something the MSM ran with. And Pete seems to protest too much on that side issue…

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478214 Kim Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:48:49 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478214 Bernard Keane in Crikey looks at the workplace angle: http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20080616-Beattie-Rose-2.html Bernard Keane in Crikey looks at the workplace angle:

http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20080616-Beattie-Rose-2.html

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478155 steve Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:06:51 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478155 Oh Dear, now Messenger is is on about 'contempt of Parliament'. This no doubt was bought on by the suspension of the Independent Member for Nicklin, Peter Wellington for 21 days in the last sittings of the Queensland parliament. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing sometimes. [Mr Messenger says he was duty-bound to pass on the allegations and he will not be bullied. "Peter Beattie should be reminded of the fact that there's such a thing called contempt of Parliament," he said. "Now people who are found guilty of contempt of Parliament when they are deemed to improperly interfere with the free performance of a Member of Parliament, they can face a fine or a jail sentence."] http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/16/2275453.htm http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/view/committees/documents/MEPPC/reports/Report%2090.pdf Oh Dear, now Messenger is is on about ‘contempt of Parliament’. This no doubt was bought on by the suspension of the Independent Member for Nicklin, Peter Wellington for 21 days in the last sittings of the Queensland parliament. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing sometimes.

[Mr Messenger says he was duty-bound to pass on the allegations and he will not be bullied.

“Peter Beattie should be reminded of the fact that there’s such a thing called contempt of Parliament,” he said.

“Now people who are found guilty of contempt of Parliament when they are deemed to improperly interfere with the free performance of a Member of Parliament, they can face a fine or a jail sentence.”]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/16/2275453.htm

http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/view/committees/documents/MEPPC/reports/Report%2090.pdf

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478122 steve Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:24:20 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478122 This whole thing has already been thrown out by the CMC previously and the Member for Burnett is trying to give the impression that one dead plus another reluctant witness who didn't want the matter referred to the CMC, will somehow prove that the affair occurred. This is a dubious proposition which leaves the Member for Burnett not only open to being sued by Beattie and Rose but he could be charged by the CMC with making a false complaint. Not a smart piece of work it would seem. This whole thing has already been thrown out by the CMC previously and the Member for Burnett is trying to give the impression that one dead plus another reluctant witness who didn’t want the matter referred to the CMC, will somehow prove that the affair occurred. This is a dubious proposition which leaves the Member for Burnett not only open to being sued by Beattie and Rose but he could be charged by the CMC with making a false complaint. Not a smart piece of work it would seem.

]]> By: Margo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478121 Margo Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:09:00 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478121 Peter Beattie also finds himself in an awful situation as he can't prove he did of didn't as there simply is no way out for him in this matter. Not many people would like to find themselves in his situation. Not nice at all. Peter Beattie also finds himself in an awful situation as he can’t prove he did of didn’t as there simply is no way out for him in this matter. Not many people would like to find themselves in his situation. Not nice at all.

]]> By: steve http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478103 steve Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:38:29 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478103 It looks as though Messenger might have got this horribly wrong and being another of our well trained Conservative ABC presenters would have known to check his story before making such a serious allegation. He might need deep pockets to pay for this costly error. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/beattie-to-cmc-charge-him/2008/06/15/1213468207130.html It looks as though Messenger might have got this horribly wrong and being another of our well trained Conservative ABC presenters would have known to check his story before making such a serious allegation. He might need deep pockets to pay for this costly error.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/beattie-to-cmc-charge-him/2008/06/15/1213468207130.html

]]> By: Margo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478044 Margo Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:35:15 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478044 Peter Beattie would be better advised maybe, to just ignore the whole saga re the affair. He has said his piece and see what happens now. Dirty work isn't it? Peter Beattie would be better advised maybe, to just ignore the whole saga re the affair. He has said his piece and see what happens now. Dirty work isn’t it?

]]> By: Mark http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478040 Mark Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:26:41 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478040 Text of Peter Beattie's letter of complaint to the CMC: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,20797,23866820-952,00.html Text of Peter Beattie’s letter of complaint to the CMC:

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,20797,23866820-952,00.html

]]> By: Adrien http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478017 Adrien Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:22:30 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478017 I should add that at at Labor branches dominated by the AWU the sausages you are served are always made from the entrails of your closest friends. . By you :) I should add that at at Labor branches dominated by the AWU the sausages you are served are always made from the entrails of your closest friends.
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By you :)

]]> By: Adrien http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478016 Adrien Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:21:15 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478016 <blockquote>And the Dems serve vegetarian, so half complain about the lack of meat and the other half complain that it’s not vegan.</blockquote> Kinda somes up their problems yes. :)

And the Dems serve vegetarian, so half complain about the lack of meat and the other half complain that it’s not vegan.

Kinda somes up their problems yes. :)

]]> By: Darlene http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478009 Darlene Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:50:57 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478009 Political parties are pretty much all the same because people are pretty much the same, or human nature is. I think the gossips amongst us would like to know who that big wig is, Lyn, but we better leave it. The prizes for the raffles are different depending on the party. For the ALP NSW Right, you are guaranteed to win "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Ms Neal and Mr Della Bosca. Political parties are pretty much all the same because people are pretty much the same, or human nature is.

I think the gossips amongst us would like to know who that big wig is, Lyn, but we better leave it.

The prizes for the raffles are different depending on the party. For the ALP NSW Right, you are guaranteed to win “How to Win Friends and Influence People” by Ms Neal and Mr Della Bosca.

]]> By: Darin http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478008 Darin Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:39:15 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478008 ....The other parties are different. They are. Women and the Lib’s meetings have pearls, they serve sausages at the ALP and tofu at the Greens. And the Dems serve vegetarian, so half complain about the lack of meat and the other half complain that it's not vegan. ….The other parties are different. They are. Women and the Lib’s meetings have pearls, they serve sausages at the ALP and tofu at the Greens.

And the Dems serve vegetarian, so half complain about the lack of meat and the other half complain that it’s not vegan.

]]> By: Adrien http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478007 Adrien Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:33:25 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-478007 <blockquote>Years ago I joined the Nats and found them a bunch of liars and fraudsters (some). Never had anything to do with politics again. It did seem if one played their game there was benefits to be gained. Never was i so disgusted.!! Not only that, a big wig tried to get a bit too friendly.</blockquote> The other parties are different. They are. Women and the Lib's meetings have pearls, they serve sausages at the ALP and tofu at the Greens. . Apart from that it's pretty much the same. :)

Years ago I joined the Nats and found them a bunch of liars and fraudsters (some). Never had anything to do with politics again. It did seem if one played their game there was benefits to be gained. Never was i so disgusted.!! Not only that, a big wig tried to get a bit too friendly.

The other parties are different. They are. Women and the Lib’s meetings have pearls, they serve sausages at the ALP and tofu at the Greens.
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Apart from that it’s pretty much the same. :)

]]> By: lyn http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477999 lyn Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:58:18 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477999 It is not as if Ms Rose (due respects to Ms Rose) is a flowering beauty. Nothing like Heather. It would be a thorn in my side if I were Peter Beattie! Years ago I joined the Nats and found them a bunch of liars and fraudsters (some). Never had anything to do with politics again. It did seem if one played their game there was benefits to be gained. Never was i so disgusted.!! Not only that, a big wig tried to get a bit too friendly. It is not as if Ms Rose (due respects to Ms Rose) is a flowering beauty. Nothing like Heather. It would be a thorn in my side if I were Peter Beattie! Years ago I joined the Nats and found them a bunch of liars and fraudsters (some). Never had anything to do with politics again. It did seem if one played their game there was benefits to be gained. Never was i so disgusted.!! Not only that, a big wig tried to get a bit too friendly.

]]> By: DeeCee http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477992 DeeCee Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:36:48 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477992 Hear hear, lyn! I hope he also takes defamation action against Messenger, his informant, the Courier Mail & other media for beating it up! Messenger's timing leads me to assume that things must be going badly for the Nats in their attempts to swallow the Libs, and / or there's a big scandal brewing somewhere, and / or the Nats need leverage for something their big backers want. Why else would the info - allegedly already thoroughly investigated and discredited by the CMC - be sent to the CMC and be "leaked" to the CM now, instead of kept for a more propitious time? BTW - any bets on how long before Piers A does a "Heiner affair" on this too? Hear hear, lyn! I hope he also takes defamation action against Messenger, his informant, the Courier Mail & other media for beating it up!

Messenger’s timing leads me to assume that things must be going badly for the Nats in their attempts to swallow the Libs, and / or there’s a big scandal brewing somewhere, and / or the Nats need leverage for something their big backers want. Why else would the info - allegedly already thoroughly investigated and discredited by the CMC - be sent to the CMC and be “leaked” to the CM now, instead of kept for a more propitious time?

BTW - any bets on how long before Piers A does a “Heiner affair” on this too?

]]> By: lyn http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477977 lyn Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:31:24 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477977 Good, hope Peter Beattie gets on with it and sues good and hard. No wonder Peter and family are in the USA. Good advice would be to stay there and enjoy life too. Come back here and it will be on for young and old. Good, hope Peter Beattie gets on with it and sues good and hard. No wonder Peter and family are in the USA. Good advice would be to stay there and enjoy life too. Come back here and it will be on for young and old.

]]> By: Kim http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477968 Kim Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:13:56 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477968 Beattie has denied the affair and threatened Rob Messenger with legal action: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/beattie-denies-affair/2008/06/15/1213468215284.html?s_cid=rss_news Beattie has denied the affair and threatened Rob Messenger with legal action:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/beattie-denies-affair/2008/06/15/1213468215284.html?s_cid=rss_news

]]> By: Margo http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477940 Margo Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:14:34 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477940 Very interesting! Peter Beattie says he is sick and tired of rumours of an "affair". Just why was Merri Rose jailed then. Must look up details to see. Very interesting! Peter Beattie says he is sick and tired of rumours of an “affair”. Just why was Merri Rose jailed then. Must look up details to see.

]]> By: Hal9000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477924 Hal9000 Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:51:16 +0000 http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/06/13/a-rose-by-any-other-name/#comment-477924 It's by no means clear that either Keane in Crikey nor Messenger actually have anything in the way of evidence other than prurient interest and innuendo. For starters, the deceased former staffer spelt her name Daddow, with a 'w' - something you'd get right if you actually had a document by or about her in your possession. Merri Rose, it should be remembered, finished Bob Gibbs's program to shake up the Queensland racing industry and thereby offended a lot of people with the motives, resources, connections and time to dig up whatever dirt could be found or fabricated to discredit her. She also offended a whole load of dodgy developers by cracking down on real estate scams ('marketeering') as fair trading minister. Her successors in these portfolios have clearly learnt well the lesson - don't actually do anything and you'll be rewarded. Her ministerial tenure also coincided with a rather nasty divorce in which her ex-husband was head of security at Jupiters' casino - and therefore moving in the same circles as the aforesaid embittered racing and developer identities. All this was well-known in Queensland political and meeja circles, but who among the sharks is interested in context when there's blood in the water? It’s by no means clear that either Keane in Crikey nor Messenger actually have anything in the way of evidence other than prurient interest and innuendo. For starters, the deceased former staffer spelt her name Daddow, with a ‘w’ - something you’d get right if you actually had a document by or about her in your possession.

Merri Rose, it should be remembered, finished Bob Gibbs’s program to shake up the Queensland racing industry and thereby offended a lot of people with the motives, resources, connections and time to dig up whatever dirt could be found or fabricated to discredit her. She also offended a whole load of dodgy developers by cracking down on real estate scams (’marketeering’) as fair trading minister. Her successors in these portfolios have clearly learnt well the lesson - don’t actually do anything and you’ll be rewarded.

Her ministerial tenure also coincided with a rather nasty divorce in which her ex-husband was head of security at Jupiters’ casino - and therefore moving in the same circles as the aforesaid embittered racing and developer identities. All this was well-known in Queensland political and meeja circles, but who among the sharks is interested in context when there’s blood in the water?

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